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Waquoit said:
I'm not going to read that, I was watching real time. We had two guys guarding one and that ball was in the air a long time. But I'm not saying we didn't get ripped off. Not very often do you have someone coming out of the stands demanding a do-over and actually getting one. It was a travesty. Still, play some D, please.
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I too saw it live but reading that just reinforces that the game never should have gotten to the play you are referring to.

So, your take is the loss is the fault of the players on the court?
 
twiceahusky said:
Last two replies were Grayson Allen. I happened to meet him in a tunnel before a Milwaukee Bucks game … very nice guy who posed with me in my UConn hoodie. Was great with everyone.

I also got to speak to some of the Bucks high level staff for a while (long story). They said he’s absolutely a great guy.

I know Allen did some questionable stuff in games, but UConn fans criticizing Allen might be a bit like other fans criticizing Hurley.
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What are you trying to say?
 
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boog204 said:
Have to admit the Laettner 30 for 30 did humanize him a little. Reality is that he was an amazing college player who was envied and was a fierce competitor. Still a classic villain, though. And worst of all, he loved and thrived on it.

Laimbeer and Bonds were definitely villains, as both played the part and were completely apathetic about it.

I have a tough time with ARod as a villain, though. Incredible player who was soft as toilet paper. His fragile narcissism made him an easy target, and he usually crumbled under pressure (save 09) because he was too brittle to think people didn't love him.

Tyson definitely qualified for a while. OJ pretty much became and embraced his boss-status villainy. Draymond?

I guess it's in your definition of a villain. I think a villain is someone who has a sense of self-awareness that they are a jerk. But they love it and use it to their advantage, which just initiates the avalanche. ARod doesn't fit there, for me. Neither does Grayson Allen, who I've heard is actually a really nice guy. Just a brat.
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So given your definition, we must add Jim McMahon and Johnnie Manzell.
 
FearThePups said:
So given your definition, we must add Jim McMahon and Johnnie Manzell.
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Guess I should add that you’re actually a successful player, too, to the def. That eliminates Manzell and greatly diminishes McMahon.
 
superjohn said:
They canceled people based on lies/slander back then too. Al Stump created the made up version of Cobb for profit when Cobb was dying and Ken Burns and others ran with it decades later.

www.newsweek.com

Why you think Ty Cobb was a racist (when he wasn't)

Cobb just lost his baseball record to Josh Gibson, a Black man. Many people are cheering—thanks to a sportswriter's lie.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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You would have to have been around Cobb for a long period of time to be 100% certain that he wasn’t a racist and did not deserve the reputation he got. It was the norm for white people in his state at that time and I know this because I lived in the south for 5 years in the 1970’s. You can’t believe what I heard from very educated people. There are very racist people and leaders today who with creative writing and lies can be portrayed as civil rights leaders. ( I won’t name them).
 
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jibsey said:
You would have to have been around Cobb for a long period of time to be 100% certain that he wasn’t a racist and did not deserve the reputation he got. It was the norm for white people in his state at that time and I know this because I lived in the south for 5 years in the 1970’s. You can’t believe what I heard from very educated people. There are very racist people and leaders today who with creative writing and lies can be portrayed as civil rights leaders. ( I won’t name them).
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My grandfather used to tell me a story about how Ty Cobb would steal bases with his spikes up trying to injure opposing SS and 2B. One day Honus Wagner took the throw down, but instead of trying to tag Cobb out, he positioned himself just out of the baseline and instead tagged Cobb in the mouth with the ball as he slid in.
 
cullaville said:
I too saw it live but reading that just reinforces that the game never should have gotten to the play you are referring to.

So, your take is the loss is the fault of the players on the court?
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My take is that if you wait for the refs to make a call you’re usually disappointed. T’was always true.
 
TheHorde said:
Even as a Red Sox fan, I’d agree that I don’t think ARod truly belongs in the villain category.
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He was just a fragile ego who wanted everyone to like him. He is easily one of the most talented baseball players I've ever seen, and his two MVP years with the Yankees were unreal. But he was so desperate to be loved that he just continually made an ass out of himself and the more people criticized him, especially for his postseason failures, the more he crumbled. I almost have empathy for him, as he truly loved playing and cared.
 
Others I haven’t seen mentioned.

Detroit defensive linemen Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley
Vontaze Burfict
And I’ll add runner Oscar Pistarius
 
cwh20 said:
Others I haven’t seen mentioned.

Detroit defensive linemen Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley
Vontaze Burfict
And I’ll add runner Oscar Pistarius
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These are all good choices... Can't remember what Fairley did, though.
 
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boog204 said:
These are all good choices... Can't remember what Fairley did, though.
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You’re right about Fairley. He was just normal bad I suppose but he was lumped in with Suh by virtue of being right next to him. Suh just foot stomped the chest of a down player well after the whistle among many other dirty plays.
 
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On Ray Nitchke, Packer mlb hall of famer:


"Nitschke was known for his strength and toughness. On July 2, 1973 he told me and Fortin, that a metal tower on the Packers practice field fell over on top of him. Lombardi ran over to see what had happened, but when told it had fallen on Nitschke, said, "He'll be fine. Get back to work!"
According to Nitschke's biography, the tower drove a spike into his helmet, but didn't injure him. The helmet (with the hole) is currently on display in the Packer Hall of Fame in Green Bay."
 
Waquoit said:
Was he known to be dirty in HS? Or just tough.
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He was a few years before me, but he came from a real good family and I don't remember hearing any stories of him being dirty. He was so much bigger and faster than anyone else. And he was a hard worker.

My personal opinion is once he left BCU and got drafted, he saw how small the margins are to stay on an NFL roster, and was willing to do anything to stay on a roster.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Vernon and Rockville High's very own.
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Grew up in Vernon and knew Billy and his family very well
Even I was surprised at some of the things he did as a pro
He was so driven as a high schooler, just wound different than your average HS kid.
 
Chin Diesel said:
He was a few years before me, but he came from a real good family and I don't remember hearing any stories of him being dirty. He was so much bigger and faster than anyone else. And he was a hard worker.

My personal opinion is once he left BCU and got drafted, he saw how small the margins are to stay on an NFL roster, and was willing to do anything to stay on a roster.
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That was kinda what I was thinking. We were actually neighbors in our youth, living in the same EH housing project until I was 3.
 
Viet Vet said:
Harry Frazee.
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He got money that he invested in perennial Broadway hit "No, No. Nanette". One of, if not the, most profitable musicals of all time. It's still performed 100 years later. John Henry got Alex Verdugo.
 
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