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HuskyNan said:
And beat a ranked team and more FBS teams than the previous 10 years combined. This with 80% of a healthy roster
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And those 20% who were injured were primarily in offensive skill positions.
 
BBallF said:
We don't belong in the Big 12. We belong where we are, in the Big East. It certainly didn't;t hurt the men's team last year.
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I don’t know that you appreciate how the college landscape is changing. The PAC-12 and ACC are scrambling to survive, the SEC and Big-10 are becoming powerful super conferences and the Big-12 is trying to keep up with the big boys. Conferences like the Big East, AAC, Atlantic 10, etc will fall into irrelevance. I expect they’ll form a basketball only league of some sort down the road.

Like it or not, football is driving this because that’s where the $$$ is. We can hate it all we want but that won’t change anything. UConn’s becoming a basketball only school has been debated many times but in order to continue having an athletic department without losing $40 million a year means having football
 
BBallF said:
We don't belong in the Big 12. We belong where we are, in the Big East. It certainly didn't;t hurt the men's team last year.
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Yeah but it totally killed the woman's team (at least using whatever logic you seem to be applying in your post.)
 
HuskyNan said:
I don’t know that you appreciate how the college landscape is changing. The PAC-12 and ACC are scrambling to survive, the SEC and Big-10 are becoming powerful super conferences and the Big-12 is trying to keep up with the big boys. Conferences like the Big East, AAC, Atlantic 10, etc will fall into irrelevance. I expect they’ll form a basketball only league of some sort down the road.

Like it or not, football is driving this because that’s where the $$$ is. We can hate it all we want but that won’t change anything. UConn’s becoming a basketball only school has been debated many times but in order to continue having an athletic department without losing $40 million a year means having football
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That statement suggests that football is financially profitable for UConn, (or will be with the Big 12's revenue sharing) and that men's and women's basketball are both money losers. I find that hard to believe. How can the 80+ scholarships that the football team requires be more expensive than the 25-30 scholarships needed by the two basketball teams? Also, I have to believe that the collective salaries of the football coaching staff exceed the salaries of both teams' basketball coaches.

My impression is that football is maintained at UConn because alumni care about it even if it loses money. Maybe the real impact is that rich alumni won't donate if they don't have a football team to root for -- is that the real reason why UConn needs a football program?

The other Big East schools seem to have financial stability in their athletic programs without football at all, or with non-serious football programs that will never be nationally competitive. That is also true of schools like Duke.

If the answer is that Big 12 revenue sharing will solve all of UConn's financial problems, then what happens in a few years when the Big 12 bites the dust because it can't compete with the Big 2. Do you then expect the SEC or the Big 10 to accept UConn? Seems most unlikely.
 
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JoePgh said:
That statement suggests that football is financially profitable for UConn, (or will be with the Big 12's revenue sharing) and that men's and women's basketball are both money losers. I find that hard to believe. How can the 80+ scholarships that the football team requires be more expensive than the 25-30 scholarships needed by the two basketball teams? Also, I have to believe that the collective salaries of the football coaching staff exceed the salaries of both teams' basketball coaches.

My impression is that football is maintained at UConn because alumni care about it even if it loses money. Maybe the real impact is that rich alumni won't donate if they don't have a football team to root for -- is that the real reason why UConn needs a football program?

The other Big East schools seem to have financial stability in their athletic programs without football at all, or with non-serious football programs that will never be nationally competitive. That is also true of schools like Duke.

If the answer is that Big 12 revenue sharing will solve all of UConn's financial problems, then what happens in a few years when the Big 12 bites the dust because it can't compete with the Big 2. Do you then expect the SEC or the Big 10 to accept UConn? Seems most unlikely.
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The women’s team hasn’t turned a profit in years. Jim Mora makes $1,500,000 a year in salary, Geno makes $3,000,000 a year and Dan Hurley $5,250,000. The two basketball teams play 60-70 games a year; football plays 12-13, 6 are at home. The basketball travel, hotels, and meals alone probably cost as much as the football scholarships.

It’s more than just scholarships. How much do you think UConn got from SNY for tv rights? Whatever it is, it’s not $40 million. Revenue from all TV rights for 2019-2020 was $1,152,816.

 
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JoePgh said:
My impression is that football is maintained at UConn because alumni care about it even if it loses money.
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No. UConn went D-1 in FB for the sole purpose of getting into a big-time league. At the time, it was thought that was the only way to protect our BB teams. Turns out, our BB teams have protected our FB. But the paradigm has shifted again, getting into a big-time conference is vital at keep competing on the highest level. The status quo won't hold. To use a WBB analogy: The power conferences are like the WNBA and the non-power conferences are like the ABL.
 
JoePgh said:
That statement suggests that football is financially profitable for UConn, (or will be with the Big 12's revenue sharing) and that men's and women's basketball are both money losers. I find that hard to believe. How can the 80+ scholarships that the football team requires be more expensive than the 25-30 scholarships needed by the two basketball teams? Also, I have to believe that the collective salaries of the football coaching staff exceed the salaries of both teams' basketball coaches.

My impression is that football is maintained at UConn because alumni care about it even if it loses money. Maybe the real impact is that rich alumni won't donate if they don't have a football team to root for -- is that the real reason why UConn needs a football program?

The other Big East schools seem to have financial stability in their athletic programs without football at all, or with non-serious football programs that will never be nationally competitive. That is also true of schools like Duke.

If the answer is that Big 12 revenue sharing will solve all of UConn's financial problems, then what happens in a few years when the Big 12 bites the dust because it can't compete with the Big 2. Do you then expect the SEC or the Big 10 to accept UConn? Seems most unlikely.
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UConn football is maintained because it has a potential as an added revenue source. Its like you never knew they had many sellouts the first decade in East Hartford.
Duke?, are you kidding? They get $40MM from the ACC + Duke basketball Licensing agreements in the eight figures + donations.
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But football needs funding
From USA Today 2022 season. Salary of UConn football coaches.
$3,177,000 total (that's with head coach salary of $1.5MM} Geno almost makes as much the entire football coaching staff.

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2020 Total Pay figures takes into account reductions due to issues caused by COVID-19 pandemic. 2020 Max Bonus amounts not tallied. 2021 Total Pay does not take into account reductions.
Total Pandemic Reductions shown may actually have been lower due to changes made after publication of 2020 figure. For all notes, see below.
YearCoachTotal PayScheduled School PayActual School PayContract Year Pandemic ReductionTotal Pandemic ReductionMax BonusOther
2022Nick Charlton$375,000$375,000$375,000——$87,500—
2022Lou Spanos$327,608$327,608$327,608——$81,902—
2022Gordon Sammis$185,000$185,000$185,000——$46,250—
2022John Allen$160,000$160,000$160,000——$40,000—
2022Dalton Hilliard$140,000$140,000$140,000——$35,000—
2022E.J Barthell$130,000$130,000$130,000——$32,500—
2022John Marinelli$120,000$120,000$120,000——$30,000—
2022Kenny McClendon$120,000$120,000$120,000——$30,000—
2022Doug Shearer$120,000$120,000$120,000——$30,000—
 
Duncan Idaho said:
UConn football is maintained because it has a potential as an added revenue source. Its like you never knew they had many sellouts the first decade in East Hartford.
Duke?, are you kidding? They get $40MM from the ACC + Duke basketball Licensing agreements in the eight figures + donations.
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But football needs funding
From USA Today 2022 season. Salary of UConn football coaches.
$3,177,000 total (that's with head coach salary of $1.5MM} Geno almost makes as much the entire football coaching staff.

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2020 Total Pay figures takes into account reductions due to issues caused by COVID-19 pandemic. 2020 Max Bonus amounts not tallied. 2021 Total Pay does not take into account reductions.
Total Pandemic Reductions shown may actually have been lower due to changes made after publication of 2020 figure. For all notes, see below.
YearCoachTotal PayScheduled School PayActual School PayContract Year Pandemic ReductionTotal Pandemic ReductionMax BonusOther
2022Nick Charlton$375,000$375,000$375,000——$87,500—
2022Lou Spanos$327,608$327,608$327,608——$81,902—
2022Gordon Sammis$185,000$185,000$185,000——$46,250—
2022John Allen$160,000$160,000$160,000——$40,000—
2022Dalton Hilliard$140,000$140,000$140,000——$35,000—
2022E.J Barthell$130,000$130,000$130,000——$32,500—
2022John Marinelli$120,000$120,000$120,000——$30,000—
2022Kenny McClendon$120,000$120,000$120,000——$30,000—
2022Doug Shearer$120,000$120,000$120,000——$30,000—
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Chris Dailey makes $313,000 and Geno has 2 assistants plus another being hired
 
CL82 said:
Yeah but it totally killed the woman's team (at least using whatever logic you seem to be applying in your post.)
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I'm applying empirical facts. Danny repeatedly called it the country's toughest conference and it prepared them for the Big Dance in a big way. The Big East is a basketball conference, not football, and the women's side has improved immeasurably since we rejoined. We ain't exactly running the table there, injuries notwithstanding. If it's about the dollar, as Nan says, we are all doomed. We don't belong there though by geography, historical rivalries, academics, regional affiliations, or otherwise.
 
HuskyNan said:
I don’t know that you appreciate how the college landscape is changing. The PAC-12 and ACC are scrambling to survive, the SEC and Big-10 are becoming powerful super conferences and the Big-12 is trying to keep up with the big boys. Conferences like the Big East, AAC, Atlantic 10, etc will fall into irrelevance. I expect they’ll form a basketball only league of some sort down the road.

Like it or not, football is driving this because that’s where the $$$ is. We can hate it all we want but that won’t change anything. UConn’s becoming a basketball only school has been debated many times but in order to continue having an athletic department without losing $40 million a year means having football
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I appreciate the realism but also recognize that there is a place in our country's sports for regional, historical , and natural rivalries. The question is can we afford it and also will we afford it. I hope we have more of the same. I loved the old Big East and love the new one, both men and women.
 
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HuskyNan said:
The women’s team hasn’t turned a profit in years. Jim Mora makes $1,500,000 a year in salary, Geno makes $3,000,000 a year and Dan Hurley $5,250,000. The two basketball teams play 60-70 games a year; football plays 12-13, 6 are at home. The basketball travel, hotels, and meals alone probably cost as much as the football scholarships.

It’s more than just scholarships. How much do you think UConn got from SNY for tv rights? Whatever it is, it’s not $40 million. Revenue from all TV rights for 2019-2020 was $1,152,816.

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I might very well be wrong about this but, I was under the impression that the majority of Geno's salary was paid for by funds outside of the university's general budget. Is that not correct ?
 
BBallF said:
I'm applying empirical facts. Danny repeatedly called it the country's toughest conference and it prepared them for the Big Dance in a big way. The Big East is a basketball conference, not football, and the women's side has improved immeasurably since we rejoined. We ain't exactly running the table there, injuries notwithstanding. If it's about the dollar, as Nan says, we are all doomed. We don't belong there though by geography, historical rivalries, academics, regional affiliations, or otherwise.
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Absolutely and I'm applying empirical facts. The UConn women's basketball team was in the big east this year. It had its worst post season turn out in recent memory. Therefore being in the Big East caused it to have a bad postseason run.

Did I get the logic right?
 
rvwsleep said:
I might very well be wrong about this but, I was under the impression that the majority of Geno's salary was paid for by funds outside of the university's general budget. Is that not correct ?
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BBallF said the football coaches were too expensive. My point is that the expense is significantly higher for the basketball teams
 
BBallF said:
I appreciate the realism but also recognize that there is a place in our country's sports for regional, historical , and natural rivalries. The question is can we afford it and also will we afford it. I hope we have more of the same. I loved the old Big East and love the new one, both men and women.
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The best non-UConn players in the Big East are either graduated (Maddie) or off to, yes, a super conference team (Aneesah Morrow, LSU, Lauren Park-Lane and Darrione Rogers, Miss State). The Big East is going to be down this year.

The best players are going to be looking at the super conferences first, especially after Geno retires. The product you might be watching in future Big East games will most likely be unwatchable. Take a look at this past year’s Xavier-Georgetown game to see what I’m talking about.
 
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rvwsleep said:
I might very well be wrong about this but, I was under the impression that the majority of Geno's salary was paid for by funds outside of the university's general budget. Is that not correct ?
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"All UConn coaches' compensation comes solely from Athletic Department revenues. These include ticket sales, radio and television broadcast contracts, Big East conference and NCAA income, private fundraising, and corporate partnerships."
per ct.gov site
 
HuskyNan said:
The best non-UConn players in the Big East are either graduated (Maddie) or off to, yes, a super conference team (Aneesah Morrow, LSU, Lauren Park-Lane and Darrione Rogers, Miss State). The Big East is going to be down this year.

The best players are going to be looking at the super conferences first, especially after Geno retires. The product you might be watching in future Big East games will most likely be unwatchable. Take a look at this past year’s Xavier-Georgetown game to see what I’m talking about.
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The Big East will be down this year for the reasons you mention. The rest of the conference has also never been able to make much headway getting top 100 recruits either. They get some but most go to Power 5 conferences. That has been a problem for years, but I think NIL and the portal now represent a very serious threat to the Big East.

If it was just moving for basketball reasons, I don't think we would have seen the exodus from the conference we did. But if you do well enough in the Big East to be a target for a nationally ranked team with significant NIL money, players will leave. That is a new dynamic that suggests the gap between the top conferences and the next tier will get bigger not smaller. If you are good enough to have NIL potential, you will go to where you can maximize that, and Uconn is probably the only conference team that can offer much potential there.
 
CL82 said:
Absolutely and I'm applying empirical facts. The UConn women's basketball team was in the big east this year. It had its worst post season turn out in recent memory. Therefore being in the Big East caused it to have a bad postseason run.

Did I get the logic right?
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No. What logic are you talking about? We all know that the post season run was the result of injuries. My point is that the league is not hurting the basketball program, men or women. If it's all about the money and deficits though, which may be an overriding factor, then it is a sad state of affairs.
 
HuskyNan said:
The best non-UConn players in the Big East are either graduated (Maddie) or off to, yes, a super conference team (Aneesah Morrow, LSU, Lauren Park-Lane and Darrione Rogers, Miss State). The Big East is going to be down this year.

The best players are going to be looking at the super conferences first, especially after Geno retires. The product you might be watching in future Big East games will most likely be unwatchable. Take a look at this past year’s Xavier-Georgetown game to see what I’m talking about.
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Yes, I'm aware. It doesn't mean I have to embrace it. There is an awful lot of electricity when on the men's side UCONN plays Nova for example and it will be this year with games against St. John's among others. It's an all in proposition. If the women go to the Big 12 the men do too. That is sad to me.
 
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It's yet another losing college football league. It won't do us any more good than the AAC did. We can say goodbye to major college football, and stick with B-ball. No loss.
 
Ask the fans at Syracuse, BC, and Pitt how much they're enjoying the big money conference. The Big East isn't a strong conference in women's basketball, but that doesn't seem to be an obstacle to winning NCs here.
 
JSB60 said:
Ask the fans at Syracuse, BC, and Pitt how much they're enjoying the big money conference. The Big East isn't a strong conference in women's basketball, but that doesn't seem to be an obstacle to winning NCs here.
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Pray really hard for Geno's replacement and staff to succeed.
 
Fairfield Fan said:
It's yet another losing college football league. It won't do us any more good than the AAC did. We can say goodbye to major college football, and stick with B-ball. No loss.
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Going from The BIG East to the AAC was considered a step down and a let down. BCS to G5. Now you are going from G5 to P5 if Invited with better football and basketball than the AAC and NBE plus a better funded Athletic Department. UConn WBB did pretty well in the AAC too BTW. Of course, it will do better than the AAC. Coaches make all the difference no matter what conference any school is in.
 
OK, After chewing on this for 4 days, what's the consensus here? Do we join if offered, or wait for a possible better offer to come along? :rolleyes:
There are some good arguments on both sides of the fence.
 
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