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RuffRuff said:
Marquette won at home versus Valpo in OT. Details matter with that one.
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Disappointing for sure with Marquette. I don't know anything about this year's Valporaiso team, but, I know they shouldn't be giving a tough game as visitors to a P6 team.
 
gsmooth said:
Seriously. I don't want to offend the Basketball Gods by saying this, but the other Big East teams need to start carrying their own weight in these OOC games. WTF?!
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Maybe our reward will be in heaven......
 
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Re: Marquette - there will be more teams like this going forward, where an otherwise good coach just whiffs on a roster. Happened with UNC last year.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Re: Marquette - there will be more teams like this going forward, where an otherwise good coach just whiffs on a roster. Happened with UNC last year.
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Shaka is being roasted for adherence to his system and the lack of transfers to fix obvious severe holes coming into this season. The last 2 and 3 games, he has adjusted lineups somewhat and minutes played by certain players but with the lack of competent depth this only goes so far. Someone pointed out Shaka went 11-22 in one of his seasons at Texas and made adjustments before the following season.
 

5. Big East​

Overall non-con record: 61-26 (.701)
Record vs. other four high-major leagues: 13-21
Record vs. ranked opponents: 4-8
Record vs. KenPom Top 50: 7-17
Unbeatens: None

By any and every objective metric, the Big East is a firm fifth in the high-major hierarchy, even with UConn looking like a top-three team. The Huskies' dominance aside, the Big East looks fated to be the worst high-major in 2025-26.

www.cbssports.com

College basketball just had its best November ever. This needs to be the scheduling standard moving forward

The season debut of Matt Norlander's Court Report also power-ranks the Power Five (hello, ACC!) and has more info on the future of Players Era
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
MUFan in CT said:
Shaka is being roasted for adherence to his system and the lack of transfers to fix obvious severe holes coming into this season. The last 2 and 3 games, he has adjusted lineups somewhat and minutes played by certain players but with the lack of competent depth this only goes so far. Someone pointed out Shaka went 11-22 in one of his seasons at Texas and made adjustments before the following season.
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The expected growth just hasn't been there with some of MU's players. I really thought Gold would be better than this by now, for one.
 
Seton Hall leads by 10 at the half, 37-27. Long ball is keeping the Pirates in the game. The Hall is 5 for 9 (56%) from 3PT, while the Devils are just 1 for 9 (11%). Central outscoring a Big East team in the paint 22-14, and is just -2 in rebounding.
 
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2-0 tonight.

Winners: Seton Hall and Georgetown

64-26 (13-21).
 
HooperScooper said:

5. Big East​

Overall non-con record: 61-26 (.701)
Record vs. other four high-major leagues: 13-21
Record vs. ranked opponents: 4-8
Record vs. KenPom Top 50: 7-17
Unbeatens: None

By any and every objective metric, the Big East is a firm fifth in the high-major hierarchy, even with UConn looking like a top-three team. The Huskies' dominance aside, the Big East looks fated to be the worst high-major in 2025-26.

www.cbssports.com

College basketball just had its best November ever. This needs to be the scheduling standard moving forward

The season debut of Matt Norlander's Court Report also power-ranks the Power Five (hello, ACC!) and has more info on the future of Players Era
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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It is like there is a bot that has to make a Big East-bashing post every 30 minutes on this site. The Big East is having a down year. WE GET IT. WE GET IT. WE GET IT.

Despite multiple posters claiming the Big East is a mid-major league, it is light years ahead of conference #6.
 
MUFan in CT said:
Shaka is being roasted for adherence to his system and the lack of transfers to fix obvious severe holes coming into this season. The last 2 and 3 games, he has adjusted lineups somewhat and minutes played by certain players but with the lack of competent depth this only goes so far. Someone pointed out Shaka went 11-22 in one of his seasons at Texas and made adjustments before the following season.
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Comparing pre-NIL/Transfer Portal rosters to today is pointless. This also isn't a situation like Holloway at Seton Hall the last two seasons where he was trying to win with a budget that would cause most A10 coaches to quit. I don't get the sense that Marquette is a poor program, Shaka just made some bad roster choices this offseason and now the team sucks.

Marquette may finish last in the Big East this season. This team is just bad. I don't think Shaka will screw it up this badly again, but college basketball needs to be ready for this because there will be a few of these total roster whiffs every year going forward. Building a new team every year is hard.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
It is like there is a bot that has to make a Big East-bashing post every 30 minutes on this site. The Big East is having a down year. WE GET IT. WE GET IT. WE GET IT.

Despite multiple posters claiming the Big East is a mid-major league, it is light years ahead of conference #6.
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Just quoting the article. I made no claims or opinions. Calm down.
 
gsmooth said:
Seriously. I don't want to offend the Basketball Gods by saying this, but the other Big East teams need to start carrying their own weight in these OOC games. WTF?!
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I think it's entirely possible we go 18-2 (or better) in BE play this year and rack up a overall W/L record similar to the Gonzaga teams of a few years ago bullying the other WCC teams. I will be disappointed if we finish with more than 2 BE losses. Dropping 1 @ St Johns and then 1 other random road loss to say Creighton (please not Seton Hall) wouldn't be that shocking.
 
ctbro1999 said:
I think it's entirely possible we go 18-2 (or better) in BE play this year and rack up a overall W/L record similar to the Gonzaga teams of a few years ago bullying the other WCC teams. I will be disappointed if we finish with more than 2 BE losses. Dropping 1 @ St Johns and then 1 other random road loss to say Creighton (please not Seton Hall) wouldn't be that shocking.
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It really feels like it should be 3 max. One thing to recognize is that we will have large targets on our back on the road. Each of the 10 away games will be the Superbowls for most of these teams that know they have little chance for the tourney.

Some teams are so bad we shouldn't have a problem, but for at least half of those away games, they may have a massive adrenaline advantage. The great thing about Hurley's system is that it can squeeze the adrenaline out quick.
 
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RuffRuff said:
It really feels like it should be 3 max. One thing to recognize is that we will have large targets on our back on the road. Each of the 10 away games will be the Superbowls for most of these teams that know they have little chance for the tourney.

Some teams are so bad we shouldn't have a problem, but for at least half of those away games, they may have a massive adrenaline advantage. The great thing about Hurley's system is that it can squeeze the adrenaline out quick.
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I think a handful of the road games probably won't be a walk in the park (@ Butler/Seton Hall/Villanova/Marquette even) and St Johns at home will be tough regardless. But all those road games are games we should win. But that's why they play the games!
 
HooperScooper said:

5. Big East​

Overall non-con record: 61-26 (.701)
Record vs. other four high-major leagues: 13-21
Record vs. ranked opponents: 4-8
Record vs. KenPom Top 50: 7-17
Unbeatens: None

By any and every objective metric, the Big East is a firm fifth in the high-major hierarchy, even with UConn looking like a top-three team. The Huskies' dominance aside, the Big East looks fated to be the worst high-major in 2025-26.

www.cbssports.com

College basketball just had its best November ever. This needs to be the scheduling standard moving forward

The season debut of Matt Norlander's Court Report also power-ranks the Power Five (hello, ACC!) and has more info on the future of Players Era
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Now take out UConn and there is only 1 win against a ranked team
 
NJHusky said:
Now take out UConn and there is only 1 win against a ranked team
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Tracking a bunch of tomato can wins isn't exhilerating. If it's not a P4 win, who cares.
 
NET update:

8. UConn
18. St. John's
23. Butler
44. Villanova
46. Seton Hall
105. Providence
108. Creighton
110. Xavier
114. Georgetown
167. Marquette
186. DePaul


We need Providence, Creighton, Xavier, and Georgetown to get into the top 100.
 
The league has 31 remaining non-conference contests and I will break them into three categories:

P4 games remaining (16)

Xavier vs. Cincinnati (12/5)
Marquette @ Wisconsin (12/6)
Seton Hall @ Kansas State (12/6)
St. John's vs. Ole Miss (12/6)
Georgetown @ North Carolina (12/7)
Creighton @ Nebraska (12/7)
Villanova @ Michigan (12/9)
UConn vs. Florida (MSG) (12/9)
UConn vs. Texas (12/12)
Marquette @ Purdue (12/13)
Creighton vs. Kansas State (12/13)
Villanova vs. Pittsburgh (12/13)
Seton Hall vs. Rutgers (12/13)
Villanova @ Wisconsin (12/19)
St. John's vs. Kentucky (Atlanta) (12/20)
Butler vs. Northwestern (12/20)


Other notable mid-major games remaining (5)

Providence vs. Rhode Island (12/6)
Butler vs. Boise State (12/6)
Villanova vs. Penn (12/6)
Xavier vs. Missouri State (12/12)
DePaul @ Wichita State (12/13)

Cupcake games (10)

UConn vs. East Texas A&M (12/5)
DePaul vs. Arkansas-Pine Bluff (12/6)
Providence vs. Brown (12/9)
DePaul vs. Morgan State (12/9)
St. John's vs. Iona (12/13)
Georgetown vs. Saint Peter's (12/13)
Butler vs. NJIT (12/22)
Georgetown vs. Coppin State (12/22)
Creighton vs. Utah Tech (12/22)
St. John's vs. Harvard (12/23)
 
I definitely think there is still a slim possibility to get 5 bids, and I think 4 bids is 55/45 right now.

The league obviously needs to go 10-0 in the cupcake games.

With regards to the other notables, the game I am most concerned about is DePaul @ Wichita State. We need to go at least 4-1 in those games and hopefully DePaul can get the fifth win.

With regards to the P4 games, we are currently sitting at 13-21. Last year we got five teams in with an 18-23 record against the P4. We play 50 P4 games this year instead of 41 but I think a similar winning percentage will give us a chance at 5 bids.

If the league finishes 23-27 against the P4 and wins at least 14 of the other 15 games, there is almost no mathematical way the league finishes worse than 4th overall and gets less than four bids. Five would be 50/50 at that point.

Diving into the P4 games, this means the league needs to go 10-6 the rest of the way.

There are three games I don't see the league winning (I would put at under 25% odds):

Georgetown @ North Carolina
Villanova @ Michigan
Marquette @ Purdue

That leaves thirteen games to get ten wins from.

Games the league should win (I would put at over 65% odds):

St. John's vs. Ole Miss
UConn vs. Texas
Villanova vs. Pittsburgh

That leaves us with ten tossup games where we need to go 7-3 (I have my predictions next to each matchup):

Xavier vs. Cincinnati (L)
Marquette @ Wisconsin (L)
Seton Hall @ Kansas State (W)
Creighton @ Nebraska (L)
UConn vs. Florida (W)
Creighton vs. Kansas State (W)
Seton Hall vs. Rutgers (W)
Villanova @ Wisconsin (L)
St. John's vs. Kentucky (L)
Butler vs. Northwestern (W)

I have us going 5-5. Xavier winning tomorrow would be a nice bellwether in the right direction.

All in all, I think if we finish 21-29 against the P4 and go 14-1 against the non-P4, we will get 4 bids.
 
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shizzle787 said:
I definitely think there is still a slim possibility to get 5 bids, and I think 4 bids is 55/45 right now.

The league obviously needs to go 10-0 in the cupcake games.

With regards to the other notables, the game I am most concerned about is DePaul @ Wichita State. We need to go at least 4-1 in those games and hopefully DePaul can get the fifth win.

With regards to the P4 games, we are currently sitting at 13-21. Last year we got five teams in with an 18-23 record against the P4. We play 50 P4 games this year instead of 41 but I think a similar winning percentage will give us a chance at 5 bids.

If the league finishes 23-27 against the P4 and wins at least 14 of the other 15 games, there is almost no mathematical way the league finishes worse than 4th overall and gets less than four bids. Five would be 50/50 at that point.

Diving into the P4 games, this means the league needs to go 10-6 the rest of the way.

There are three games I don't see the league winning (I would put at under 25% odds):

Georgetown @ North Carolina
Villanova @ Michigan
Marquette @ Purdue

That leaves thirteen games to get ten wins from.

Games the league should win (I would put at over 65% odds):

St. John's vs. Ole Miss
UConn vs. Texas
Villanova vs. Pittsburgh

That leaves us with ten tossup games where we need to go 7-3 (I have my predictions next to each matchup):

Xavier vs. Cincinnati (L)
Marquette @ Wisconsin (L)
Seton Hall @ Kansas State (W)
Creighton @ Nebraska (L)
UConn vs. Florida (W)
Creighton vs. Kansas State (W)
Seton Hall vs. Rutgers (W)
Villanova @ Wisconsin (L)
St. John's vs. Kentucky (L)
Butler vs. Northwestern (W)

I have us going 5-5. Xavier winning tomorrow would be a nice bellwether in the right direction.

All in all, I think if we finish 21-29 against the P4 and go 14-1 against the non-P4, we will get 4 bids.
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I applaud your effort and your optimism. I felt this was going to be a bad year for the BE. It was the wild west for NIL and this conference doesn't have as many schools with the same type of donor backing as the universities in the power conferences. We'll see how this plays out over the next two or three years with the "oversight" and rules about NIL.

My concern for the BE is it's gradually getting locked out of playing the P4 schools. It will be harder to build great resumes without that ability.
 
ctchamps said:
I applaud your effort and your optimism. I felt this was going to be a bad year for the BE. It was the wild west for NIL and this conference doesn't have as many schools with the same type of donor backing as the universities in the power conferences. We'll see how this plays out over the next two or three years with the "oversight" and rules about NIL.

My concern for the BE is it's gradually getting locked out of playing the P4 schools. It will be harder to build great resumes without that ability.
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We aren't though. We play 50 P4 schools this year. We only played 41 last year. We have no issue scheduling P4 teams.
 
KenPom rankings:

6. UConn
18. St. John's
40. Villanova
41. Butler
56. Creighton
64. Seton Hall
71. Providence
80. Xavier
86. Marquette
87. Georgetown
117. DePaul
 
Evan Miya rankings:

5. UConn
16. St. John's
44. Butler
45. Villanova
55. Creighton
62. Seton Hall
76. Providence
77. Marquette
81. Georgetown
88. Xavier
129. DePaul
 
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