BIG fan here: let's keep hope alive

[upstater]

If you need the SNY link your not a fan!!

That's a dumb thing to say.

And a dumb way to say it.

Link to this metric of so-called followers (no doubt bogus).

Here's what I'm looking at:

UConn men's bball averages 5 rating in its DMA, women's bball a 5 rating average. Both get up to 8.5 top rating in big games (this isn't SNY but all channels).

Rutgers fball averages 1.0 football in its DMA. Men's and women's bball is off the map.

Rutgers DMA is 7m people, while UConn's is 1.3m. I couldn't find reverse numbers to make the comparison (i.e. couldn't find UConn in NYC and Rutgers in Ct.) I bet UConn's are higher in NYC than Rutgers' in Ct.

Regardless, when you add all bball and football together, UConn makes out.

This is why licensing and tier 3 rights yield $24.8m for UConn in revenue while Rutgers only makes $10m.

 

[NickyNewark]

W

That's a dumb thing to say.

And a dumb way to say it.

Link to this metric of so-called followers (no doubt bogus).

Here's what I'm looking at:

UConn men's bball averages 5 rating in its DMA, women's bball a 5 rating average. Both get up to 8.5 top rating in big games (this isn't SNY but all channels).

Rutgers fball averages 1.0 football in its DMA. Men's and women's bball is off the map.

Rutgers DMA is 7m people, while UConn's is 1.3m. I couldn't find reverse numbers to make the comparison (i.e. couldn't find UConn in NYC and Rutgers in Ct.) I bet UConn's are higher in NYC than Rutgers' in Ct.

Regardless, when you add all bball and football together, UConn makes out.

This is why licensing and tier 3 rights yield $24.8m for UConn in revenue while Rutgers only makes $10m.

WBB? No doubt UConn FB?not watched!

 

[NickyNewark]

Don't you get SNY alerts from Matt for all news UConn like all good RU,SU and UConn fans?The UConn following is so small they don't even advertise proudly the followers....RU has over 700 who want news INSTANTLY thru there station!DIEHARDS only!!My goodness you can't google SNY Matt Sugran?The links to all the schools they cover are there!

 

[NickyNewark]

That's a dumb thing to say.

And a dumb way to say it.

Link to this metric of so-called followers (no doubt bogus).

Here's what I'm looking at:

UConn men's bball averages 5 rating in its DMA, women's bball a 5 rating average. Both get up to 8.5 top rating in big games (this isn't SNY but all channels).

Rutgers fball averages 1.0 football in its DMA. Men's and women's bball is off the map.

Rutgers DMA is 7m people, while UConn's is 1.3m. I couldn't find reverse numbers to make the comparison (i.e. couldn't find UConn in NYC and Rutgers in Ct.) I bet UConn's are higher in NYC than Rutgers' in Ct.

Regardless, when you add all bball and football together, UConn makes out.

This is why licensing and tier 3 rights yield $24.8m for UConn in revenue while Rutgers only makes $10m.

I live in Cos Cob and the Capitol District in NY and I'm amazed at the block R's I see...its spreading!!It's in the very air!It's growing even as we BS ourselves now!!

 

[NickyNewark]

That's a dumb thing to say.

And a dumb way to say it.

Link to this metric of so-called followers (no doubt bogus).

Here's what I'm looking at:

UConn men's bball averages 5 rating in its DMA, women's bball a 5 rating average. Both get up to 8.5 top rating in big games (this isn't SNY but all channels).

Rutgers fball averages 1.0 football in its DMA. Men's and women's bball is off the map.

Rutgers DMA is 7m people, while UConn's is 1.3m. I couldn't find reverse numbers to make the comparison (i.e. couldn't find UConn in NYC and Rutgers in Ct.) I bet UConn's are higher in NYC than Rutgers' in Ct.

Regardless, when you add all bball and football together, UConn makes out.

This is why licensing and tier 3 rights yield $24.8m for UConn in revenue while Rutgers only makes $10m.

Its unreal that you guys tout SNY in every post but can't find it on its own web page?Matt Sugran has a page and following for all the "local" teams!RU,SU and "UConn"!Or did he take it off for lack of interest?

 

[upstater]

Its unreal that you guys tout SNY in every post but can't find it on its own web page?Matt Sugran has a page and following for all the "local" teams!RU,SU and "UConn"!Or did he take it off for lack of interest?

Who can't find SNY's webpage? Are you brain damaged?

 

[upstater]

I live in Cos Cob and the Capitol District in NY and I'm amazed at the block R's I see...its spreading!!It's in the very air!It's growing even as we BS ourselves now!!

Everyone is excited about Rutgers!!! Except people with TVs!!!!

 

[upstater]

Don't you get SNY alerts from Matt for all news UConn like all good RU,SU and UConn fans?The UConn following is so small they don't even advertise proudly the followers....RU has over 700 who want news INSTANTLY thru there station!DIEHARDS only!!My goodness you can't google SNY Matt Sugran?The links to all the schools they cover are there!

Trying to figure out what your crazy hysterics mean, so this is what I did:

https://www.google.com/search?q=SNY...78,d.dmg&fp=82fdc25a886fd9a7&biw=1378&bih=664

No results.

 

[upstater]

Hey Nicky, explain this:

This is why licensing and tier 3 rights yield $24.8m for UConn in revenue while Rutgers only makes $10m.

 

[woomba]

Here - just so that everyone's using the same data. This is from the Department of Education data that the USA Today database is based out of but also breaks out the two big revenue sports.

As expected UConn makes more money than Rutgers in men and womens B-ball but makes a lot less in FB related revenue. As upstater mentioned, UConn makes more in rights/licensing (this is in the Not Allocated by Gender/Sport line, although it also includes student fees and university support, so USA Today is a better indicator of that data since they do the additional calculations)

...that said, I have no idea where $8M in non-BBall women's revenue for Rutgers is coming from.

*Sorry about the poor formatting - the columns should've been men/womens/total


Rutgers Revenues for 2011-2012

Varsity Teams

Men's Teams​

Women's Teams​

Total​

Basketball

$5,342,302​

$3,923,045​

$9,265,347​

Football

$21,314,486​

$21,314,486​

Total Revenues of all Sports, Except Football and Basketball, Combined

$4,339,279​

$8,117,308​

$12,456,587​

Total Revenues Men's and Women's Teams

$30,996,067​

$12,040,353​

​

$43,036,420​

Not Allocated by Gender/Sport

​

$14,443,884​

UConn Revenues for 2011-2012

Total Revenues by Team
Varsity Teams

Men's Teams​

Women's Teams​

Total​

Basketball

$7,388,968​

$4,704,571​

$12,093,539​

Football

$12,910,583​

$12,910,583​

Total Revenues of all Sports, Except Football and Basketball, Combined

$1,320,540​

$375,331​

$1,695,871​

Total Revenues Men's and Women's Teams

$21,620,091​

$5,079,902​

​

$26,699,993​

Not Allocated by Gender/Sport

​

$37,128,631​

 

[upstater]

We all know schools do revenue differently. I'm not even arguing football makes more than Rutgers football. The truth is, I don't know. I imagine it doesn't. But going sport to sport doesn't help either since some, like Ville, include donations by sport, others don't. I just stick to the bottom line: licensing and TV money. I can't imagine how that's corruptible.

 

[woomba]

From a bottom line perspective, revenues from donations is no different from licensed goods so I don't agree with invalidity of the breakout.

That said, licensing may be the better metric for general fan base size but it's harder to make sure that you're completely comparing the same thing since a)Certain schools are locked into older deals despite licensing value for college sports having increased dramatically over the past decade and b)different schools offer different licensing rights.

For example, Rutger's last deal was made with Nelligan Sports Marketing back in 2003(and recently terminated) while UConn's was with IMG in 2008.

My guess is that UConn would probably generate more licensing sales than Rutgers even after the new deal is brokered but it'll probably be a lot closer than the current ~$10M gap.

 

[upstater]

From a bottom line perspective, revenues from donations is no different from licensed goods so I don't agree with invalidity of the breakout.

That said, licensing may be the better metric for general fan base size but it's harder to make sure that you're completely comparing the same thing since a)Certain schools are locked into older deals despite licensing value for college sports having increased dramatically over the past decade and b)different schools offer different licensing rights.

For example, Rutger's last deal was made with Nelligan Sports Marketing back in 2003(and recently terminated) while UConn's was with IMG in 2008.

My guess is that UConn would probably generate more licensing sales than Rutgers even after the new deal is brokered but it'll probably be a lot closer than the current ~$10M gap.

You misunderstood me. I wrote that schools account for donations differently, some under the general fund, and others under individual sports.

UConn's deal with IMG is only worth $8m. It's separate from other deals with TV and radio and other forms of licensing.

 

[pj]

Here - just so that everyone's using the same data. This is from the Department of Education data that the USA Today database is based out of but also breaks out the two big revenue sports.

As expected UConn makes more money than Rutgers ...

Fixed it for you.

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Rutgers Revenues for 2011-2012​

Total Revenues Men's and Women's Teams: $43,036,420​

Not Allocated by Gender/Sport: $14,443,884​

GRAND TOTAL: $57,480,304​

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UConn Revenues for 2011-2012​

Total Revenues Men's and Women's Teams: $26,699,993​

Not Allocated by Gender/Sport: $37,128,631​

GRAND TOTAL: $ 63,828,624​

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UConn allocates some money to "non allocated" that Rutgers allocates to teams. But the grand total numbers should be independent of accounting methods.​

 

[upstater]

Fixed it for you.

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UConn allocates some money to "non allocated" that Rutgers allocates to teams. But the grand total numbers should be independent of accounting methods.​

This is correct. On the other hand, Rutgers subsidizes sports with $30 million in money from the academic side, while UConn is at $10 million.

I can't emphasize this enough: 50% of the tix for Rutgers football are freebies.

 

[woomba]

Fixed it for you.




UConn allocates some money to "non allocated" that Rutgers allocates to teams. But the grand total numbers should be independent of accounting methods.

I didn't think I was arguing otherwise, especially when I laid out all the numbers in the post.

As for the whole allocation thing, I have no idea if the accounting methods are different. The revenue differences are most likely the fact that Rutgers is more heavily subsidized than UConn as well generating less licensing money rather than how revenue for FB/BB is allocated.

I only posted those numbers because upstater was drawing a comparison between Rutgers FB and UConn BB, which is not a like for like comparison, especially with different DMAs.

 

[upstater]

I only posted those numbers because upstater was drawing a comparison between Rutgers FB and UConn BB, which is not a like for like comparison, especially with different DMAs.

I never did any such thing.

 

[B1GALUM]

I liked your post Gfunk and see the value of inviting UConn to the B1G as well given the goals set forth by the conference.
I continue to question the wisdom of all that has happened with CR but, the fact of the matter is, the era of 10 school conferences in geographical proximity is over.
The B1G has made a decision to extend from its Midwestern roots to the East and become a bi regional conference with a national presence.

Big Ten Network strives for national reputation.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130618/BLOGS04/130619800

This requires more universities and markets and some of our fellow B1G mates have not accepted or endorsed this decision by the B1G.

I liked your post Dooley and your timeline of 3 to 5 years is an important one to remember.
I would think if further B1G expansion were to occur it would be desirable to announce it prior to these negotiations to use any new universities and markets as leverage.

One of the biggest tasks on the horizon will be the Big Ten's next TV contract. Delany said negotiations are scheduled to begin sometime in the 2015-16 academic year. Given the way rights fees have gone and the Big Ten's additional markets, the potential windfall for the conference in the next deal could be staggering.

"I'm as excited to be working in the Big Ten today as I was 10 years ago and 15 years ago," he said.

Besides, Delany has a lot of things to see through, including the addition of Maryland and Rutgers next season and his goal of creating a bigger East Coast presence for the Big Ten.

"With expansion, lacrosse and hockey, there are new things happening all the time," he said. "And I would expect over the next five years that there will be more new things. Technology continues to change rapidly, and I think the challenge of building the conference in another region is real, and it will be fun."

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post...es-invigorate-big-ten-commissioner-jim-delany

I have engaged in speculation, not always sound, on this board and think instead I need to ask more questions.
The questions I would ask Jim Delany if given the opportunity and would like your perspective as well.
Is the addition of Maryland and Rutgers sufficient to accomplish your goal of building the conference in this East region? or
Are further East Coast universities needed to accomplish this goal? and
Who would those universities need to be in order to accomplish this goal?

 

[woomba]

Obviously people on this board will say no to your first question.

In reality no one will know for sure until the Big Ten starts negotiating in a few years from now. Once the numbers are known, the question will be the incremental benefits of UConn (i.e. How much more of NYC Metro can UConn bring in vs having just Rutgers and are the revenues from UConn's Share of NYC + Conn. enough to at least keep per school payouts the same?) + a suitable #16 somewhere else.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Taking the chance on UConn potential will be the biggest no-brainer in CR in 5 to 10 years.

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[B1GALUM]

Obviously people on this board will say no to your first question.

Agreed. I did not expect otherwise on this board.

In reality no one will know for sure until the Big Ten starts negotiating in a few years from now. Once the numbers are known, the question will be the incremental benefits of UConn (i.e. How much more of NYC Metro can UConn bring in vs having just Rutgers and are the revenues from UConn's Share of NYC + Conn. enough to at least keep per school payouts the same?) + a suitable #16 somewhere else.

This statement is really more the point of my question and you stated it better than I did. I ask it on this board because you know better than I do whether, based on your knowledge of UConn and the East Coast region, UConn and another East Coast team could bring this value. I understand no one knows for sure but I am seeking an opinion from those of you who have more knowledge.

 

[woomba]

The only guaranteed slam dunk would be Notre Dame. The other two possibilities would be BC and Syracuse and they both have their own issues to really guarantee enough value to justify a Big Ten invite.

 

[NickyNewark]

Here - just so that everyone's using the same data. This is from the Department of Education data that the USA Today database is based out of but also breaks out the two big revenue sports.

As expected UConn makes more money than Rutgers in men and womens B-ball but makes a lot less in FB related revenue. As upstater mentioned, UConn makes more in rights/licensing (this is in the Not Allocated by Gender/Sport line, although it also includes student fees and university support, so USA Today is a better indicator of that data since they do the additional calculations)

...that said, I have no idea where $8M in non-BBall women's revenue for Rutgers is coming from.

*Sorry about the poor formatting - the columns should've been men/womens/total


Rutgers Revenues for 2011-2012

Varsity Teams

Men's Teams​

Women's Teams​

Total​

Basketball

$5,342,302​

$3,923,045​

$9,265,347​

Football

$21,314,486​

$21,314,486​

Total Revenues of all Sports, Except Football and Basketball, Combined

$4,339,279​

$8,117,308​

$12,456,587​

Total Revenues Men's and Women's Teams

$30,996,067​

$12,040,353​

​

$43,036,420​

Not Allocated by Gender/Sport

​

$14,443,884​

UConn Revenues for 2011-2012

Total Revenues by Team
Varsity Teams

Men's Teams​

Women's Teams​

Total​

Basketball

$7,388,968​

$4,704,571​

$12,093,539​

Football

$12,910,583​

$12,910,583​

Total Revenues of all Sports, Except Football and Basketball, Combined

$1,320,540​

$375,331​

$1,695,871​

Total Revenues Men's and Women's Teams

$21,620,091​

$5,079,902​

​

$26,699,993​

Not Allocated by Gender/Sport

​

$37,128,631​

@all that wasting of time is counterproductive when the B1G's research firm plainly showed RU was the best add outside of ND for eastern expansion !Why don't you take your figures and send them to Delany? Or correct the research firms finds?Wouldn't you have thought all those figures would have been taken into consideration?I'm not the one you have to convince and all that negativity is bad karma!I'm simply a RU fan who thinks UConn would be a great add to the B1G!!Why run off everyone who supports your cause out of envy?Too what end? Don't try to get into a better situation by looking for others faults but by highlighting your own strengths!What can we do to make ourselves more attractive or valuable!Your preaching to the choir.... attacking me or RU is pointless!!With all of our warts (RU) we were found to be the best add by a prestigious marketing firm..it is what it is!!I wish UConn nothing but a fair shake!Good luck!

 

[Adios]

I must add, I honestly think the lack of a football tradition argument doesn't carry any weight. Connecticut has some of the richest and deepest gridiron football traditions in the world. Yale has the most championships and has a huge hand in the development of the game. An alum from my high school helped design the first Super Bowl ring with the Packers.

For UConn to take Yale's spot in this market? The sky is the limit. I don't know if we'll ever match Yale's championship count.

For those who wonder if gridiron football will last, the NFL pays very, very well. It competes with top tier soccer.

 

[NickyNewark]

Agreed. I did not expect otherwise on this board.



This statement is really more the point of my question and you stated it better than I did. I ask it on this board because you know better than I do whether, based on your knowledge of UConn and the East Coast region, UConn and another East Coast team could bring this value. I understand no one knows for sure but I am seeking an opinion from those of you who have more knowledge.

@I think more likely is an east-west add as SU and BC would be overkill for too little benefit and say a Missou or Kansas would be more beneficial politically to western B1G school's who object to too much eastern expansion!RU and UConn together is more than enough to wrap up the NE/Boston to Md megalopolis!!Preferably a Va/UConn add would even be better!

 

[NickyNewark]

The last eastern gap in the B1G is the wealthy,populous Bronx to Boston area of which Connecticut is in the heart of!A 12M people gap minimum that I'm concerned the ACC might try for!That's 3M more people than reside in NJ!

 

[NickyNewark]

The only guaranteed slam dunk would be Notre Dame. The other two possibilities would be BC and Syracuse and they both have their own issues to really guarantee enough value to justify a Big Ten invite.

@Well ND is ND but SU and BC just don't fit the B1G mold and don't have big enough followings to carry their weight in the big east coast markets as in BC's case the ACC is learning but UConn with maybe a Kansas/Missou or Va would bring great benefit to the B1G/BTN! SU in CNY is really in the #80+ market range and have to resort to playing home games at MetLife in NJ to try to get exposure!The big dog's won't agree to a 1 for 1 if they have to play in the passe Carrier Dome!

 

[upstater]

@all that wasting of time is counterproductive when the B1G's research firm plainly showed RU was the best add outside of ND for eastern expansion !Why don't you take your figures and send them to Delany? Or correct the research firms finds?Wouldn't you have thought all those figures would have been taken into consideration?I'm not the one you have to convince and all that negativity is bad karma!I'm simply a RU fan who thinks UConn would be a great add to the B1G!!Why run off everyone who supports your cause out of envy?Too what end? Don't try to get into a better situation by looking for others faults but by highlighting your own strengths!What can we do to make ourselves more attractive or valuable!Your preaching to the choir.... attacking me or RU is pointless!!With all of our warts (RU) we were found to be the best add by a prestigious marketing firm..it is what it is!!I wish UConn nothing but a fair shake!Good luck!

Uh, he's a B1G alum and fan, not UConn. And he wasn't attacking you.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

The only guaranteed slam dunk would be Notre Dame. The other two possibilities would be BC and Syracuse and they both have their own issues to really guarantee enough value to justify a Big Ten invite.

I agree the only two clear-cut slam dunks for the B1G would be ND and Texas. A third potential is Florida State. ND has a bad history with the B1G that would have to be overcome. Texas, which is also a prima donna in college athletics, has its ugly little sister in Texas Tech that may have to be taken as part of a package deal. Florida State has an academic issue getting into the B1G and the physical gap between Tallahasse FL and College Park MD would have to be filled, which will be difficult unless UNC agrees to handover the keys to it’s ACC Kingdom.
As for the Northeast, the B1G has made it clear that its only interested in state, flagship universities and prefer those who are AAU. The only likely exception is Notre Dame.
The only advantages that Syracuse has over UConn is that it is in a continuous state (NY) to existing B1G states (PA & NJ), a football ‘tradition,’ and has a very good lacrosse program. UConn is close is to Syracuse in academics (Syracuse does not have a medical school, most B1G schools have one), has been a better football program over the last 10 years, has better overall athletic facilities (the Dome is showing it’s age; but, it is on campus), is better in basketball (men & women), offers hockey, and has nearly equal penetration to the NY market. Oh, an UConn is a state flagship university.
BC is ND’s weaker sister. The only advantages that BC has over UConn is a so called football tradition (basically built on 1 play, see Doug Flutie), and a very good hockey team. BC barely registers on Boston TV outside of the Beanpot as they rank 5th behind the Sox, Patriots, Celtics, and Bruins (I would argue that they are 6th behind ND) and they do not pull in the rest of the region, which UConn does.

 

[NickyNewark]

Uh, he's a B1G alum and fan, not UConn. And he wasn't attacking you.

I thought it was in reference to our disagreement? I realize that bigalum is a visitor but thanks anyway I hope he didnt take it wrong...jmo!!