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UConnDan97 said:
By the way, if anyone in "the know" could slap down when the contracts of the bigger conferences expire, that would help me put this 6-year contract into perspective (I know that the ACC doesn't re-up for quite some time).[/I]
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ACC, SEC and Big 12 are through the early 2020s. I believe the Pac12 is through 2018. Big Ten is up next and will be a landmark deal.
 
Fishy said:
As I understand it, ESPN has the right to match the offer - there's no bidding war out there.

Having nothing to go on, I'm guessing that ESPN passes on the deal and completes what they set out to do.
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Disagree. They use us for their 'station car' you know the piece of crap that you leave in the station lot not carring if it gets beat on while you keep the Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG in the garage at home.

We'll be their to plug wholes and fill undesirable time slots, while their on air commentators crap all over us...and as absolutely crappy that is, it is still better than being on NBCsports.
 
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...in-on-television-deal-20130212,0,2171915.post

"For UCF, it’s an especially disappointing revelation. The program was hoping to take a major step in its growth, especially financially, from moving to the Big East. Now, they will be making only a small amount more than what they earned in Conference USA. According to most reports, the C-USA deal paid an average of $1.17 million to member schools."
 
Read Mark Blaudschun's article in the other thread. In his version, there are look-in intervals to adjust the contract upwards FWIW. Yikes!
 
coachcap said:
Read Mark Blaudschun's article in the other thread. In his version, there are look-in intervals to adjust the contract upwards FWIW. Yikes!
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It'd be much better if they had an opt-out clause instead.

I know they can't get one, but it'd be nice.
 
Ridiculously low price. My guess is at least SMU, Tulane, ECU, Memphis and Temple dragged down the value, in the eyes of TV execs. This should put a fire under our administration's rear end.
 
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zls44 said:
ACC, SEC and Big 12 are through the early 2020s. I believe the Pac12 is through 2018. Big Ten is up next and will be a landmark deal.
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The PAC-12 deal runs through '23-24.
The Big-12 deal runs through '24-25.
The ACC's deal expires in '26-27. (Despite claims to the contrary, the deal pays out less than $17M a year per school.)

The intrigue -

The SEC's first tier deal with CBS and second tier deal with ESPN both expire in '23-24. However, those deals are due for renegotiating. The Tier I deal with CBS will likely improve, but the Tier 2 deal with ESPN will be shredded and rewritten for the new SEC Network that will launch in '14. Given their ratings, the SEC will likely jump to near Big Ten-ish revenue.

The Big Ten's Tier I deal with ESPN expires in '16-17. They have a hoop contract with CBS expires in '16 - that contract alone is nearly worth more than we're getting from NBC. The deal with Fox for their football championship game, ($145m), expires in '16 as well. Cash will replace field turf as the surface of choice at Big Ten fields.

Their Tier 2 rights are own by the Big Ten Network until 2032.
 
Approving this deal would be the stupidest possible move that Herbst could make in what has been an avalanche of stupid moves.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Approving this deal would be the stupidest possible move that Herbst could make in what has been an avalanche of stupid moves.
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17-3 vote (deal will technically include ND, UL and the C7), with the no votes being UConn, USF and Cincy.

Then...?
 
It's time to recognize that the NBE isn't a temporary life raft for UConn athletics -- it's an anchor tied to our necks. As the biggest remaining athletic department, our "share" of the TV deal was always going to undervalue us. But what $2M per team says that we aren't even contributing to the overall pot because folks are discounting our membership in the NBE (on the perceived likelihood we leave). It's not so much a problem of dilution of the value UConn brings to the table by us having to share it with Tulane and UCF -- it's a problem of that value just evaporating.

Say NBC thinks UConn alone (as part of the NBE) is worth $8M a year for 6 years. But they think there's a 75% chance we're gone in two years. They're only willing to add $24M over 6 years to their bid for us (8+8+2+2+2+2), rather than the $48M we're worth to them because they don't want to pay and then get caught holding the bag. So $24M in our value just evaporates into the ether. It's an enormous deadweight loss. We don't get it, UCF doesn't get it -- it's just gone.

UConn needs to think outside the box about how to position ourselves to recapture some of this value. We can't do that in the NBE. One way to do that is to talk to the C7 about defecting with them. They don't want us because they think we'll leave as well -- but we could offer to pony up a sizable enough departure fee to make it worth their while. That keeps basketball relevant. We'd also make more per year under that contract and would be free to sell football as a stand-alone entity for whatever incremental money we can get. Yes, we'd have to go independent, but the NBE schedule would be such trash that we could come up with something just as good by offering attractive contracts to top BCS teams (e.g. 2 away, 1 Rentschler, 1 MetLife/Foxboro). We stand a better chance of capturing our TV value this way because whoever buys the rights would only pay for the time they have them -- if we go elsewhere, they're not stuck paying. And before anyone posts about how this is suicide and our best play is to "make the best of it" in the NBE, keep in mind that the NBE TV contract value we'd be throwing away values our football at precisely $0 (if not worse).
 
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VAHuskyFan said:
Yes, we'd have to go independent, but the NBE schedule would be such trash that we could come up with something just as good by offering attractive contracts to top BCS teams (e.g. 2 away, 1 Rentschler, 1 MetLife/Foxboro).
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There.
Aren't.
Enough.
Teams.
To.
Play.
 
Fishy said:
As I understand it, ESPN has the right to match the offer - there's no bidding war out there

Having nothing to go on, I'm guessing that ESPN passes on the deal and completes what they set out to do.
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Wouldn't they get more by opting in for only 20 small, then burying us behind 2am motocross?
 
I'm absolutely speechless right now. We are seeing the end of our programs as we know it. No way around it. Even if we dominate this dumpster fire we arent going anywhere. With the big boys looking to plsy more conference games there's no more opportunities for schools like us. I'm just in total disbelief.

Like everyone said....just when you thought it couldn't get worse....just wait a few days.

On a side note. ...anyone think some of the new schools back out besides Navy? They can stay in C-USA and hope for a MWC invite (thinking UH and SMU).

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Fishy said:
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The ACC's deal expires in '26-27. (Despite claims to the contrary, the deal pays out less than $17M a year per school.)
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Or to put it another way.....about 8 times what we will be getting.
 
If the women's basketball team gets about half this amount per year themselves either sny grossly overpaid,not! Or I believe us and cincinatti are already gone to another conference. There is no way football n basketball are worth less than 10-15 mil a year in this economy. Also there is no 2014 schedule yet. My only hope is behind the scenes we are already in a new conference.
 
The AP isn't what it was. It's a shoestring org. And other than the quote about "two deepthroat sources inside the BE" it was a regurgitation of what we've already read. I don't doubt NBC's lowball offer nor the lack of value in the BE. What is still in question is whether Aresco is hot for this.
 
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zls44 said:
17-3 vote (deal will technically include ND, UL and the C7), with the no votes being UConn, USF and Cincy.

Then...?
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They won't be voting on the deal. Voting rights are eliminated once you announce intention to leave.

But why would UConn vote against the only TV deal offered?
 
zls44 said:
There.
Aren't.
Enough.
Teams.
To.
Play.
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There are plenty of teams to play. For this coming season -- which would be the toughest hurdle logistically -- there are still teams that need a game: Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Marshall, and Missouri. There are also 4 Mountain West teams with remaining space to schedule a 13th game under the Hawaii Exemption. Army also plays at Hawaii and has room for a 13th game. And keep in mind too that schools break contracts all the time. If we can offer attractive terms to teams with relatively small buy-out games on their schedule, we can add even from the list of teams that are currently "locked up." We won't get there by offering home-and-homes, but 2-for-1s or 2-1-1s would gain us some purchase.

Finally, if we wind up needing a few extra games to complete the picture, call up 2 teams at a time with games scheduled against each other and ask if they'd be amenable to each replacing that game with the start of a UConn series. For a bunch of mid major teams, the answer would be yes.

"Not enough teams" is an excuse, not a reason.
 
VAHuskyFan said:
Finally, if we wind up needing a few extra games to complete the picture, call up 2 teams at a time with games scheduled against each other and ask if they'd be amenable to each replacing that game with the start of a UConn series. For a bunch of mid major teams, the answer would be yes.
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"Hey, Troy and Miami (Oh)...we know you guys have a mutual home-and-home series scheduled and everything, but how'd you like to completely disrupt your schedule for the chance to play in the recruiting hotbed of East Hartford, Connecticut against a team from a mid-major conference on NBC Sports Network?"
 
My problem with all this is I don't see how Tulsa, ECU, Tulane and a Championship game weren't dilutive to UConn basketball.
 
RS9999X said:
My problem with all this is I don't see how Tulsa, ECU, Tulane and a Championship game weren't dilutive to UConn basketball.
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Tulsa is not in the NBE nor will it ever be. Navy wont join in all likelihood so a 12th team is not needed.

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zls44 said:
"Hey, Troy and Miami (Oh)...we know you guys have a mutual home-and-home series scheduled and everything, but how'd you like to completely disrupt your schedule for the chance to play in the recruiting hotbed of East Hartford, Connecticut against a team from a mid-major conference on NBC Sports Network?"
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Your argument seems to be that our football program has no value to offer opponents. If you believe that, then we might as well just shut it down and join the C7 anyway because we're never getting an invite anywhere else. It's not an argument for staying in the NBE.

I don't believe that. A home-and-home offer from UConn is an upgrade for a mid major over playing another mid major. It doesn't "completely disrupt" anything. Team A was scheduled to host Team B on x date? They host us instead on the same date. Team B plays away at the Rent during their current bye week and the former A-B matchup becomes the bye week.

The issue is opportunity cost. What would we be giving up to join the C7 and go Independent in football? At $2M per year with crappy opponents, I can't think of anything, except maybe the "opportunity" to make less TV money while destroying our basketball program in the process. Under any sort of normal circumstances you do not do this, but this scenario is so bad that we essentially aren't giving anything up by leaving.
 
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On the bright side, you don't have to worry about being on ESPN 3 anymore. More games will be on regular NBC channels.

I have Time Warner Cable, and the NBC Sports Network HD is right there alongside the ESPNs. It may have been time for a change.
 
VAHuskyFan said:
Your argument seems to be that our football program has no value to offer opponents. If you believe that, then we might as well just shut it down and join the C7 anyway because we're never getting an invite anywhere else. It's not an argument for staying in the NBE.

I don't believe that. A home-and-home offer from UConn is an upgrade for a mid major over playing another mid major. It doesn't "completely disrupt" anything. Team A was scheduled to host Team B on x date? They host us instead on the same date. Team B plays away at the Rent during their current bye week and the former A-B matchup becomes the bye week.

The issue is opportunity cost. What would we be giving up to join the C7 and go Independent in football? At $2M per year with crappy opponents, I can't think of anything, except maybe the "opportunity" to make less TV money while destroying our basketball program in the process. Under any sort of normal circumstances you do not do this, but this scenario is so bad that we essentially aren't giving anything up by leaving.
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The main benefit in keeping football in the Big East is scheduling and bowl alliances. What bowl alliances do we get as an independent?
 
ZooCougar said:
It's also what we are worth on the market.
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Well I gots me a theory on that.

NBC wanted some certainty as to members and so asked for GOR. Aresco said hey help me sell this give me the w/GOR # and the w/o GOR #. NBC lowballed the no GOR no # to induce schools to grant one. Connecticut (and possibly Cinci) refused to agree to a GOR. Thus the conference is left with craptastic lowball number and Aresco treats us as we were dead to him.

What do you think?
 
If he asked Cincy and UConn for a GOR, then he shouldn't be in charge.

The Big East is a risky partner to do business with at the moment. Can't really see us getting much more than CUSA and company.

CL82 said:
Well I gots me a theory on that.

NBC wanted some certainty as to members and so asked for GOR. Aresco said hey help me sell this give me the w/GOR # and the w/o GOR #. NBC lowballed the no GOR no # to induce schools to grant one. Connecticut (and possibly Cinci) refused to agree to a GOR. Thus the conference is left with craptastic lowball number and Aresco treats us as we were dead to him.

What do you think?
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