Big East NET Rankings

[HooperScooper]

You are digging deep to look for things to disagree with me about.

In summary, you are defending metrics systems as perfect when they are deeply flawed and their owners are even saying have serious limitations. I work with a lot of models, and I always apply a common sense test to see if the model makes sense. In this case, the models are identifying this year's SEC as one of the best conferences in history, yet that SEC has a losing record against the other majors, and no one can explain why that obvious contradiction exists.

 

[auror]

Look no further than quality wins (usually against other tourney teams) as the main criteria. This is a criteria the BE is sorely lacking in. Measuring league strength based on bad teams beating each other up isn’t much if you ask me.

Give me our top 3 league wins outside of UConn?

Nova over Wisconsin in Milwaukee, Butler over Virginia in West Virginia, St. John's over Baylor in Vegas, and Seton Hall over NC State in Maui.

 

[superjohn]

Look no further than quality wins (usually against other tourney teams) as the main criteria. This is a criteria the BE is sorely lacking in. Measuring league strength based on bad teams beating each other up isn’t much if you ask me.

Give me our top 3 league wins outside of UConn?

Probably Butler over Virginia in what was essentially a home game for Virginia, Nova over Wisconsin in Milwaukee, and Seton Hall over NC State.

Curious if you don't include the best team in every other power basketball conference when you look at this stuff? Did you exclude Duke from the ACC last season and constantly post about how much the ACC sucks all of last season while not including Duke?

 

[Get a Job]

Nova over Wisconsin in Milwaukee, Butler over Virginia in West Virginia, St. John's over Baylor in Vegas, and Seton Hall over NC State in Maui.

Typical misinformation from you again! He said to name the top THREE wins!

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Probably Butler over Virginia in what was essentially a home game for Virginia, Nova over Wisconsin in Milwaukee, and Seton Hall over NC State.

Curious if you don't include the best team in every other power basketball conference when you look at this stuff? Did you exclude Duke from the ACC last season and constantly post about how much the ACC sucks all of last season while not including Duke?

Fair enough, take out the top team from every conference, then compare.

I have a strong suspicion that you won't like the results, at least not when specific to this season.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

In summary, you misrepresent my argument, because that's how you argue. Show me where I say they are perfect. I would consider my stance that certain metrics are the best tool we have for the job, as long as you are using the right tool for the specific job you have in mind.

I think the distinctions I raised from your previous post are important and it was worth pointing out so you don't continue spreading misconceptions. Predictive metrics are good at what they do and better than the alternatives, but the things they measure (what team is likely better) should not be what the committee values when selecting the teams for the tournament. Bids should be earned with achievement. Wins and losses are what matter for achievement, and resume metrics do a much better job of measuring achievement.

We are on page 4 of this thread, plus several pages of another thread, of me saying almost everything you say in the second paragraph, and you are making a stream of insults and attacks against me.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Look no further than quality wins (usually against other tourney teams) as the main criteria. This is a criteria the BE is sorely lacking in. Measuring league strength based on bad teams beating each other up isn’t much if you ask me.

Give me our top 3 league wins outside of UConn?

Cool story, bro.

 

[auror]

We are on page 4 of this thread, plus several pages of another thread, of me saying almost everything you say in the second paragraph, and you are making a stream of insults and attacks against me.

We agree on plenty of things on this topic, which is why I made that long post mostly in support of what you've said. But not everything. The things that make up the difference "almost" and everything have been what we've been arguing about. But I'm pedantic and you're insufferable, so we're bound to clash.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

We agree on plenty of things on this topic, which is why I made that long post mostly in support of what you've said. But not everything. The things that make up the difference "almost" and everything have been what we've been arguing about. But I'm pedantic and you're insufferable, so we're bound to clash.

St. John’s had the #24 offense in KenPom. He should teach the model to watch St. John’s play.

 

[pepband99]

Lookie loo, my Duke example came true already, albeit not that drastically. A close road win against FSU dropped their Kenpom ranking. RPI would have given them a bonus for playing in front of friends and family in Tallahassee.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Lookie loo, my Duke example came true already, albeit not that drastically. A close road win against FSU dropped their Kenpom ranking. RPI would have given them a bonus for playing in front of friends and family in Tallahassee.

Playing FSU dropped Duke in the RPI too.

 

[pepband99]

Playing FSU dropped Duke in the RPI too.

Yes, but not as much as it should, because the RPI treats winning in Tallahassee as hard as winning in Phog Allen or Conte or Tulane.