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nomar said:
Exactly. It only came to a head now after and because the chronic underperformance snowballed over the years. One title from dozens of NBA players.
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For your "good recruiter, bad coach" theory to be correct, you would have to be smarter than Devin Booker, Lamar Murray, and the rest of the NBA superstars that played for Calipari. Do you really think you know more about basketball than ALL of those Kentucky players, and their entourages, over the last 15 years? Or were they making a simple financial decision by taking the cash from a coach they knew sucked because he was the only one offering them a big bag of cash?
 
You would think that they hired away John Wooden in his prime from UCLA by the way they are rejoicing.
 
Getting top recruits to commit to UK doesn't mean you are a good recruiter. Failing to do so would show you suck.

Squid's advantage to a major hit with the advent of the portal-NIL combo. He is a terrible in-game coach, and his recruiting advance was reduced. I think he will flame out in Arkansas by year 5.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
For your "good recruiter, bad coach" theory to be correct, you would have to be smarter than Devin Booker, Lamar Murray, and the rest of the NBA superstars that played for Calipari. Do you really think you know more about basketball than ALL of those Kentucky players, and their entourages, over the last 15 years? Or were they making a simple financial decision by taking the cash from a coach they knew sucked because he was the only one offering them a big bag of cash?
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Do you think anyone following this exchange hasn't realized that you keep failing to explain why Calipari continued to bring in top-50 recruits after NIL allowed everyone to throw bags of cash at players?

Also, there was always dirty recruiting, and Calipari's special sauce wasn't promising cash, it was the promise of NBA riches. That's why he's kept luring in 5* star recruits. This is pretty obvious to everyone, even Lamar Murray.
 
nomar said:
Do you think anyone following this exchange hasn't realized that you keep failing to explain why Calipari continued to bring in top-50 recruits after NIL allowed everyone to throw bags of cash at players?

Also, there was always dirty recruiting, and Calipari's special sauce wasn't promising cash, it was the promise of NBA riches. That's why he's kept luring in 5* star recruits. This is pretty obvious to everyone, even Lamar Murray.
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What was special about Calipari promising NBA riches that weren’t his? Every coach could promise that. Calipari was getting 4 and 5 a class. I don’t know if you have ever watched a basketball game, but it is played with only one ball. Most of those players would have been better off going somewhere where they could get 20 shots a game, but they went to Kentucky anyway, because they were going to get paid, a lot.
 
As for you demanding I explain Calipari’s stupid recruiting strategy, I already have. He sucks as a coach. He is at one of the biggest programs with what is likely one of the biggest NIL budgets, and he keeps blowing it. That is why he just got run off. Are you having trouble wrapping your head around this?
 
Not sure if this has been posted, but it's got a lot of interesting tidbits including some people watching flight plans to identify from where the private jets are coming into and out of Lexington.

Also a quote that Kentucky is prepared to make Hurley the HIGHEST PAID COLLEGE COACH IN ANY SPORT if he initially turns them down.

Kentucky Coaching Search Update: Eyes on the Sky
 
nelsonmuntz said:
As for you demanding I explain Calipari’s stupid recruiting strategy, I already have. He sucks as a coach. He is at one of the biggest programs with what is likely one of the biggest NIL budgets, and he keeps blowing it. That is why he just got run off. Are you having trouble wrapping your head around this?
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You’re having trouble wrapping your head around the fact that you can be both (a) good at attracting the consensus top recruits and (b) bad at winning with them. Which is clearly the case with Calipari and I have no idea why you can’t concede that so we can move on.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
What was special about Calipari promising NBA riches that weren’t his? Every coach could promise that. Calipari was getting 4 and 5 a class. I don’t know if you have ever watched a basketball game, but it is played with only one ball. Most of those players would have been better off going somewhere where they could get 20 shots a game, but they went to Kentucky anyway, because they were going to get paid, a lot.
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Jesus. UK’s been an NBA factory. There are 28 UK players currently on NBA rosters and 13 are making between $8M and $41M a year. And all of them played on a team where there were numerous 5* recruits and only one ball. Calipari is a master salesman; while he strikes me as sleazy, his sales pitch has always worked and he’s been able to deliver in the sense he’s put more guys in the NBA than anyone else.

If you want to keep insisting he’s not good at pitching recruits and their families and instead landed top classes because his boosters paid more, by all means keep showing off the fact that you haven’t been paying attention over the past 15 years. And haven’t been paying attention over the past couple years when he’s continued to land great classes (and underperform with them) despite the sea change effected by NIL.

I mean, you couldn’t be more wrong about any of this, except for the fact he hasn’t won enough, which is why he’s going to Arkansas.
 
nomar said:
You’re having trouble wrapping your head around the fact that you can be both (a) good at attracting the consensus top recruits and (b) bad at winning with them. Which is clearly the case with Calipari and I have no idea why you can’t concede that so we can move on.
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P.s. Also, I’ve explained repeatedly the difference between “recruiting” and “roster construction.” Now you’re trying to blur the lines by using the term “recruiting strategy.” The fact remains that when Calipari recruits a kid, he’s better than anyone at landing him. Not a controversial point, you’re just stubborn as a mule.
 
nomar said:
Jesus. UK’s been an NBA factory. There are 28 UK players currently on NBA rosters and 13 are making between $8M and $41M a year. And all of them played on a team where there were numerous 5* recruits and only one ball. Calipari is a master salesman; while he strikes me as sleazy, his sales pitch has always worked and he’s been able to deliver in the sense he’s put more guys in the NBA than anyone else.

If you want to keep insisting he’s not good at pitching recruits and their families and instead landed top classes because his boosters paid more, by all means keep showing off the fact that you haven’t been paying attention over the past 15 years. And haven’t been paying attention over the past couple years when he’s continued to land great classes (and underperform with them) despite the sea change effected by NIL.

I mean, you couldn’t be more wrong about any of this, except for the fact he hasn’t won enough, which is why he’s going to Arkansas.
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Cal has continued to recruit in the NIL era, but he may still have the biggest war chest in the game. Prior to NIL, World Wide Wes delivered him player after player and everyone turned a blind eye to it. His recruiting talent was just as much about getting illegal resources as it was about talking to players. He was able to use his relationship with WWW to cheat brazenly. Major publications wrote articles about it, yet no one would stop it. That tells me Cal and UK made relationships at the NCAA that allowed him to cheat. They didn’t try to figure out what he was doing. His talent is talking his way in and out of situations. He’s a mediocre coach but a hell of a smooth talker. If you worked with him in a corporate setting, he’d be the guy always eating lunch and playing golf with the executives and falling into promotion after promotion while producing no actual work.
 
Hoophound said:
Cal has continued to recruit in the NIL era, but he may still have the biggest war chest in the game. Prior to NIL, World Wide Wes delivered him player after player and everyone turned a blind eye to it. His recruiting talent was just as much about getting illegal resources as it was about talking to players. He was able to use his relationship with WWW to cheat brazenly. Major publications wrote articles about it, yet no one would stop it. That tells me Cal and UK made relationships at the NCAA that allowed him to cheat. They didn’t try to figure out what he was doing. His talent is talking his way in and out of situations. He’s a mediocre coach but a hell of a smooth talker.
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He is wrong be because he’s pretending that cheating is the sole reason for Calipari landing high level recruits. I can’t imagine you agree Calipari’s not a good recruiter. Did he have success before and after WWW? Did WWW have a hand in the majority of the guys? Nobody is denying Calipari has always been sleazy. He had a title vacated before he even met WWW.
 
nomar said:
He is wrong be because he’s pretending that cheating is the sole reason for Calipari landing high level recruits. I can’t imagine you agree Calipari’s not a good recruiter. Did he have success before and after WWW? Did WWW have a hand in the majority of the guys? Nobody is denying Calipari has always been sleazy. He had a title vacated before he even met WWW.
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Fair enough. He can definitely work a room. That certainly helps in recruiting. I do agree with Nelson that the cheating was a leading factor though. He’s been cheating all the way back to Camby and Co. It’s hard to decipher just how good a recruiter he’d be without all of that dirty money behind him. Still, he’s a smooth talker and that lends itself to recruiting.
 
Hoophound said:
Fair enough. He can definitely work a room. That certainly helps in recruiting. I do agree with Nelson that the cheating was a leading factor though. He’s been cheating all the way back to Camby and Co. It’s hard to decipher just how good a recruiter he’d be without all of that dirty money behind him. Still, he’s a smooth talker and that lends itself to recruiting.
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He was well known as a cheater well before Camby. In fact, his first major one was stealing Jerome Lane from Villanova and getting him to flip to Pittsburgh. That's why Calhoun couldn't stand him nor could any other Big East coach.
Bill Bayno was the guy who got Camby and around the same time there was a Connecticut AAU guy who helped with other recruits and Worldwide Wes made him a star at Memphis.
 
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All of Calipari’s accomplishments prior to Kentucky were vacated, and the only reason that didn’t happen in Kentucky is because that program is untouchable. It is amazing some posters on a UConn board continue to argue he wasn’t a cheater.
 
Seriously, if Donovan declines as well, who is left for UK to offer? I mean besides Kenny Payne.
 
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How many coaches will turn down Kentucky.? It’s quite entertaining

Maybe they bring back Pitino for a few years to get back on track. If he wasn’t 70 I’m sure he would be the guy. He speaks fondly of his time there
 
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