Boneyard Walk of Shame

[whaler11]

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Usually bowl season is filled with people making excuses why some big school lost to Boise or Troy or Western Michigan.

Now people are making excuses why UCF lost... they may have made the big time.

 

[Adios]

Not counting Virginia Tech. Counting teams in the final top 25. Michigan, Syracuse and Northwestern.

Compared to other schools, such as, ahem, Georgia, still unimpressive.

 

[champs99and04]

Compared to other schools, such as, ahem, Georgia, still unimpressive.

Georgia should have been in over Oklahoma.

 

[TerryD]

Compared to other schools, such as, ahem, Georgia, still unimpressive.

2 losses, one by 20 points. Georgia could not get around the game results.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Usually bowl season is filled with people making excuses why some big school lost to Boise or Troy or Western Michigan.

Now people are making excuses why UCF lost... they may have made the big time.

I appear to have stumbled onto a Notre Dame message board. Could you point me towards the UConn message board?

 

[ZooCougar]

"Downtrending"...

From Notre Dame's SID, Michael Bertsch:
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@NDsidBertschy


Most ND Wins Over Any Two-Year Span

1988-89: 24

2017-18: 22

1992-93: 21

1989-90: 21

1973-74: 21



Notre Dame went 22-4 (.846) over the last 2 years -- 4th-best among the Power-5.

Here's where the Irish rank among the Power-5 in other categories the last two seasons:

Final AP Top-25 Wins - 7 (t-4th)

AP Top-25 Wins - 7 (t-4th)

FBS Wins - 22 (5th)

Power 5 Wins - 17 (5th)

The Irish vermin can play whoever they want; unlike most other programs.

 

[uchusky32]

Kind of disappointed that I didn't make the list given how many dumb things I've posted over the years...

What did HawkHusky post? He's on my list.

 

[BlueandOG]

I agree with Whaler that ND is a very good team, one of the best in CF this year. My disagreement is that they were the 4th best and that they do not derive benefit from their mystique. Just the fact that they do not play in a conference adds to the myth of ND. They get a single, separate vote with the P5 and G5 commissioners meet. That is a perception advantage.

UCF is a separate issue. I do not think they deserved to be in the playoff this year. My point is they WILL NEVER be in the playoffs because of their conference and lack of mystique.

 

[J187Money]

- ND was undefeated against a FBS only schedule.
- ND also has "mystique"
- I hate ND
- ND deserved to be in the top 4 given the way the process is
- I'm really happy they lost
- UCF (with MM) might have done better, but they still would have lost. They might have done better without MM, but that isn't the point.
- ND played a much better schedule - so ND should have been ranked ahead of UCF 100% of the time given the same record.
- I'm super happy that both ND and Bama lost.

And btw - OSU and/or Georgia might be a lot better than ND - so beat Purdue, etc. and stop complaining.

 

[Excalibur]

Don't remember any Diaco teams giving up like I saw last year. Poorly game coached, maybe...

You apparently missed games four 4-12 in 2016.

 

[Stainmaster]

You apparently missed games four 4-12 in 2016.

Given how weird things sometimes get during the summer months, I wouldn't be surprised if we have our first Diaco apologist pop up around that time.

 

[Waquoit]

You apparently missed games four 4-12 in 2016.

And you must have missed the November home games this past season. I never saw blatant jogging like that before.

 

[Excalibur]

And you must have missed the November home games this past season. I never saw blatant jogging like that before.

I did. In October and November of 2016, and in late September/Early October 2013. Heck, I remember seeing it against MTSU and Temple in 2001.

 

[uconnfan68]

Usually bowl season is filled with people making excuses why some big school lost to Boise or Troy or Western Michigan.

Now people are making excuses why UCF lost... they may have made the big time.

Well, I was rooting for UCF, strictly as a conference rep. It's called trickle down... ;^)

 

[uconnfan68]

- I hate ND
- I'm really happy they lost
- UCF (with MM) would have done better
- I'm super happy that both ND and Bama lost.

Fixed.

 

[Adios]

We should be glad UCF lost. This would not have been a good year to claim a co-championship. This Trevor Lawrence kid might work wonders for Clemson and the ACC.

 

[Stray_Dog]

LOL back to 13 data points ignoring that Notre Dame doesn’t play an FCS game.

If anyone needs evidence that their bias is absurd.... this is a Boston College fan mad he couldn’t get into Notre Dame who’s last 30 posts are anti-Notre Dame on a UConn board.

If you agree with him.....

I know you keep mentioning the point of the FCS opponent, and it’s fair in some regard but I don’t know any of the universities who finished in the top 10 who played an FCS opponent in the last 25% of their schedule. Usually it’s their first game but have not seen it go to the last part of their schedule. We also know that if you suffer one loss it is much better to do so in the beginning of the season. So comparing a tough 12 game schedule to a scrimmage with a tough 11 game and then (a bonifide game where two ranked teams play and the winner moves on is a bit different)

A diatribe on my personal bias against ND - please skip for those that don’t care:
However, as much as I hate ND, it would have been very interesting if ND lost their first game and then ran the table would they have still gone? A hypothetical question but one that I feel would still have them going...and that is why I know I am biased. But just because I can admit my bias doesn’t mean my dislike for ND is going away. Their history is riddled with exceptions to the rules of many other universities. Perhaps more so than any other program. But it doesn’t mean they are the only ones being shown favoritism through name recognition. So my special dislike for ND lies outside this metric. It is the arrogance of their university. The hypocrisy they prominently display or refuse to display to gain prominence for their school and Not for the Roman Catholic Institution which is what they are First & Foremost! Let them Advertise that for better or worse! It is in this that I find hypocracy, why I am biased -why I am against The Judas U!

Other prominent CFS in the BCS receive the similar advantage, perhaps not as great. It is a part of franchises and of athletes in sports. Super-star athletes in the NBA who could take 4-5 steps and not get called for traveling. There are hundreds of these examples. Ending my point here without citing examples, because I am sure it is easy enough for anyone to do.

 

[whaler11]

I know you keep mentioning the point of the FCS opponent, and it’s fair in some regard but I don’t know any of the universities who finished in the top 10 who played an FCS opponent in the last 25% of their schedule. Usually it’s their first game but have not seen it go to the last part of their schedule. We also know that if you suffer one loss it is much better to do so in the beginning of the season. So comparing a tough 12 game schedule to a scrimmage with a tough 11 game and then (a bonifide game where two ranked teams play and the winner moves on is a bit different)

A diatribe on my personal bias against ND - please skip for those that don’t care:
However, as much as I hate ND, it would have been very interesting if ND lost their first game and then ran the table would they have still gone? A hypothetical question but one that I feel would still have them going...and that is why I know I am biased. But just because I can admit my bias doesn’t mean my dislike for ND is going away. Their history is riddled with exceptions to the rules of many other universities. Perhaps more so than any other program. But it doesn’t mean they are the only ones being shown favoritism through name recognition. So my special dislike for ND lies outside this metric. It is the arrogance of their university. The hypocrisy they prominently display or refuse to display to gain prominence for their school and Not for the Roman Catholic Institution which is what they are First & Foremost! Let them Advertise that for better or worse! It is in this that I find hypocracy, why I am biased -why I am against The Judas U!

Other prominent CFS in the BCS receive the similar advantage, perhaps not as great. It is a part of franchises and of athletes in sports. Super-star athletes in the NBA who could take 4-5 steps and not get called for traveling. There are hundreds of these examples. Ending my point here without citing examples, because I am sure it is easy enough for anyone to do.

Fairly simple.

13 ‘data points’ with an FCS opponent is the same as Notre Dame’s 12 ‘data points’.

2018 13th datapoints

Clemson - The Citadel
UCF - South Carolina State
Georgia - Austin Peay

The only school with a gripe about 13 datapoints was Ohio State. Can we stop pretending that Notre Dame’s 12 is any different than the SEC or AAC.

I don’t think they would have gotten in if they lost to Michigan.

 

[Stray_Dog]

Fairly simple.

13 ‘data points’ with an FCS opponent is the same as Notre Dame’s 12 ‘data points’.

2018 13th datapoints

Clemson - The Citadel
UCF - South Carolina State
Georgia - Austin Peay

The only school with a gripe about 13 datapoints was Ohio State. Can we stop pretending that Notre Dame’s 12 is any different than the SEC or AAC.

I don’t think they would have gotten in if they lost to Michigan.

I understand why you say that when it comes to ranking. However, would you agree that even when playing against an FCS opponent you still have risk of injury. Or when the toughest game of your season comes right before the play-off selection committee. Also for the record I was not opposed to ND going or not going to the play-offs. I don’t think anyone had any doubts that AL and Clemson was going to be the final act on college football for 2018. So we are arguing about who should have finished 3rd or 4th....really makes no difference. It certainly has no impact on the school I watch, UCONN.

I just think you and I are going to disagree on 13 versus 12 games. We will disagree on wether or not this would impact ND going to a play-off. 2018 was not the example of authoritative bias by the selection committee, because I don’t smell enough stink in my mind’s nose for it to be given a smell test. Never mind that we just need a situation to present itself where ND with the schedule of schools they play, are either fairly weak and un-ranked, giving the schools that play the 13th game an advantage or a school which could not have a majority of starters unable to play their FCS opponents and they lose this one game. Then the starters return run the table on ranked opponents and ND goes to the play-offs while other stated school does not.

 

[bc puckett]

Fairly simple.

13 ‘data points’ with an FCS opponent is the same as Notre Dame’s 12 ‘data points’.

2018 13th datapoints

Clemson - The Citadel
UCF - South Carolina State
Georgia - Austin Peay

The only school with a gripe about 13 datapoints was Ohio State. Can we stop pretending that Notre Dame’s 12 is any different than the SEC or AAC.

I don’t think they would have gotten in if they lost to Michigan.

One more time: UCF did not have a "13th data point" in 2018. Their game with UNC was cancelled so they only played 12 games (including the AAC Championship Game)

 

[whaler11]

One more time: UCF did not have a "13th data point" in 2018. Their game with UNC was cancelled so they only played 12 games (including the AAC Championship Game)

Right but everyyear we hear the 13th datapoint nonsense from places that count Savannah State as a datapoint.

 

[whaler11]

I understand why you say that when it comes to ranking. However, would you agree that even when playing against an FCS opponent you still have risk of injury. Or when the toughest game of your season comes right before the play-off selection committee. Also for the record I was not opposed to ND going or not going to the play-offs. I don’t think anyone had any doubts that AL and Clemson was going to be the final act on college football for 2018. So we are arguing about who should have finished 3rd or 4th....really makes no difference. It certainly has no impact on the school I watch, UCONN.

I just think you and I are going to disagree on 13 versus 12 games. We will disagree on wether or not this would impact ND going to a play-off. 2018 was not the example of authoritative bias by the selection committee, because I don’t smell enough stink in my mind’s nose for it to be given a smell test. Never mind that we just need a situation to present itself where ND with the schedule of schools they play, are either fairly weak and un-ranked, giving the schools that play the 13th game an advantage or a school which could not have a majority of starters unable to play their FCS opponents and they lose this one game. Then the starters return run the table on ranked opponents and ND goes to the play-offs while other stated school does not.

Whatever convolted illogical word salad you need to convince yourself that 12-0 Notre Dams shouldn’t be the playoff is cool. This is so looney it can’t even be debates because it makes no sense.

 

[bc puckett]

Right but everyyear we hear the 13th datapoint nonsense from places that count Savannah State as a datapoint.

It's just some stupid term the "committee" invented in 2014 when they needed a way to screw TCU and drop them from #3 to #6 despite winning their last game by 60 points.

The fact that anyone would think a 12-0 ND would not or should not be in the CFP is beyond absurd.

 

[Stray_Dog]

Whatever convolted illogical word salad you need to convince yourself that 12-0 Notre Dams shouldn’t be the playoff is cool. This is so looney it can’t even be debated .

For the record I think for the 2018 - 2019 season ND had as much right or even more to go to the play-offs as tOSU and OU. I do not feel that any school the selection committee had chosen would have upset the final outcome. I feel that ND going was not a bad choice based on their record. I also had in my heart that it was going to be another repeat of AL versus Clemson - no matter who went.

 

[whaler11]

For the record I think for the 2018 - 2019 season ND had as much right or even more to go to the play-offs as tOSU and OU. I do not feel that any school the selection committee had chosen would have upset the final outcome. I feel that ND going was not a bad choice based on their record. I also had in my heart that it was going to be another repeat of AL versus Clemson - no matter who went.

So you agree they deserved to go but were invited for the wrong reasons.

I think I’d wait for them to get invited when they don’t deserve it before I decided it’s biased towards them.

 

[HuskyDogArt]

My 4 cents:
*ND was a very good team, but would not have been in the playoffs without the ND mystique.
*UCF was a very good team, but would never have made the playoffs because they had no conference cred.
*The subjective drama is part of the playoffs, driving website buzz, paying talking heads, and keeping (many) people interested in college football long after their team crapped out.
*UCONN football will be better in 2019 than 2018, but not by much. A low-level bowl against a no-name team will be a triumph for RE 2.0.

You said a low level bowl will be a triumph for UConn? Before that you said that UConn will be better, but not by much. If we get invited to a bowl game we will need to win at least 6 games, after winning 1 game this year, if we win 6 games next year, we will be ALOT BETTER! Right?

 

[HuskyDogArt]

I appear to have stumbled onto a Notre Dame message board. Could you point me towards the UConn message board?

I believe it's called Irishyarders.

 

[whaler11]

Um this is the only time Notre Dame has been invited.

 

[BlueandOG]

You said a low level bowl will be a triumph for UConn? Before that you said that UConn will be better, but not by much. If we get invited to a bowl game we will need to win at least 6 games, after winning 1 game this year, if we win 6 games next year, we will be ALOT BETTER! Right?

Very true...

 

[J187Money]

We should be glad UCF lost. This would not have been a good year to claim a co-championship. This Trevor Lawrence kid might work wonders for Clemson and the ACC.

They wouldn't have claimed one this year. They would have been pissed they didn't get a chance to play for one, but they wouldn't have claimed one over Clemson - who was 15-0.