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msf22b said:
I admire what Skylar has done to us over the years, even when she had difficulty; in crunch time she was a winner.
I also admire the coaching and grit that has enabled Notre Dame to win a bunch of these recent games with us; all the other crap is superfluous.

I especially admire that Holly has taken over an extraordinary and hallowed program, last year on the rocks, and has brought it along in its first steps towards respectability, in a coaching assignment in which anyone would be expected to fail, with the Maestra looking over her shoulder every day; an enviable performance.
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You still don't "get" what being a sports fan is.
 
"But then we thought about the game, the game, the game..." Damn Yankees, 1957
 
huskybill said:
This game will test the theory that Tenn always gets the breaks from the refs at home. UT has been called for 287 fouls while their opponents have been called for 345. But ND has been called for 264; their opponents 332.
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First off, interesting thread and some of it's actually a bit funny. As for this post, you should do this foul comparison for every top team. I think you would be surprised in the results.
 
Justavisitor said:
First off, interesting thread and some of it's actually a bit funny. As for this post, you should do this foul comparison for every top team. I think you would be surprised in the results.
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1. You are right and I am wrong. I am big time wrong.

2. have you really done that comparison?
 
doggydaddy said:
1. You are right and I am wrong. I am big time wrong.

2. have you really done that comparison?
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I haven't, but last year, someone compared all of the top teams. At that time, I think UConn actually had the largest margin of difference. No top team was excluded from having a healthy advantage. TN's wasn't the worst and may have toward the lower end of the top teams.
 
Justavisitor said:
First off, interesting thread and some of it's actually a bit funny. As for this post, you should do this foul comparison for every top team. I think you would be surprised in the results.
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I did do it for a number of teams whose players were mentioned in the thread about All Americans. Only Penn State had been called for more fouls than their opponents ((333-308). Other teams numbers were Baylor, by far the best, (224-336) ; Stanford (248-264) ; UConn (240-275) ; Maryland (285-319) ; Duke (266-275) Tenn 287-345) ; ND (264-322) and Delaware (234-272). Not sure where the surprise is.
 
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CL82 said:
Can't root for the evil empire.

"The best way to get revenge upon your enemy is through another enemy."
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The old Evil Empire or the new one? The original one lost their empire. :)
 
I thinks it is possible to root for an Irish loss without rooting for a Vol win.
 
Wonkster said:
I confess complete ignorance on the topic, but I suspect what it's about enough to dissuade me from investing the energy in a Google search.
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The lesser of too weevils is a pun made by the lead character Jack Aubrey in the series by Patrick O'Brian.

Great reading, I highly recommend them.
 
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ND is, hands down, the evil empire of college sports. None of the crazy reorganization of college sports happens if they join the Big East for football. Even though they don't deserve the status, there isn't a BE football program that would have left a conference with ND in it and none of the raiding that began with the BE would have happened. Certainly not after BC, VTech and Miami left and those schools, certainly BC would have begged to come back. ND lived off the conference and gave nothing in return If UT has a virtue it is that they are not Notre Dame. The Irish can't lose enough as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention UConn might jump them in the rankings. Unfortunately I think I'm not going to like the results of the game.
 
meyers7 said:
Agree. One cannot be a UCONN fan and root for TN.
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One cannot want ND to win anything if one is a UConn fan. If one hasn't noticed, ND had no issue with leaving UConn sports to wallow. On the other hand, hating UT is a little like not buying a Toyota because of WW II. Ancient history and we did quite well after the war ended in both cases.
 
Dove said:
I thinks it is possible to root for an Irish loss without rooting for a Vol win.
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Where I come from, you either love ND, want your kids to go there, and your daughter to marry a Domer, or you wouldn't wear green even on St. Patrick's Day for fear you would be taken for a ND fan.

So, I am firmly on the side of Dove on this topic, even tho I come from a place where they dye the river green for St. Paddy's Day.
 
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cohenzone said:
One cannot want ND to win anything if one is a UConn fan.
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You need to read again. I didn't say one should cheer for ND to win, rather for TN to lose.....badly. One cannot cheer for TN to win, under any circumstances and be a UCONN fan. Turn in your UCONN fan card you, you proprietor of evil. :mad:

cohenzone said:
If one hasn't noticed, ND had no issue with leaving UConn sports to wallow.
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ND women's basketball has nothing to do with ND football.

cohenzone said:
On the other hand, hating UT is a little like not buying a Toyota because of WW II. Ancient history and we did quite well after the war ended in both cases.
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And wrong again. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
 
Go Irish, whenever you play the Voles. I have hated them for too long....
 
meyers7 said:
You need to read again. I didn't say one should cheer for ND to win, rather for TN to lose.....badly. One cannot cheer for TN to win, under any circumstances and be a UCONN fan. Turn in your UCONN fan card you, you proprietor of evil. :mad:

Unfortunately, they don't play ties. I'm not a UT fan, but someone has to win the game, so if not rooting for ND implies that I'm rooting for UT, that's the way the shamrock crumbles.


ND women's basketball has nothing to do with ND football.

The ND football players had nothing to do with it either. The evil of their empire infects all that wear it's colors. (I wish they'd decide if their colors are gold and green, or gold and blue, it affects the pen I use - I actually have a few of those antiquated things laying around).

And wrong again. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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I can't remember what I ate for breakfast. More importantly, I don't remember what league we play in. Maybe ND knows.
 
cohenzone said:
Unfortunately, they don't play ties. I'm not a UT fan, but someone has to win the game, so if not rooting for ND implies that I'm rooting for UT, that's the way the shamrock crumbles.
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Then you will have to live with your choice........forever.

cohenzone said:
The evil of their empire infects all that wear it's colors.
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Just like Dante, there are levels of evil. ND football, yes is at a great, great evil level. And sure that evil spreads like a plague. However, we are talking about women's basketball. And in WBB there is no greater evil than TN Lady Vols.
 
meyers7 said:
Then you will have to live with your choice........forever.


Just like Dante, there are levels of evil. ND football, yes is at a great, great evil level. And sure that evil spreads like a plague. However, we are talking about women's basketball. And in WBB there is no greater evil than TN Lady Vols.
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Personally, I've always been repulsed by the Lady Mules of Muhlenberg. Stubborn lot, those Mules.
 
cohenzone said:
Personally, I've always been repulsed by the Lady Mules of Muhlenberg. Stubborn lot, those Mules.
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Lutherans aren't called blockheads for nothing.
 
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meyers7 said:
Agree. One cannot be a UCONN fan and root for TN.
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Icebear said:
Lutherans aren't called blockheads for nothing.
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I will say, Muhlenberg more than fills its quota of Jewish kids. Tolerance is a beacon (this thread does not qualify). Beats the daylights out of ND. Yet, there is something about a Lady Mule that is off-putting. If they had called themselves the Lady Bergs, well then.....
 
I think UCONN fans should be able to watch the game without having to root for either of the teams. Just cheer or smile each time a bad play is made or a shot is missed by either team. Then after the game just focus on the team that lost and forget about the one that won. If TN wins you move ahead of ND in both polls and get the pleasure of seeing ND lose. If ND wins then they stay highly ranked most likely until you play them again. It probably helps your SOS plus you get the pleasure of seeing TN lose. You should be able to find some joy in either result.
 
huskybill said:
I did do it for a number of teams whose players were mentioned in the thread about All Americans. Only Penn State had been called for more fouls than their opponents ((333-308). Other teams numbers were Baylor, by far the best, (224-336) ; Stanford (248-264) ; UConn (240-275) ; Maryland (285-319) ; Duke (266-275) Tenn 287-345) ; ND (264-322) and Delaware (234-272). Not sure where the surprise is.
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Your original post indicated that TN gets some unfair number of fouls called against them when compared to other teams. However, after doing the math it lines up like this:

Baylor's opponents get called for 60% of the fouls
Notre Dame's opponents - 54.95%
Tennessee's opponents - 54.59%
Delaware's opponents - 53.75%
UConn's oppoments - 53.40 %
Maryland's opponents - 5281%
Stanford's opponents = 51.56%
Duke's opponents - 50.83%

There's actually only a 1% difference between TN and UConn, with ND barely above that, so not the discrepancy that was alluded to. In other words, TN doesn't get any more of a break than anyone else. Baylor's being so out of line is understandable considering Griner gets fouled quite a bit due to her overwhelming size and power.
 
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