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Nothing we don't know, but interesting to see the stat in the 3rd tweet:

@EdDaigneault: Because I like numbers, compared Boatright's numbers this year to Napier's last year. They are so close it's scary.

@EdDaigneault: In other words, the issue isn't Boatright. It's that he doesn't have the luxuries around him that Napier had.

@EdDaigneault: Napier had 20+ pts 14 times last year. In 10 of those games, somebody else had at least 14 points. Boat has 8 20+ games, 3x another had 14+
 
Wait, the third tweet kind of contradicts the second. He is saying that Boat does not have the luxuries that Bazz had, but yet in almost half of the games that Boat has had 20, another player has had at least 14.

It's clear that Boat does not have the supporting cast that Bazz had, but it's also clear that Boat is not Bazz, regardless of what the numbers state. There is more to the game than the numbers.
 
joober jones said:
Well it's 71.4% vs 37.5%, which is a pretty significant difference.
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D$ said:
Wait, the third tweet kind of contradicts the second. He is saying that Boat does not have the luxuries that Bazz had, but yet in almost half of the games that Boat has had 20, another player has had at least 14.

It's clear that Boat does not have the supporting cast that Bazz had, but it's also clear that Boat is not Bazz, regardless of what the numbers state. There is more to the game than the numbers.
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Don't worry once you get thru the 3rd grade you'll get it
 
As for scoring it also should be noted that Napier played off the ball for periods at a time and had another guard to pass him the ball.

So who is capable of setting up Boat for scoring opportunities other than himself? Especially when 2 people are defending him and teams focusing on shutting him down ALL the the time. Its amazing he is able to score like he has.
 
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Truth is it's not close. Love Boat, but Bazz by a decent margin.
 
imno1 said:
Don't worry once you get thru the 3rd grade you'll get it
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Does that make you feel better?

Clearly, I can calculate %s, but there are still 11 games left + the tourneys. Let's see what the stats are at the end of the year.
 
D$ said:
Wait, the third tweet kind of contradicts the second. He is saying that Boat does not have the luxuries that Bazz had, but yet in almost half of the games that Boat has had 20, another player has had at least 14.

It's clear that Boat does not have the supporting cast that Bazz had, but it's also clear that Boat is not Bazz, regardless of what the numbers state. There is more to the game than the numbers.
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3/8 = 37.5%
10/14 = 71.4%

Bazz got almost twice as many big performances from his supporting cast.

Yeah, there is more to the game than numbers, which is why I'm more impressed that Boat is basically duplicating Bazz's production. He doesn't have those other weapons. And not only are they not as good right now, they are not nearly as experienced. People talk about the leader making his team mates better. Well honestly, it's hard to think of what Boat can do to make these guys better when some guys are struggling with fundamentals and/or regressing. Napier went to battle with assault rifles at his disposal; Boat is going to battle with pocket knives.

I hope that's the only negative post I make this year, but it was made as a defense for Boat
 
Comparing numbers is a joke. By this method one could argue that Bryce Cotton was better than Shabazz. No.
 
Not surd why they are just counting games where Bazz/Boat scored 20?
Did the second scorer score off a Bazz/Boat assists?
Seems a strange way to compare them.
 
Bazz played with three guys, Boat, Daniels, Giffey, who were or will be invited to NBA summer leagues.
No one under 7ft other than Boat will be invited to any summer camps based on their performances this year, not even DHam.
 
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In an early game an NBA scout summed it up by saying about Boat"he has no help"
Nothing has changed since then. If we had what we had last year in Giffey and Daniels we would be well on our way to the tourney. It's not Boat's fault, they are all over him.
 
8893 said:
Truth is, unless you give Boat a comparable runnin' pardner, it will never be an apples to apples comparison.
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Watch the games last year, when Bazz had it going he was doubled and tripled - jumped off of screens, just like the excuse for Boat - the other team was told to not let him beat you, let someone else. He still delivered all the time at a consistent rate. He is not even close as an athlete as Boat has tremendous ability to the hole, but Bazz had the "it" they speak of and Boat, not always. I agree Boat has less of a support system in place but it's not like they are leaving the others wide open right?

The eye test has Bazz simply because of his consistency but it is surely worth the debate.
 
Something missing in the stats are the intangibles Bazz carried. He's one of the best to ever play the college game.
 
MikeSol12 said:
Something missing in the stats are the intangibles Bazz carried. He's one of the best to ever play the college game.
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Offense aside, Napier was a much better defender than Boat ever was IMO.
 
I think most of us agree that SN was the better player but the numbers are similar and one could wonder what if Ryan had a more productive supporting cast especially considering last years team scored almost 7 ppg more.
Bazz scored 25% of the teams points and averaged 40% of the teams assists last year
Boat scores 26% of the teams points and averages 35% of the teams assists.
Napier was a much better rebounder. Ryan turns it over at a slightly lower rate than Shabazz

And to comment on huskyrob1 post. I think Boatright is the better defender.
 
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nomar said:
Clearly you missed last year's NCAA Tournament. When locked in, Boat's better. What he did to Wilbekin was criminal.
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I guess we can agree to disagree. My thinking was that I never saw Boat pick someones pocket like Napier used to do in the open court almost every game.
 
The difference I see is that Bazz wore a smile and Boat doesn't.
 
huskyrob1 said:
I guess we can agree to disagree. My thinking was that I never saw Boat pick someones pocket like Napier used to do in the open court almost every game.
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That's your argument...?
 
imno1 said:
I think most of us agree that SN was the better player but the numbers are similar and one could wonder what if Ryan had a more productive supporting cast especially considering last years team scored almost 7 ppg more.
Bazz scored 25% of the teams points and averaged 40% of the teams assists last year
Boat scores 26% of the teams points and averages 35% of the teams assists.
Napier was a much better rebounder. Ryan turns it over at a slightly lower rate than Shabazz

And to comment on huskyrob1 post. I think Boatright is the better defender.
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Good points - the TO's though are skewed as Bazz was the man with the ball for 3 years and Boat for one. Obviously Boats assistance, especially last year helped him along but nonetheless he had the ball in his possession mostly for 3 years and was basically Boat for a year with Kemba.
 
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At the start of the season, an awful lot of posters commented that we'll be ok so long as Boat doesn't try to be
Bazz. Now some of are complaining that Boat isn't Bazz. You are right, he's not. If Boat had someone else who could be relied on then Boat could be Boat, scoring when it's there and creating for others when it's not. I think Boat is doing one hell of a job this season. It's not enough, but that's not his fault. We can't win 1 on five.
 
mauconnfan said:
Good points - the TO's though are skewed as Bazz was the man with the ball for 3 years and Boat for one. Obviously Boats assistance, especially last year helped him along but nonetheless he had the ball in his possession mostly for 3 years and was basically Boat for a year with Kemba.
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It was more like a 50-50 split during the probation year. Boat actually finished the year with more assists than Bazz (although he played in two more games, so per game was Bazz 4.6 and Boat 4.4).

I don't think a "who's better" argument is really a fair argument for Boat. The guys who lead us to titles enter rarified air and deservedly so, and unless Boat leads this team back from the dead, he's not going to accomplish that. I think anyone would take Bazz on their Mt. Rushmore (or whatever term you use) ahead of Boat.

But it's also important not to discount Boat's contributions in last year's title on offense (his D was obvious) - he picked Bazz up against St. Joe's (until OT, when Bazz finally stepped up). Florida had the game plan and personnel in place to shut Bazz down and it worked) Seth Davis called it "grown man defense" when we were down 16-4, and Bazz ended the game with only 6 FGA), but DD and Boat stepped up. Bazz's 3 in a Harrison face was probably the key shot of the title game for us, but Boat's step back over Randle was huge, and right after Bazz had a couple sloppy turnovers (not seeing the defender behind him in the backcourt). The drive and dish to DD could have been too, - he was 5-6 in the title game and was a one-man defensive wrecking crew on the last UK possession.

Bazz had his wingmen step up for him. As did Kemba - Lamb against SDSU to take us over the finish line and against Arizona, AO against Butler. Boat had it happen for him at Florida (Purvis with big threes) - he'll just need it more often in March.
 
Boat is not the problem. Not even close. Without him, we probably have single digit wins.
 
Boat has moved himself into the early 2nd round. Has assumed the role of Earl Kelly.
 
Nice to see boat getting some love

@ESPNCBB: One player in CBB to take last shot of game:

Greenberg - Grant, ND
Williams - Boatright, UConn
Bilas - Russell, OSU http://post original url/roHCm5bjIh
 
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