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How much money does UConn make in the Big East plus playing football as an independent versus what was made in the American?
 
Rufus said:
How much money does UConn make in the Big East plus playing football as an independent versus what was made in the American?
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Just media rights money is about $4.5 million. $4M BE, $500k CBS Sports for football. I think it’s the time we left a more detailed analysis showed it to be roughly break even or slightly more profitable, given they were greater expenses being a part of the American. I remember that Susan Herbst estimated the savings of being in the Big East for travel costs would be about $2 million per year. Plus we save the production costs on sports, other than football which I think ESPN was going to pay.

Keep in mind that being in the Big East is good for Connecticut’s brain value which affects our IMG and Nike contracts.
 
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coachcap said:
Okay Val, pick from Duke, North Carolina, Gonzaga, bringing back Miami & Syracuse, UCLA the entire B1G. No one else matters.
AND not happening!
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Emily Dickinson College, AIC, Alfred University, and Vassar.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
Emily Dickinson College, AIC, Alfred University, and Vassar.
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Does Alfred University teach people how to be a butler/support for ninja vigilanteism? Because that would be kind of cool.
 
CL82 said:
Just media rights money is about $4.5 million. $4M BE, $500k CBS Sports for football. I think it’s the time we left a more detailed analysis showed it to be roughly break even or slightly more profitable, given they were greater expenses being a part of the American. I remember that Susan Herbst estimated the savings of being in the Big East for travel costs would be about $2 million per year. Plus we save the production costs on sports, other than football which I think ESPN was going to pay.

Keep in mind that being in the Big East is good for Connecticut’s brain value which affects our IMG and Nike contracts.
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There's also every reason to assume that revenue from basketball tickets and donations will also be higher in the Big East.
 
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CL82 said:
Just media rights money is about $4.5 million. $4M BE, $500k CBS Sports for football. I think it’s the time we left a more detailed analysis showed it to be roughly break even or slightly more profitable, given they were greater expenses being a part of the American. I remember that Susan Herbst estimated the savings of being in the Big East for travel costs would be about $2 million per year. Plus we save the production costs on sports, other than football which I think ESPN was going to pay.

Keep in mind that being in the Big East is good for Connecticut’s brain value which affects our IMG and Nike contracts.
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I believe the $4.5M is before tournament units get dispersed. So if the league is sending 6-8 teams to the tournament annually, and it’s approx $1.2M/game appearance, that check grows sizably larger.
 
CL82 said:
Does Alfred University teach people how to be a butler/support for ninja vigilanteism? Because that would be kind of cool.
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I wonder if “Carson” went there? Lol
 
I think the Billikens would be a great addition to the NBE. It's a great school in a great market for all sports including soccer and baseball. Dan Donigan was coach there for 10 years before he left for NJSU and was recently let go.

"The school has heavily invested in its on-campus athletic facilities in the past twenty years with the creation of Hermann Stadium and Chaifetz Arena. Chris May is the current director of athletics of the St. Louis Billikens."

I'm a big believer in: "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts." Plus it's a key puzzle piece.
"Gateway to the West"

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St Louis is nice and all, but the identity of the Big East is definitely more eastern. Creighton was a great addition, but I’m not sure between Creighton, DePaul, Butler and Xavier that heading back west for St Louis makes much sense. Sure, you get a little more programming, but everytime you add a school that just isn’t a traditional fit, you risk diluting the brand. Our identity is NYC, Boston, Philly, DC and Baltimore. Of course you grab a presence in basketball hotbeds like Indiana and Chicago given the chance, but St Louis? Idk.
 
I just don't see the appeal of adding St Louis. We don't need a second Depaul in the conference. For all we know, big name football could break away from the NCAA and conferences as we know them could get pretty unstable. I'd rather add Wake Forest or NC State over St Louis. Let's aim up or at least laterally rather than looking down.
 
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Fans are already lukewarm about attending games v. Butler, DePaul, and even what amounted to a decent Creighton team last season. I promise you it would be even worse if UConn welcomed St. Louis to the XL Center or Gampel. Don't overthink this. The only school that could move up conferences to the Big East that moves the needle is Gonzaga.

Any other school suggested would be a bad choice and isn't happening anyway since it won't enhance the TV deal.
 
Hoophound said:
St Louis is nice and all, but the identity of the Big East is definitely more eastern. Creighton was a great addition, but I’m not sure between Creighton, DePaul, Butler and Xavier that heading back west for St Louis makes much sense. Sure, you get a little more programming, but everytime you add a school that just isn’t a traditional fit, you risk diluting the brand. Our identity is NYC, Boston, Philly, DC and Baltimore. Of course you grab a presence in basketball hotbeds like Indiana and Chicago given the chance, but St Louis? Idk.
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Half the identity is as you described. The other half is clearly Midwest: Chicago, Cincinatti, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, and perhaps St. Louis. Or Virginia. Or North Carolina. It is what it is, not what it used to be.
 
Storrs South said:
Fans are already lukewarm about attending games v. Butler, DePaul, and even what amounted to a decent Creighton team last season. I promise you it would be even worse if UConn welcomed St. Louis to the XL Center or Gampel. Don't overthink this. The only school that could move up conferences to the Big East that moves the needle is Gonzaga.

Any other school suggested would be a bad choice and isn't happening anyway since it won't enhance the TV deal.
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Kolumbo said:
Half the identity is as you described. The other half is clearly Midwest: Chicago, Cincinatti, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, and perhaps St. Louis. Or Virginia. Or North Carolina. It is what it is, not what it used to be.
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Yeah. I don’t see it that way Kolumbo. We may have those schools in the Big East, but when most college basketball fans think Big East, they think UConn, Nova, St John’s, Georgetown and MSG.

I have no issue with the Midwest schools we already have, but adding more seems totally unnecessary. There is no one worth adding.
 
Unless the networks force a need for more inventory (games) to the point where they are willing to pay each school more than they are currently getting, there is little to no value in adding a middling school like St. Louis. Particularly when the addition means you could be giving up a marketable second matchup between UConn and Creighton or UConn and Marquette to facilitate the game(s) with St. Louis.
 
Kolumbo said:
It's been posted in an Alunmi thread that UCONN's endowment is $779 million. It's showing $799 million. That's a pretty big jump compared to the sub-$500 mill I'm used to seeing.

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The link shows $602 million not $799. so no idea where that is coming from. Still a nice jump from It was valued at $476 million last year.

The $799 figure was updated on wiki a couple weeks ago so it is possible someone from the university jumped in and modified it to show the 2022 number before the annual report is published. but I don't see any sourcing for it (yet).

If it is $799 now, that is a near doubling of the endowment in 2 years which would be a tremendous accomplishment.
 
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Storrs South said:
The link shows $602 million not $799. so no idea where that is coming from. Still a nice jump from It was valued at $476 million last year.

The $799 figure was updated on wiki a couple weeks ago so it is possible someone from the university jumped in and modified it to show the 2022 number before the annual report is published. but I don't see any sourcing for it (yet).

If it is $799 now, that is a near doubling of the endowment in 2 years which would be a tremendous accomplishment.
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All the university endowment funds ( law, medical , etc) were recently merged into one account.
 
Storrs South said:
The link shows $602 million not $799. so no idea where that is coming from. Still a nice jump from It was valued at $476 million last year.

The $799 figure was updated on wiki a couple weeks ago so it is possible someone from the university jumped in and modified it to show the 2022 number before the annual report is published. but I don't see any sourcing for it (yet).

If it is $799 now, that is a near doubling of the endowment in 2 years which would be a tremendous accomplishment.
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Per the UConn 2000 report dated January 2022 to state legislature. The UConn Foundation has raised $64 million in the first months of Fiscal Year 2022. That’s over 2/3 of the amount ($91 million) raised in FY 2021. FY 2022 donations probably will be the most ever raised.

“For the first six months of Fiscal Year 2022, the Foundation raised $64 million in new gifts and commitments, $21 million designated to endowed accounts and $43 million to restricted.
• Eversource Energy Service Company $13.6 to support the Eversource Energy Center
•Mr. Peter J. Werth, Jr. ‘15 $7.5 million to support the Peter J. Werth Institute
• Mr. Gregory M. Susla, PHARM ’80 $2 million to support the School of Pharmacy
• Bank of America $2 million to support the Dodd Center”
 
LoyalFanCT said:
Maybe better question is what Big East team wants to leave
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UConn, please say UConn! Especially if the add is St Louis or VCU. Nothing says big time like adding mid-majors. Maybe they’ll be as successful as Butler or (gag) DePaul.

The New Big East should just say no to expansion unless it is an existing major program in the exiting league footprint. And since none of them are coming, just say no.

And we ain’t getting double our current payout, either. Maybe we get 6-6.5 million, outside we get $7, but with the only true national power losing its coach, it isn’t the best of times to be renegotiating a media deal. It is a bunch of wannabes at this point. St Johns in the Top 25, LOL!
 
If you really want to add some spice to conference realignment discussion, there is a school of thought that suggests the ACC will eventually get carved up by the SEC and the Big 10, leaving some stragglers that could be Big East targets as football independents. That might be wishful thinking, but Wake Forest and BC would be a better long term play than jumping at St. Louis and VCU.
 
DFW HOYA said:
If you really want to add some spice to conference realignment discussion, there is a school of thought that suggests the ACC will eventually get carved up by the SEC and the Big 10, leaving some stragglers that could be Big East targets as football independents. That might be wishful thinking, but Wake Forest and BC would be a better long term play than jumping at St. Louis and VCU.
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I agree with the first part, but I’m doubtful about the second. A more likely scenario is the schools left behind reorganize into their own new all-sports league. I suppose if there were a few more independents, scheduling would be somewhat easier, but it is still tricky. There just isn’t a team that moves the needle out there on the basketball side except Gonzaga, and Gonzaga makes zero sense in ever other way possible. Just say no at this point.
 
freescooter said:
I agree with the first part, but I’m doubtful about the second. A more likely scenario is the schools left behind reorganize into their own new all-sports league. I suppose if there were a few more independents, scheduling would be somewhat easier, but it is still tricky. There just isn’t a team that moves the needle out there on the basketball side except Gonzaga, and Gonzaga makes zero sense in ever other way possible. Just say no at this point.
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I know the Big East is against adding football schools and going back to that model, but it may someday prove to have been a great idea before it’s time. An eastern conference of northeastern and mid Atlantic football schools combined with the Big East basketball schools looks pretty good when you start looking at who will likely need a home again someday.

I would think a school like Syracuse would rather play Big East basketball and then play football against UConn, BC, Wake, NC St, WVU etc. on the football side than just play the realignment rejects in all sports. That would leave Cuse with only a couple of rivalries and once again in a far northern outpost of a more mid Atlantic/southern conference.

Of course, a reinvented ACC could be pretty good for us if it was Cuse, Pitt, WVU, BC, UConn, NC State, Wake, UCF/USF and maybe one or two of Miami, Duke, Cincy, Virginia Tech, FSU or Georgia Tech.
 
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