Big East bubble

[UCTitleTown]

The only teams getting in barring an upset at the Big East Tournament are UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Seton Hall and maybe Providence. The rest need to make the Big East Final or win it to get in.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

The only teams getting in barring an upset at the Big East Tournament are UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Seton Hall and maybe Providence. The rest need to make the Big East Final or win it to get in.

Nova can win their way in, they beat UNC.

 

[shizzle787]

Nova can win their way in, they beat UNC.

St. John's can too. They have a good SOS overall but an easy schedule ahead.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

I'm actively rooting for Butler to make it.

Huge slate lined up for them where they can essentially write-in their ticket to the tournament if they go 4-1 the rest of the regular season.

 

[freescooter]

How can St Johns still be on anyone’s bubble. They have lost 8 of 10. Three straight. The eye test tells you they stink. If they end up in, they should give their share to Pitino, cause it only happed so CBS can fawn over the “remarkable” job he did turning the Red Storm around.

 

[Matt1010]

Butler missed a great opportunity yesterday. Getting blown out rather than keeping it competitive only made it that much worse.

I have no idea how accurate Bart Torvik’s Tourneycast took is, but here’s how it looks as of this morning.

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I'm usually a big Torvik fan but this can't be anywhere close to accurate. No way Nova/SJU have a ~50% chance and are above Butler/SH/PC.

 

[navery12]

I'm usually a big Torvik fan but this can't be anywhere close to accurate. No way Nova/SJU have a ~50% chance and are above Butler/SH/PC.

I don't think it is. Bracket Matrix has Butler a step above everyone else and pretty safely in (10 seed and in on 99/102 brackets). PC and Seton Hall are basically right on the bubble (in on about half and a quarter of brackets respectively). St John's and Villanova only in on a handful of brackets and most are from before yesterday's loss

Edit: Torvik is forward looking, and expecting St John's to basically win out with their remaining schedule other than losing to Butler, and Butler has a bunch of tough games remaining

 

[nelsonmuntz]

There are only 4 Big East teams in the Top 50 of NET. It is time for Butler, Seton Hall, Providence, Xavier and St. Johns to be officially worried, and while Villanova has a good NET, they have a lousy record and a lot of bad losses.

 

[storrsroars]

There are only 4 Big East teams in the Top 50 of NET. It is time for Butler, Seton Hall, Providence, Xavier and St. Johns to be officially worried, and while Villanova has a good NET, they have a lousy record and a lot of bad losses.

SJU and X should just start making plans for the NIT.

Of the other three, despite Hall's NET, they have one important stat in their favor: 5-5 vs Q1.

I like looking at BracketMatrix this time of year for sort of a consensus group think. Right now Butler is a 10 and Providence and Hall are first two out.

SJU and X got no votes today.

 

[auror]

I'm usually a big Torvik fan but this can't be anywhere close to accurate. No way Nova/SJU have a ~50% chance and are above Butler/SH/PC.

Torvik is outlier high on St Johns. like 15 spots higher than other metrics.

Nova is high in most of the metrics, so it's assumed for these projections that they'll win more remaining games than other teams.

 

[mauconnfan]

Funny to see @kobe come over here talking “mid-major” for the Big East then you look at @auror showing their strength of schedule. They don’t even play a mid-major schedule at #298 they play a Division II OOC schedule

 

[kobe]

Funny to see @kobe come over here talking “mid-major” for the Big East then you look at @auror showing their strength of schedule. They don’t even play a mid-major schedule at #298 they play a Division II OOC schedule

the church leaguers love to say this without the hint of irony that they play 3 Q4 games in league play thanks to depaul and georgetown while only playing 11 non-con games (whereas the big 12 (real conference) teams play 13). sneaky lil way for the mid-majors to game the system.

overall sos:
providence 57
seton hall 43
cincinnati (power conference member) 35

 

[mauconnfan]

the church leaguers love to say this without the hint of irony that they play 3 Q4 games in league play thanks to depaul and georgetown while only playing 11 non-con games (whereas the big 12 (real conference) teams play 13). sneaky lil way for the mid-majors to game the system.

overall sos:
providence 57
seton hall 43
cincinnati (power conference member) 35

You played one church league team in your OOC schedule, the X beat you. The only other good team you played was the A10s Flyers, they beat you easy. 4-7 in a decent league this is the furthest from a tourney team unable to beat anyone decent. But they can handle No Kentucky, Merrimack and Bryant

 

[TyroneShoo]

One more stat I should have included...

Wins Against Teams Under Consideration:
Nova: 7-7
St. John's: 5-9
Butler - 6-9
Xavier - 7-9
Providence - 6-8
Seton Hall - 6-6

Cincinnati - 3-8

hopefully There isn’t a “excruciating game on the line possessions” OR losses to f@#$ing Drexel and St. joes metric

 

[Travelman6]

Funny to see @kobe come over here talking “mid-major” for the Big East then you look at @auror showing their strength of schedule. They don’t even play a mid-major schedule at #298 they play a Division II OOC schedule

I have no idea why he doesn't just go away.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

the church leaguers love to say this without the hint of irony that they play 3 Q4 games in league play thanks to depaul and georgetown while only playing 11 non-con games (whereas the big 12 (real conference) teams play 13). sneaky lil way for the mid-majors to game the system.

overall sos:
providence 57
seton hall 43
cincinnati (power conference member) 35

You talk a lot of smack for a fan of the third best team in the Cincinnati metro area.

 

[UCan3]

Butler looks good and I see them in as a 7-9 seed.

Providence will be sweating going into our game March 9. Yippee...

Hall or Villanova could go on a 5-2 run to end the season which would put them right at the cut line. I suppose X could do the same thing but they might still be short of the field.

Stick a fork in St. Johns

I agree with the “fork in St. John‘s” but out of all those teams, they are the ones I would not like to play in tourney. Why? They are just a poorly coached team with some excellent talent - if they ever pulled it all together even in spite of Pitino’s best efforts to derail the season, they could be a giant killer in round 1.

 

[imno1]

I agree with the “fork in St. John‘s” but out of all those teams, they are the ones I would not like to play in tourney. Why? They are just a poorly coached team with some excellent talent - if they ever pulled it all together even in spite of Pitino’s best efforts to derail the season, they could be a giant killer in round 1.

I think you’re overrating their talent.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

I agree with the “fork in St. John‘s” but out of all those teams, they are the ones I would not like to play in tourney. Why? They are just a poorly coached team with some excellent talent - if they ever pulled it all together even in spite of Pitino’s best efforts to derail the season, they could be a giant killer in round 1.

I still think they're done but the Pitino mystique will keep them alive in my mind until they lose in the BET.

The talent/coaching thing describes Villanova. I think they'll win their way into the tournament over the next couple weeks. We could very well face them in the BE semifinal.

The only team I don't want to play is PC. Not because I think they have a better shot than others to beat us, but rather bc our games vs them are so painful to watch

 

[gtcam]

the church leaguers love to say this without the hint of irony that they play 3 Q4 games in league play thanks to depaul and georgetown while only playing 11 non-con games (whereas the big 12 (real conference) teams play 13). sneaky lil way for the mid-majors to game the system.

overall sos:
providence 57
seton hall 43
cincinnati (power conference member) 35

Come back when Cinci wins ONE NCAA tournament game - Mid Major Church league members have won 8 NCAA titles vs 3 for the mighty Small 12. since 1999.
Winning NCs vs bragging about being in a real conference - what a choice!!!!

 

[AllHusky]

I agree with Travelman about this Kobe cat, get out Loser

 

[NJHusky]

I have no idea why he doesn't just go away.

Ignore feature is a beautiful thing. Lol

 

[Travelman6]

Ignore feature is a beautiful thing. Lol

Already done but I still see his idiocy when other users quote him or refer to him.

 

[UCan3]

I think you’re overrating their talent.

Well they gave us a hard time and they were kicking SH butt for a bit.

Don’t get me wrong, we win this game but Soriano when he is on is handful and if they could hit outside shots and play D, they could give us a run.

I am worried about no one team bit I think St John’s is playing well below where they should due mostly to Rick Pitino.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

Villanova gets a must-win at home. Their path to the dance is pretty clear. The next 2 is very likely a split (UConn Saturday and home vs Georgetown next week)

Then their season rests on 3 games- at PC, at SH, and vs Creighton. If they can win 2 of those, they are in.

They would be 18-13 going into BET. Probably 19-14 on Selection Sunday