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nomar said:
FYI this INANE post is being repeatedly posted on the UK message board, so thanks for making us look like the classless fans.

Did you just wake up from a coma? They’ve had 9,000 black players since then.
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It’s amazing how little knowledge of history some people have. There were few I’d any black players in the SEC in the 50s and 60s. Kentucky had its first in 1971.
 
nomar said:
Saying Calipari is a good recruiter (and nothing more)
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Calipari was good at paying players lots of money, which gave him a huge advantage as a coach for over 30 years when other programs couldn't and wouldn't do the same. That is not being a good recruiter.
 
freescooter said:
It’s amazing how little knowledge of history some people have. There were few I’d any black players in the SEC in the 50s and 60s. Kentucky had its first in 1971.
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Yeah everybody knows that. I also know about the Civil War. Do you think nobody should agree to coach Kentucky in 2024 because of what happened 60 years ago? Keep up with the conversation.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Calipari was good at paying players lots of money, which gave him a huge advantage as a coach for over 30 years when other programs couldn't and wouldn't do the same. That is not being a good recruiter.
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We already had this conversation and you never had an answer for why he continued to bring in good classes after the rules changed. The incoming class (which will obviously change) is ranked #2 by 247.

He brings in good players. He just doesn’t do much with them. Interested to see what happens at Arkansas. Maybe it’ll force him to coach more.
 
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nomar said:
Yeah everybody knows that. I also know about the Civil War. Do you think nobody should agree to coach Kentucky in 2024 because of what happened 60 years ago? Keep up with the conversation.
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It's bizarre, next they'll be talking about The Middle Passage.
 
nomar said:
Saying Calipari is a good recruiter (and nothing more) and that Uk fans don’t spit on black players makes me pro-UK? OK dude.

I haven’t rooted for Kentucky in a game since the one Laettner beat them in. But you do you.
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Wait… but who did you root for in 96?
 
It's interesting to read the Kentucky posters. Saying UConn has no fans, it's a basketball program built up by ESPN, and wondering how in the world UConn can win 6 titles in 25 years with our facilities. They can't fathom why Hurley would stay here and believe that UConn is not anywhere near the basketball school that Kentucky is even nowadays. They are filling Hurley's twitter page begging him to come to UK. It's actually quite humerous.
 
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nomar said:
We already had this conversation and you never had an answer for why he continued to bring in good classes after the rules changed. The incoming class (which will obviously change) is ranked #2 by 247.

He brings in good players. He just doesn’t do much with them. Interested to see what happens at Arkansas. Maybe it’ll force him to coach more.
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Best ranked class in the history of classes, or whatever, still got bounced by a low major in the first round, AGAIN. I think you should call Kentucky and start an investigation into how a guy that is 45 and looks like he should be working 12 hour days right now since it is tax season still has eligibility to hit all those threes against Kentucky for a school called "Oakland" that is not even in California!

Maybe recruiting rankings are not as important as you would like them to be.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Best ranked class in the history of classes, or whatever, still got bounced by a low major in the first round, AGAIN. I think you should call Kentucky and start an investigation into how a guy that is 45 and looks like he should be working 12 hour days right now since it is tax season still has eligibility to hit all those threes against Kentucky for a school called "Oakland" that is not even in California!

Maybe recruiting rankings are not as important as you would like them to be.
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You’re the king of straw men. I honestly can’t tell if you think you’re trying to pull a fast one or don’t understand how bad your argument is.

Obviously recruiting rankings are not the be-all, end-all. (Nobody said they were, although I understand you need to pretend I did in order to make your laughable arguments.) Coaching matters and upsets happen. But when you get top-5 classes for 15 years straight you’re not a bad recruiter and anybody who says you are has demonstrated a tenuous grip on reality.
 
Woodson said:
Wait… but who did you root for in 96?
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I rooted harder for Syracuse in that title game than any non-UConn team maybe ever. Also I loved the BC team that took down Carolina a few years before that.
Things change, I guess.
 
nomar said:
You’re the king of straw men. I honestly can’t tell if you think you’re trying to pull a fast one or don’t understand how bad your argument is.

Obviously recruiting rankings are not the be-all, end-all. (Nobody said they were, although I understand you need to pretend I did in order to make your laughable arguments.) Coaching matters and upsets happen. But when you get top-5 classes for 15 years straight you’re not a bad recruiter and anybody who says you are has demonstrated a tenuous grip on reality.
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I mean, I guess you'd have to believe that those top 5 classes were all overrated for 15 years in a row in order to believe he's a bad recruiter.

But rather than the mental gymnastics, I'd straightforwardly argue that he's a good recruiter and a bad coach. Other coaches would have gotten much more out of those recruiting classes, or done a better job structuring the roster to have a mix of veteran players and 1-and-dones.
 
Inyatkin said:
I rooted harder for Syracuse in that title game than any non-UConn team maybe ever. Also I loved the BC team that took down Carolina a few years before that.
Things change, I guess.
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I liked BC taking care of Carolina for two reasons 1) It cleared our path to what shouldve been our first FF (oh Donyell) 2) We were in the middle of beating BC about a kazillion times in a row that period, there was very little animosity toward BC back then. They were an inconsequential little brother. BC hatred didnt become a real thing until they torpedoed the whole BigEast in confernce realighment and then doubled down by lobbying against us.

So yea I was rooting for BC then.

Syracuse? Never. Was totally rooting for Kentucky.
 
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sdglast said:
It's interesting to read the Kentucky posters. Saying UConn has no fans, it's a basketball program built up by ESPN, and wondering how in the world UConn can win 6 titles in 25 years with our facilities. They can't fathom why Hurley would stay here and believe that UConn is not anywhere near the basketball school that Kentucky is even nowadays. They are filling Hurley's twitter page begging him to come to UK. It's actually quite humerous.
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Everyone wants something they can’t have.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I didn't have particularly strong feelings about them one way or another during the Tubby Smith era.
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I agree. I think it's a knee jerk reaction of any sports fans to act like they don't like other programs, especially the great ones. A few years ago I was in Wisconsin and was talking to someone or other and I mentioned I went to UConn and they made the anti-vampire finger cross sign and said "oh no. Stay away" I thought, am I missing something that happened between WI and CT?
I have no beef with kentucky, or Cal. I only care about UConn. That's where my feelings go.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I mean, I guess you'd have to believe that those top 5 classes were all overrated for 15 years in a row in order to believe he's a bad recruiter.

But rather than the mental gymnastics, I'd straightforwardly argue that he's a good recruiter and a bad coach. Other coaches would have gotten much more out of those recruiting classes, or done a better job structuring the roster to have a mix of veteran players and 1-and-dones.
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Yeah, everybody agrees with that except for one person.
 
August_West said:
I liked BC taking care of Carolina for two reasons 1) It cleared our path to what shouldve been our first FF (oh Donyell) 2) We were in the middle of beating BC about a kazillion times in a row that period, there was very little animosity toward BC back then. They were an inconsequential little brother. BC hatred didnt become a real thing until they torpedoed the whole BigEast in confernce realighment and then doubled down by lobbying against us.

So yea I was rooting for BC then.

Syracuse? Never. Was totally rooting for Kentucky.
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I rooted for Kentucky in '96. Weirdly, however., I also rooted for Syracuse in the '03 title game. Seems odd now, but it wasn't even a question. No love for KU. Big East team. And we had some bragging rights having beaten them twice, IIRC. And, I guess, we'd already won a title, whereas in '96 we hadn't? Like I said, seems weird now.

I also rooted for BC in '94 because, yeah, we were going to destroy them.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
I mean, I guess you'd have to believe that those top 5 classes were all overrated for 15 years in a row in order to believe he's a bad recruiter.

But rather than the mental gymnastics, I'd straightforwardly argue that he's a good recruiter and a bad coach. Other coaches would have gotten much more out of those recruiting classes, or done a better job structuring the roster to have a mix of veteran players and 1-and-dones.
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Despite Nomar’s complaining, my argument is not inconsistent or complicated. Cheating is not good recruiting. Now it is not cheating anymore, and Calipari is beclowning himself. Even Kentucky’s delusional fans agree with me that Calipari sucks.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Despite Nomar’s complaining, my argument is not inconsistent or complicated. Cheating is not good recruiting. Now it is not cheating anymore, and Calipari is beclowning himself. Even Kentucky’s delusional fans agree with me that Calipari sucks.
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That would make sense if Kentucky was bringing in #1 classes before but struggling to bring in top classes now.

In fact, the issue they're having seems to be the same one it's been for 10 years: consistently bringing in top recruits for whom the whole is less than the sum of the parts.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Kentucky is running the stupidest coaching search in history by leaking every name they are interested in. Way to let their ultimate choice know he was the 12th option.
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They are afraid of their fan base. They are leaking to get reaction data. But when you leak too much you can sink……
 
Tenspro2002 said:
That would make sense if Kentucky was bringing in #1 classes before but struggling to bring in top classes now.

In fact, the issue they're having seems to be the same one it's been for 10 years: consistently bringing in top recruits for whom the whole is less than the sum of the parts.
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Exactly. It only came to a head now after and because the chronic underperformance snowballed over the years. One title from dozens of NBA players.
 
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