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B Vogel said:
Uh, check the stats
Boat last 4 games:
2-8
3-8
2-9
2-8

Hmmmmm

38% on the year shooting
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Stats don't tell the whole story B Vog. Watch and understand basketball. You just witnessed an amazing win and Boatright was a HUGE factor. Statistical evidence fails in comparison to watching a playmaker make plays with your own eyes.
 
Mike Moran said:
Stats don't tell the whole story B Vog. Watch and understand basketball. You just witnessed an amazing win and Boatright was a HUGE factor. Statistical evidence fails in comparison to watching a playmaker make plays with your own eyes.
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Yes. The threat of a second ball-handling playmaker opens things up for everyone. Neither of them get the same penetration or open looks when the other is out. Its a lot easier to key on one guy when you know the others aren't as capable creating off the dribble.
 
Mike Moran said:
Stats don't tell the whole story B Vog. Watch and understand basketball. You just witnessed an amazing win and Boatright was a HUGE factor. Statistical evidence fails in comparison to watching a playmaker make plays with your own eyes.
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Seriously. Our second to last possession, Boat set up Bazz wide open twice, and in between broke down the D to get Kromah the look in the corner (I believe it went Boat to Giff to Kromah - but I could be wrong). Three times he had the ball in his hands, and three times we ended up with good shots.

Bazz had the ball in his hands the last time, and although I think he may have been hurt too badly to make a quick move and the defense pounced on him, we ended up with garbage.

Now imagine if that was reversed - Bazz orchestrating three good shots and Boat dribbling off his own leg into a trap and flailing around before putting up a brick. We'd be killing Boat here.
 
Gurleyman said:
Seriously. Our second to last possession, Boat set up Bazz wide open twice, and in between broke down the D to get Kromah the look in the corner (I believe it went Boat to Giff to Kromah - but I could be wrong). Three times he had the ball in his hands, and three times we ended up with good shots.

Bazz had the ball in his hands the last time, and although I think he may have been hurt too badly to make a quick move and the defense pounced on him, we ended up with garbage.

Now imagine if that was reversed - Bazz orchestrating three good shots and Boat dribbling off his own leg into a trap and flailing around before putting up a brick. We'd be killing Boat here.
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I watched that play a few times in my DVR. I am not sure though if it's a credit to Bazz's brilliance or Boat's penetration because he is practically still on the 3pt line, and Bazz is 4 or 5 feet outside 3 pt line.
 
HailUConn said:
I watched that play a few times in my DVR. I am not sure though if it's a credit to Bazz's brilliance or Boat's penetration because he is practically still on the 3pt line, and Bazz is 4 or 5 feet outside 3 pt line.
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On the shot he made, Boat threw him a clever no-look bounce pass going across his body that the D didn't read quickly enough. That shot was well within Bazz range (he's won games from 30 feet before), and he was able to step into the shot. Can't ask for a better look at a tying three.

On the first one, it just looked like a simple kick out when Boat got into the seam of the 1-3-1 and found Bazz on the wing. Florida misplayed that one leaving Bazz open, but got away with it.
 
Two players combining for 21 points on a soon-to-be top 10 team that averages 78 ppg is just a not good. Omar played some good D tonight. Drew that charge, if you recall.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
i'm sorry my opinion means that much to you.what does boat do well? i'd like you to tell me. if you cant see for yourself the problems with calhoun then i can't help you.
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Boat plays great defense. He is great from stopping penetration. He did a great job on the Florida pt gd when Napier was struggling to stay in front of him.

I do agree a little bit about oc. I think he should be coming off the bench to give us a shooter. If he is hot let him play if not go to NG and LK. OC is painful see dribble or pass the ball.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
i'm sorry my opinion means that much to you.what does boat do well? i'd like you to tell me. if you cant see for yourself the problems with calhoun then i can't help you.
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Can you beat Boat 1-1?
 
I think it's unfortunate that a post like this even exits on the board after a great game like the one we just saw. I could see discussing the flaws in their games, or lamenting things about their performance, and at first I thought the OP was making a funny. When I realized he was actually serious, I was sad. Sad that someone even thinks to post drivel like that during an exciting game that was nerve wracking, but ultimately very satisfying.

And btw, Giff got 22 minutes to Omar's 15. Clearly Ollie is seeing the value of having Giff on the court. Even Kromah and Brimah got more minutes (17 ea) than Omar. Guess what though - first, his family reads the board (Omar's). Second, the kid's in a funk, and it appears his minutes are diminishing. Third, what he or his family probably needs to read is how much the UCONN family (because yes, we portray ourselves as a family to recruits) is rooting for Omar, and supporting him during his struggles, because I guarantee you no one is as frustrated or upset at his performances as Omar is...

I'm actually embarrassed the OP is a UCONN fan. IMHO no one who is a "husky for life" would post something like that about a player who is struggling. No one.
 
3rdbass said:
Boat plays great defense. He is great from stopping penetration. He did a great job on the Florida pt gd when Napier was struggling to stay in front of him.

I do agree a little bit about oc. I think he should be coming off the bench to give us a shooter. If he is hot let him play if not go to no and lk. Oc is painful see dribble or pass the ball.
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thank you for actual insight. i wouldn't say he plays "great" defense, he plays decent defense when he gets to play defense on other pgs, when he plays defense on sg not so much.
 
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Boat has been playing a great floor game, he still gets caught up in the moment with the dribbling displays every now and then but he's been much better at directing the offense this year. That being said, I would like to see him score a bit more, and efficiently while doing so. I think he can still be a 14ppg dynamic scorer while still getting everyone involved, him and Omar picking up their offense will probably eliminate the need for the 1-2 pt wins. Its still early, it will come.
 
Huskyforlife said:
and i can judge boatright and say he's not playing well
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Right. But when I say your are a , I'm right and when you judge them, you are wrong. And a
 
UCONNfan1 said:
I think it's unfortunate that a post like this even exits on the board after a great game like the one we just saw. I could see discussing the flaws in their games, or lamenting things about their performance, and at first I thought the OP was making a funny. When I realized he was actually serious, I was sad. Sad that someone even thinks to post drivel like that during an exciting game that was nerve wracking, but ultimately very satisfying.

And btw, Giff got 22 minutes to Omar's 15. Clearly Ollie is seeing the value of having Giff on the court. Even Kromah and Brimah got more minutes (17 ea) than Omar. Guess what though - first, his family reads the board (Omar's). Second, the kid's in a funk, and it appears his minutes are diminishing. Third, what he or his family probably needs to read is how much the UCONN family (because yes, we portray ourselves as a family to recruits) is rooting for Omar, and supporting him during his struggles.
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If someone in the Calhoun family could just check the likes to posts ratio, they'll get a sense for whether someone is capturing the true mood of the Boneyard or is just a lone hyena.

I'm not surprised Omar is having some early season inconsistencies. He was idle for a long time after surgery, and basketball - shooting in particular - can be largely about rhythm and feel. We know he's capable of being a big time scorer against big time defenses and can hit big shots. It's a long season, so if he's off his game now, no worries. We'll need him to get his rhythm back, because Giffey isn't going to shoot 70 percent from three all season, and Omar does some things well that Giffey can't do. If there's a guy on the other team who can't fight around screens and/or defend off the dribble at the 3, we'll want Omar exploiting that.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
and i can judge boatright and say he's not playing well
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You said he's "not a good player". Huge difference. Starting threads in the middle of games is completely moronic. If you want to post your asinine thoughts during a game, do it in the game thread where they'll get buried.
 
Huskyforlife isn't a troll - there are worse posters here than him. That being said, this is a dumb thread. Top ten teams don't start bad players. Omar is struggling right now, but at least he doesn't continually force the issue to the detriment of the team like say, Finney-Smith of Florida, who committed six turnovers in 24 minutes tonight. Let's not forget that the kid is still recovering from hip surgery, and even if he's medically cleared, it can take a while to mentally distance yourself from the injury.

As for Boatright, the kid is averaging four assists a game from the two guard position - that's impressive. If Shabazz was not on the roster, I have no doubt he could average upwards of six assists while keeping his turnover rate down. He's still got a ways to go defensively (I seem to recall him getting picked off on an off-ball screen late in the game, but I'd have to check the tape to be sure), but he's progressed quite a bit from where he was last season. If I'm disappointed in one facet of Boatright's game, it's his mid-range game. It's his junior year, and he's an undersized point guard with NBA aspirations. That thing needs to be automatic for him to have any shot, and it isn't even above average at this point. That's what's separating him from being a decent player and a poor man's Kemba.
 
Boat is showing an excellent degree of control throughout the game, compared to previous seasons. Statistically, he isn't getting the results percentage-wize that he would like to see, but I think it will all come together for him. He busted his butt to get around screens chasing Frazier at the end of the game, likely preventing a couple of key threes. I would love to see him come back next year and put it all together.

Omar made a mature decision with the ball when he didn't force out what would have been a contested pass but had patience and gained a little space and drained a long 2-pointer from the corner. Then next play on defense he got great position and drew a charge on Prather. The next 4 plays were all negative ones but Omar is our future. To be a contender this year, we need him to put it all together. He has the tools but just needs to get some positive reinforcement from things starting to go his way on the court.
 
Huskyforlife said:
i never said i gave up on him, right now he is not a good player
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Actually you did not say right now. You made a definitive statement that they are not good players. Too many people here take a snapshot of time, one game, a couple of games and in some cases one or two plays and dismiss the entire body of work of the player and their future play. It is stupid and short sighted. If you were to say Calhoun is not playing very well right now, that he needs to get his confidence back and work on his passing, and dribbling, that is one thing. To just completely dismiss them as bad players is wrong. We have seen both these players play very well and we shall again. But to dismiss them completely as bad players shows no memory or recognition of their abilities and basketball in general. Daniels was being killed earlier this year in much the same way. Bazz in past years has also been the brunt of such comments. It is really stupid to hold such animosity for players on a college team that you profess to be a fan of. Its not like they can be traded, and its not like they won't be needed at various points this year. Recognize their faults, recognize and discuss how they are playing, but also recognize that it is just a snapshot and basketball games and seasons are fluid with players success flowing and changing over a course of that season. Also what happens is with statements like that people become invested in their point of views and then start missing the good things the players are doing as it doesn't fit with their assessments. So last night Calhoun improved his defensive work, got a couple of rebounds and even an assist in 15 minutes. Not great but he is working on other aspects of his game while working through his shooting slump. Boatright had 4 assists and was 2 for 3 from three point range. Neither are great performances but neither are they evidence of bad players.
 
Huskyforlife said:
i'm sorry my opinion means that much to you.what does boat do well? i'd like you to tell me. if you cant see for yourself the problems with calhoun then i can't help you.
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Calhoun had surgery on his hips, right now he's a spot up shooter, he's a sophomore, he's in a funk. Boatrights shot isn't falling hes attacking the basket he's playing aggressive d and running the offense. You come on here not giving any reason for your comment bc you just want attention and get the reactions you're getting. That's being a pest/troll. Also we're 8-0 with a lack of a front court
 
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