Boat Freed

[upstater]

I know. Gee, I wonder if maybe a school under NCAA penalties for major violations should, I don't know, NOT try and stir **** with the NCAA.

So, you think UConn knew about all this? Highly doubtful.

 

[upstater]

Still no idea who these 'sources' are. Referring to them anonymously is an easy way to make it sound nefarious. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Can't say I can blame a woman for providing for/taking interest in her children's lives even if it's against the NCAA rules.

I would not go that far. Unless the NCAA is lying, it says the source had documentation. What, did the source have bank accounts? Documentation of what? How did the source get a hold of documents? Whatever happened that aspect makes it weird. An ex-boyfriend with documents?

 

[RoderickSpode]

Honestly, we should thank the NCAA. This may have been the kind of event the team needed to get charged up, and now we have the bodies in the backcourt to take advantage of that fire. The run begins tomorrow!!!

 

[upstater]

Honestly, we should thank the NCAA. This may have been the kind of event the team needed to get charged up, and now we have the bodies in the backcourt to take advantage of that fire. The run begins tomorrow!!!

My feeling has been that the NCAA should get out of the way of boosters and agents at this point. I agree with Bilas. But, it has the potential to wreck college sports. This is going to be fuel to the fire and is about to blow into a bigger story, I bet.

 

[zls44]

So, you think UConn knew about all this? Highly doubtful.

No, my point was that it was absurd for people to demand UConn snub the NCAA when they have the Sword of Damocles hanging over the program in the form of a tournament ban.

 

[upstater]

No, my point was that it was absurd for people to demand UConn snub the NCAA when they have the Sword of Damocles hanging over the program in the form of a tournament ban.

I guess I can't figure out what the snub is. I thought you meant the fact they recruited Boatright at all. UConn went along with the NCAA on this one. Really, if the NCAA is going to allow things such as this and Cam Newton, it's time it opened the floodgates. I can understand why Ohio State got into trouble but this kind of thing is surely going on all over the country.

 

[Waquoit]

wow

Epe!

 

[UCHuskies08]

I guess I can't figure out what the snub is. I thought you meant the fact they recruited Boatright at all. UConn went along with the NCAA on this one. Really, if the NCAA is going to allow things such as this and Cam Newton, it's time it opened the floodgates. I can understand why Ohio State got into trouble but this kind of thing is surely going on all over the country.

I think he was referring to the people who were saying "screw the NCAA and play him anyways" or "Calhoun and Herbst should be up in arms about this publicly"

 

[upstater]

I think he was referring to the people who were saying "screw the NCAA and play him anyways" or "Calhoun and Herbst should be up in arms about this publicly"

Got it. I never took that seriously so...

This is just more baggage tossed onto the wagon.

 

[johnhuskies95]

Hey ESPN, his mom received money for car payments. Boatright didn't get a car.

 

[3rdbass]

Uconn needs to be careful recruiting guys with questionable past. We already have enough things to worry about with our past penalties. It really sounds shady with the car payments and all and it is bad UCONN's name had to get dragged into this. Oh well at least RB is back and maybe we can get this season back on track.

 

[zls44]

I think he was referring to the people who were saying "screw the NCAA and play him anyways" or "Calhoun and Herbst should be up in arms about this publicly"

Yes.

Specifically, Chief's cries to Occupy the NCAA Headquarters with burning pitchforks.

 

[DogMania]

Epe!

LOL! I'm suprised that no one asked what epe is.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

LOL! I'm suprised that no one asked what epe is.

Maybe people just sense that it cannot be quantified or captured in any precise way, but it must be embraced and intuited to get a glimpse of its wonder. Either that, or they just thought it was another mistyped word.

 

[DogMania]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but that NCAA release with the immunity crap sound like a way to saving some face in response to the coersion tactics that the was pointed out in that NYT article.

I'm not condoning what RB and his mom might have done, but the way they go about their business and the selectivity of their investigatios and punishments seems draconian.

 

[champs99and04]

Yes.

Specifically, Chief's cries to Occupy the NCAA Headquarters with burning pitchforks.

In that case, I'm more than willing to join him. Just tell me the adress.

 

[DogMania]

Uconn needs to be careful recruiting guys with questionable past. We already have enough things to worry about with our past penalties. It really sounds shady with the car payments and all and it is bad UCONN's name had to get dragged into this. Oh well at least RB is back and maybe we can get this season back on track.

Come on! How would UConn being to investigate every recruit they go after? They've been more careful lately to recruit solid character kids. In this case, they were going hard after Hinds but jumped all over RB when he pulled his WVU verbal off the table.

Unfortuntely it's always going to be some risk when recruiting kids who's families struggle financially since there are far too many out there are more than willing to help them out hoping to cash in later. I'm not saying that's the case here. I don't know what the motives are behind the two parties who gave helped out RB and his mom, or as the NCAA puts it, impropper benfits. I wonder if it's realy impropper if these people also help out kids who aren't prospective student athletes.

With immunity on the table at least this is the end of this.

 

[ctchamps]

My summary: There were questionable payments made to a college players mom from a source that was inappropriate. Said mom confided this with a boyfriend. Said boyfriend got bounced but somehow got records of payments before getting completely tossed. Said boyfriend vindictively reports infractions to NCAA and RB is investigated. UConn decides to keep RB from playing while the NCAA gathers records and does its investigation. The extent of the infractions was partially determined and an agreement to repay the infractions was made. RB gets to play but the NCAA requested more documents prior to his reinstatement. RB's mom hires an attorney and through the attorney hands over bank statements to the NCAA.

The NCAA examines the bank statements and determines that further infractions were committed by Ryan's mom, but Ryan was the least culpable actor in this. They offer him immunity as long as he and his mom cooperate in some unspecified pursuit of allegations. They delay allowing RB to play until they can confirm, after receiving additional records, that RB (who was not culpable in these payments) and his mom had demonstrated cooperation.

Some Commentary: RB was not involved in any further activities besides the money he received from someone (presumably Rose) to get to an AAU game. He served the penalty for this infraction. However in this latest action, the NCAA essentially resorted to extortion with RB's mom to get records for some further action they have in mind (not stated). They frightened her into getting more information, but none of this information was indicative of involving Ryan. They worded the released document that UConn made the decision to hold Ryan the second time.

The university had no choice but to take the most cautious approach. Kudos to the compliance department for the way the handled this affair and minimized the peripheral damage to the program and the university. It is a breath of fresh air from the recent past.

The NCAA was justified in investigating this matter. They might even be justified in the way they approached the investigation. But based on the released document and without more details or questions answered why they did not give RB an immediate release in the second set of infractions, I can only conclude that the NCAA acted heavy handed in this manner and would be reprimanded if this behavior occurred in the judicial system.

 

[jleves]

My summary: There were questionable payments made to a college players mom from a source that was inappropriate. Said mom confided this with a boyfriend. Said boyfriend got bounced but somehow got records of payments before getting completely tossed. Said boyfriend vindictively reports infractions to NCAA and RB is investigated. UConn decides to keep RB from playing while the NCAA gathers records and does its investigation. The extent of the infractions was partially determined and an agreement to repay the infractions was made. RB gets to play but the NCAA requested more documents prior to his reinstatement. RB's mom hires an attorney and through the attorney hands over bank statements to the NCAA.

The NCAA examines the bank statements and determines that further infractions were committed by Ryan's mom, but Ryan was the least culpable actor in this. They offer him immunity as long as he and his mom cooperate in some unspecified pursuit of allegations. They delay allowing RB to play until they can confirm, after receiving additional records, that RB (who was not culpable in these payments) and his mom had demonstrated cooperation.

Some Commentary: RB was not involved in any further activities besides the money he received from someone (presumably Rose) to get to an AAU game. He served the penalty for this infraction. However in this latest action, the NCAA essentially resorted to extortion with RB's mom to get records for some further action they have in mind (not stated). They frightened her into getting more information, but none of this information was indicative of involving Ryan. They worded the released document that UConn made the decision to hold Ryan the second time.

The university had no choice but to take the most cautious approach. Kudos to the compliance department for the way the handled this affair and minimized the peripheral damage to the program and the university. It is a breath of fresh air from the recent past.

The NCAA was justified in investigating this matter. They might even be justified in the way they approached the investigation. But based on the released document and without more details or questions answered why they did not give RB an immediate release in the second set of infractions, I can only conclude that the NCAA acted heavy handed in this manner and would be reprimanded if this behavior occurred in the judicial system.

Funny - I posted almost the same thoughts in another thread. I did leave out the part where the NCAA actually appears to have handled this very well. I'm glad I wasn't on the NCAA is tyring to ruin Boatright and UConn bandwagon.

Actually, it's a pretty horrible position the NCAA is in. If an agent or someone with influence contacts a players family who really needs money, and offers stuff in hopes that the family can apply future direction to a kid - even if he doesn't know about the benefits, what do they do? The kid didn't do anything wrong. But do you really want scenarios like Cam's father offering his services or agents contacting single mothers with financial problems? It's a no win situation for the NCAA.

 

[ctchamps]

Funny - I posted almost the same thoughts in another thread. I did leave out the part where the NCAA actually appears to have handled this very well. I'm glad I wasn't on the NCAA is tyring to ruin Boatright and UConn bandwagon.

Actually, it's a pretty horrible position the NCAA is in. If an agent or someone with influence contacts a players family who really needs money, and offers stuff in hopes that the family can apply future direction to a kid - even if he doesn't know about the benefits, what do they do? The kid didn't do anything wrong. But do you really want scenarios like Cam's father offering his services or agents contacting single mothers with financial problems? It's a no win situation for the NCAA.

The NCAA is in a bind. They lack the ability to punish the perpetrators of these acts - sleazy agents, AAU coaches, hangers on, boosters, and so on. So they resort to threatening only part of the equation. Of course the players and coaches are not innocent. But the system won't change without some outside body determining that the outside influences in these matters deserves punishment.

I didn't join the bandwagon because there was smoke, so there must have been fire. But I don't like the way the NCAA conducts themselves over these matters. They don't disclose everything they examine. They don't have to. So that gives them a lot of leeway in the way they can conduct themselves.

In this RB situation, the source told them about the car payments. They were waiting for Ryan's mom to get them the evidence to support the claim. But they knew in advance that Ryan was innocent of those payments. They put the squeeze on UConn and Ryan's mom to ensure she would comply by using her son as the leverage in these matters. They are justified in trying to keep these matters of sleazy people from getting involved in college players, but the methods they employed in this situation were similar to extortion imo.

 

[huskyharry]

Welcome back Boatshow! Time to make up for lost time and come out on fire tomorrow. Go Huskies, beat the Irish!