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FriarJ said:
I made this comment on the PC bud, but I’m sick of enjoying the portal season more than the real season.
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I'd feel good about the hire. In fact, I think he would have been a much better choice for a lot of top tier schools. He's got the moxy and the track record.
 
RuffRuff said:
I'd feel good about the hire. In fact, I think he would have been a much better choice for a lot of top tier schools. He's got the moxy and the track record.
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Yep, it was great hire and despite what Cuse and others will say, a lot of schools wanted him. Imagine a guy who grew up rooting for Cuse thinks Providence is a better job. What universe are we in.
 
boog204 said:
Pitino was very frank that it doesn’t make sense to recruit HS players anymore. Honestly, unless you’re getting a top 20 guy, he’s right. I couldn’t give a F about buying teams at this point. That is what the sport has become with NIL and the portal.

There’s not a person here who’d have an issue bringing on Flory or Mingo at stupid $$ if it got us a natty. And nobody would have an issue if some uber loaded alum started giving Dan Hurley a zillion dollars every year. The whole UConn is holier than thou BS is beyond lame.
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I don't fully agree with you here. This program has long prided itself on building teams. Prior to NIL there were very few McDonald's All Americans and just a handful of FR and SO leaving early. St johns buying a new team is similar to Kentucky or Duke having four 1 and dones each year.

The pride in the program is succeeding while not doing those things. That's why people have issues with Pitino. It's not buying one player that's bothersome, it's not building a team with guys that you can watch play for 2-4 years. I would hope we never see that with this program
 
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JwittersPAC said:
You are discussing Athletes that main residence is not in NJ or NY. Your assumption is correct if I am a NY Giant player but make my main residence in the state of Florida
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? No, the article describes how regardless of state of official residence you are taxed in each and every state that you play a game, but your home state is NOT taxing you on that money earned in other states. This is what the entire article was about.
 
FriarJ said:
It was done, then when ready to sign his agent asked for more money and a luxury car and Hodgson said see ya. He took Vanderpool, who frankly grades out as a A+ defender and is taller and stronger than Enis. Also I should add that the agent knows Self, and apparently and they set up a zoom call to leverage PC that was “leaked” to Hodgson who rightfully was po’d
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Thanks for the info. Very interesting stuff.
 
REB1094 said:
Pitino picked up a professional player who already has a contract playing professionally in Europe after next season?

I hate it here lol
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They could say at least tell us what he's going to study while here. Lol
 
FriarJ said:
If Hodgson can coach and I think he can, he’s going fit like a glove into the BE, and this looney fan base I’m part of. It’s fun stuff, which frankly is what this all should be.
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He's a bad@ass. Looks like he drives a Harley. Doesn't care what anyone thinks. He'll do fine.

English was a pretty boy.
 
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FriarJ said:
If Hodgson can coach and I think he can, he’s going fit like a glove into the BE, and this looney fan base I’m part of. It’s fun stuff, which frankly is what this all should be.
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He is a fascinating game day coach. Analytics all the way! Enjoy the season.
 
upstater said:
? No, the article describes how regardless of state of official residence you are taxed in each and every state that you play a game, but your home state is NOT taxing you on that money earned in other states. This is what the entire article was about.
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Let’s try this again. This article clearly points out athletes earnings in other states is treated the same as any other person. It just easier for the states to know where you have played compared to normal people whose work travel is typically not broadcasted. And yes if you are domiciled/reside in New York even athletes pay New York State income taxes on all worldwide income. They do just like other New Yorkers, they get to offset/credit for taxes paid to other states.
 
JwittersPAC said:

Let’s try this again. This article clearly points out athletes earnings in other states is treated the same as any other person. It just easier for the states to know where you have played compared to normal people whose work travel is typically not broadcasted. And yes if you are domiciled/reside in New York even athletes pay New York State income taxes on all worldwide income. They do just like other New Yorkers, they get to offset/credit for taxes paid to other states.
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Did you even read what you linked to?

This article (which was mostly completely general until the end and therefore practically useless) said that each state taxes the player based on the game played there. And NY will only charge tax based on your so-called duty days. If you're in another state and preparing to play in another state, obviously that's not your duty day.

This is why my link showed the breakdown. If what you're saying is true, the effective tax rate shown in my link of 8.71% would've been 10.95% (Jersey's rate). Why? Because after you offset the Jersey tax by the amount you paid to another state, you'd be liable for the difference. So the rate would be 10.95% (that would make up the difference). Instead, we have much lower rates.

I said earlier that this is effectively the average of all the rates. I know it's not but I saw no point in getting into the complication of duty days. The main point is that your taxes are always lower if you come from a high tax state than the top rate in that state, and they are always higher if you come from a low tax state.
 
upstater said:
Did you even read what you linked to?

This article (which was mostly completely general until the end and therefore practically useless) said that each state taxes the player based on the game played there. And NY will only charge tax based on your so-called duty days. If you're in another state and preparing to play in another state, obviously that's not your duty day.

This is why my link showed the breakdown. If what you're saying is true, the effective tax rate shown in my link of 8.71% would've been 10.95% (Jersey's rate). Why? Because after you offset the Jersey tax by the amount you paid to another state, you'd be liable for the difference. So the rate would be 10.95% (that would make up the difference). Instead, we have much lower rates.

I said earlier that this is effectively the average of all the rates. I know it's not but I saw no point in getting into the complication of duty days. The main point is that your taxes are always lower if you come from a high tax state than the top rate in that state, and they are always higher if you come from a low tax state.
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As the author pointed out there is no special tax treatment for athletes. It just easier to track athletes. So what the other boneyard stated about how he was treated between New York and Massachusetts on income taxes would be the same for an athlete.
 
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RuffRuff said:
I'd feel good about the hire. In fact, I think he would have been a much better choice for a lot of top tier schools. He's got the moxy and the track record.
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Unless Hodgson brought bags of cash with him, why are you giving him credit for the portal signings? Providence brought in a pretty good team last year, and blew it. Maybe that will become PC’s “thing” in the Portal era.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Unless Hodgson brought bags of cash with him, why are you giving him credit for the portal signings? Providence brought in a pretty good team last year, and blew it. Maybe that will become PC’s “thing” in the Portal era.
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Byrd is top 12. He's designing his own roster. Cash or not, he's landing wanted guys.
 
willstafa24 said:
I don't fully agree with you here. This program has long prided itself on building teams. Prior to NIL there were very few McDonald's All Americans and just a handful of FR and SO leaving early. St johns buying a new team is similar to Kentucky or Duke having four 1 and dones each year.

The pride in the program is succeeding while not doing those things. That's why people have issues with Pitino. It's not buying one player that's bothersome, it's not building a team with guys that you can watch play for 2-4 years. I would hope we never see that with this program
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Absolutely we built teams like this in the past.
But that era is over. In the last two years we have recruited eight freshmen. As of right now, zero are confirmed to be returning, four have transferred, one to the nba, and waiting on word from Ross, Furphy and Mullins. If you believe Dan Hurley, our team will be 2/3 transfers this year. We do seem to look for multi year transfers, but still we are free agent shopping more often than not. We’re always going to try to bring in a couple of top HS guys, but the days of retaining and developing guys is over.
 
RuffRuff said:
Only argument that I'd have is it does take a good year for kids to learn the UConn system. So there is some value in kids learning it year one. Key there would be finding the kid that is willing to be patient, with year 2 upside.
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I 100% would prefer a team of retainees who develop every year, etc. But I liken this to the steroid era in baseball. You know everyone else is doing it so you either or get off the pot… It makes little sense to continue to try and develop guys if it’s possible to have a better player in that role every year. Either Pitino or Cal alluded to this.

And on the UConn system thing, we have guys who may be going into their senior years here who
Still look unsure of what they’re supposed to do out there after three years in the “system.”
 
JwittersPAC said:
As the author pointed out there is no special tax treatment for athletes. It just easier to track athletes. So what the other boneyard stated about how he was treated between New York and Massachusetts on income taxes would be the same for an athlete.
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Sigh. They call it the jock tax because regular workers don't earn in 25 different states over a given year. Because of the duty days calculation, NY does not tax the money earned in other states. All this Hodgson/Russ article did was to get technical about a term that is used as shorthand and isn't official. This is why I pointed you to the link which showed the money breakdown for any given year; no one was taxed at the top rate because they played in other lower tax states.
 
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boog204 said:
Absolutely we built teams like this in the past.
But that era is over. In the last two years we have recruited eight freshmen. As of right now, zero are confirmed to be returning, four have transferred, one to the nba, and waiting on word from Ross, Furphy and Mullins. If you believe Dan Hurley, our team will be 2/3 transfers this year. We do seem to look for multi year transfers, but still we are free agent shopping more often than not. We’re always going to try to bring in a couple of top HS guys, but the days of retaining and developing guys is over.
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Yawn.

Jayden Ross announced he's returning 4 days ago. Likely every UConn rotation player who could come back is coming back except for Reibe.
 
boog204 said:
Absolutely we built teams like this in the past.
But that era is over. In the last two years we have recruited eight freshmen. As of right now, zero are confirmed to be returning, four have transferred, one to the nba, and waiting on word from Ross, Furphy and Mullins. If you believe Dan Hurley, our team will be 2/3 transfers this year. We do seem to look for multi year transfers, but still we are free agent shopping more often than not. We’re always going to try to bring in a couple of top HS guys, but the days of retaining and developing guys is over.
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Very true, but we are not St. John's or Duke or Kentucky or plenty of other schools that create a new team each year. Obviously everything is relative. There was a transition when players began leaving early as a common practice, which Uconn participated, but no where near the level as other programs.

I believe that we will see that 1/3 of the roster be guys who are high schoolers we recruited or a transfer who stays for 2-3 years and that will be the exception. There is a difference between paying 5 of the top 20 transfers to come in each year and building our roster the 'Uconn' way.
 
jibsey said:
He missed the last shot against Duke and now he’s gone or Pitino just recruited over him?
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He got recruited over. They brought in a 6'-5" European professional. Tough spot for St Johns with Darling. He wasn't good enough to be the primary PG on a team the level they are trying to build, so if he's not willing to take the backup role, what can you do? He was originally recruited to back up Jackson at point last year but then it turned out Jackson couldn't pass, handle the ball or play defense so Darling got more minutes than they ever planned.
 
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