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Blue Blood - does Florida qualify?

bendm said:
So chips post 1975 or 1985 are all that matter? That logic doesn’t support your top 10 ranking
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What? You brought up that Michigan lost a bunch of title games. I responded you must be a Bills fan.

It's crazy to have Michigan over Villanova.
 
superjohn said:
What? You brought up that Michigan lost a bunch of title games. I responded you must be a Bills fan.

It's crazy to have Michigan over Villanova.
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I brought up the fact that Michigan has made six finals and has 1 chip and you dismissed that as compared to Novas 3 finals and 3 chips. Therefore You seemed to imply that only winning the championship matters but That would be inconsistent with your ranking and your statement that Duke has a bunch of final fours, so please set the record straight. I give the most weight to winning chips of course but making deep tourney runs is also worth something. So What value are you assigning chips versus making the final four in your rankings?
 
superjohn said:
What? You brought up that Michigan lost a bunch of title games. I responded you must be a Bills fan.

It's crazy to have Michigan over Villanova.
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Not even close. Nova has one of the most iconic NC's in tourney history, a total of 3. Had multiple eras of very good hoops, finished with Jay Wright's run. They're still on the outside.

The most debateable blue blood to me, is UCLA. It's really how much weight an epic run in the 70s is worth, John Wooden, bags of cash, Lou Alcindor.

MSU, Indiana, Nova, Ville, Florida, are all on the outside. Any one of them could be very much in the convo with a title anytime soon.
 
bendm said:
I brought up the fact that Michigan has made six finals and has 1 chip and you dismissed that as compared to Novas 3 finals and 3 chips. Therefore You seemed to imply that only winning the championship matters but That would be inconsistent with your ranking and your statement that Duke has a bunch of final fours, so please set the record straight. I give the most weight to winning chips of course but making deep tourney runs is also worth something. So What value are you assigning chips versus making the final four in your rankings?
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Again, what? I have Duke ranked below UConn.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Not even close
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Hyperbole. You can see the numeric values assigned to each round of the tourney. It’s based on the Fibonacci sequence where the 2 proceeding numbers equal the next, starting with 1. You seem to agree with the top 10 but take great exception to 11 versus 12. That seems subjective.
 
superjohn said:
They're not all that matters but they matter way more than anything else.

Having Michigan over Nova is ridiculous.
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I did value them more than anything else. But Ok So you’re arguing with the value Ive assigned to winning in each round. Winning a game in the tournament gets progressively harder with each round so the Fibonacci sequence is fitting. How would you assign the values so chips are worth even more? Would you double the value for each successive round? I don’t think it’s twice as hard to win in each successive game but I wouldn’t call you ridiculous for thinking it. But it is kinda ridiculous to say that to someone else with nothing more than a subjective top 10 to back it up.
 
Only thing I have to add is that Duke was anointed Blue Blood almost immediately after winning three or four without much debate. Their history is only 8 years more than ours (yes, they had some final fours before that). Their first in 91, our first in 99. And their last is 8 years older than our last. Just saying they don't have some UNC, UCLA, Kentucky history to them.
 
jleves said:
Only thing I have to add is that Duke was anointed Blue Blood almost immediately after winning three or four without much debate. Their history is only 8 years more than ours (yes, they had some final fours before that). Their first in 91, our first in 99. And their last is 8 years older than our last. Just saying they don't have some UNC, UCLA, Kentucky history to them.
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Duke should rename their arena to Dick Vitale Indoor stadium
 
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bendm said:
I did value them more than anything else. But Ok So you’re arguing with the value Ive assigned to winning in each round. Winning a game in the tournament gets progressively harder with each round so the Fibonacci sequence is fitting. How would you assign the values so chips are worth even more? Would you double the value for each successive round? I don’t think it’s twice as hard to win in each successive game but I wouldn’t call you ridiculous for thinking it. But it is kinda ridiculous to say that to someone else with nothing more than a subjective top 10 to back it up.
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Your chart is ridiculous and is no way objective.

I didn't call you ridiculous. I called it ridiculous putting Michigan over Villanova.
 
superjohn said:
Your chart is ridiculous and is no way objective.

I didn't call you ridiculous. I called it ridiculous putting Michigan over Villanova.
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Ya hear that everyone? Just defer to the top 10 superjohn scribbled on the back of a napkin based on the values he assigned using the superjohn sequence. All 100% objective and mathematically sound.
 
bendm said:
Ya hear that everyone? Just defer to the top 10 superjohn scribbled on the back of a napkin and the values he assigned using the superjohn sequence. All 100% objective and mathematically sound.
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Learn the difference between objective and subjective.
 
superjohn said:
Your chart is ridiculous and is no way objective.

I didn't call you ridiculous. I called it ridiculous putting Michigan over Villanova.
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I don't think it's ridiculous, but I would like to see it be 1,2,4,8,16,32. Isn't a championship at least double the worth of a final four?

I'd also like to see it from 1985 when the tourney went to 64.
 
jleves said:
I don't think it's ridiculous, but I would like to see it be 1,2,4,8,16,32. Isn't a championship at least double the worth of a final four?

I'd also like to see it from 1985 when the tourney went to 64.
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I think putting a numerical value to a national championship is silly.
 
superjohn said:
I think putting a numerical value to a national championship is silly.
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OK, understood it's arbitrary, but is there a better way to rank teams?

We all (well probably most) want to rank things.
 
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Scrutineer said:
Noah and Horford both had wealthy athlete fathers. One of the others was well off too, as I recall, but I'm not sure who it was and I'm too lazy to research it right now.
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Wasn’t one of that Florida teams guards named Green? I think he was the son of Sydney Green, who played for UNLV and then in the NBA. Noah’s father was Yannick Noah, a top 5 French tennis player. Don’t recall about Horford,
 
businesslawyer said:
Wasn’t one of that Florida teams guards named Green? I think he was the son of Sydney Green, who played for UNLV and then in the NBA. Noah’s father was Yannick Noah, a top 5 French tennis player. Don’t recall about Horford,
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Taurean Green, yes son of Sidney Green. Horford’s dad was in the league too.
 
jleves said:
OK, understood it's arbitrary, but is there a better way to rank teams?

We all (well probably most) want to rank things.
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The best way is by championships, that's how it's done in every other sport. It makes sense to factor in the 64 team era and the ones before it but championships should always be the standard in sports.
 
superjohn said:
The best way is by championships, that's how it's done in every other sport. It makes sense to factor in the 64 team era and the ones before it but championships should always be the standard in sports.
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And therein lies the question doesn’t it? how much are you factoring those things in, i.e., what are they worth. You say it’s silly to assign values but won’t explain how exactly you divine your rankings. That’s exactly the problem with the blue blood convo it’s always been based on perception.
 
businesslawyer said:
Wasn’t one of that Florida teams guards named Green? I think he was the son of Sydney Green, who played for UNLV and then in the NBA. Noah’s father was Yannick Noah, a top 5 French tennis player. Don’t recall about Horford,
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Tito Horford. He played a little bit in the NBA and then overseas.
 
bendm said:
And therein lies the question doesn’t it? how much are you factoring those things in, i.e., what are they worth.
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Do people judge MLB franchises or NBA franchises historically based on making the playoffs or winning a round?

Where would Syracuse be in relation to UConn in your eyes/using your chart before 2023 or before 2014?
 
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superjohn said:
I think putting a numerical value to a national championship is silly.
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A NC should be worth well more than double being in a final. There is plenty if subjectivity to this or else it wouldn’t be such a debate. Very few runner ups are remembered.

You could argue so many metrics into this. Quality of NC. Dominance. Recency. B2B.
 
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