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Big 12 Pushing For UConn Part Deux!

Blades said:
Or Basketball wise either. Last year the Big 12 had the #1 NET in the NCAA's hoops rankings of all conferences. The AAC ? they were the 9th ranked conference ...and compared to the Big East ? No lowly ranked team in the Big 12 like #131 Butler, #163 Depaul and #243 Georgetown.
( won't miss ya Patrick).

Actually the worst ranked team in the Big 12 was the departing OU at #68 ( which was better than over half the Big East teams). The Big 12 also brings in a decent replacement in #1 NET ranked Houston this year. ( along with #70 Cincy and #71 UCF from the hapless AAC)

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So Cincy and UCF bring down the conference slightly which is why the Big 12 needs UConn to offset them.

Amirite @kobe
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
why would they bother? the ACC at Barclay's was a disaster.
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They won't. It will remain in a location accessible to most schools. KC or Dallas probably. It's in KC through 2025. If Colorado comes back, Denver could work. No chance they try to move it to MSG or Barclays.

KC is drivable from the greatest number of Big XII schools and has a brand new airport.
 
Palatine said:
We can stil play at MSG. Buut I would rather play Kansas in Hartford (or Gampel).
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I'd be fine with having periodic neutral site games in NYC if it were a part of a separate tournament, like a big 12 Big Apple classic or something. It allows us to keep our NYC presence and gives us the opportunity for neutral site wins.
 
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CL82 said:
I'd be fine with having periodic neutral site games in NYC if it were a part of a separate tournament, like a big 12 Big Apple classic or something. It allows us to keep our NYC presence and gives us the opportunity for neutral site wins.
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This is the kind of thing I expect Yormark to do if we join. Not move the whole tournament. The rest of the league would hate having to go to NYC for the tournament. Can't drive, very expensive to stay/eat, it wouldn't be feasible for their fans.
 
HuskyHawk said:
This is the kind of thing I expect Yormark to do if we join. Not move the whole tournament. The rest of the league would hate having to go to NYC for the tournament. Can't drive, very expensive to stay/eat, it wouldn't be feasible for their fans.
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Rotate the other top basketball schools in with Connecticut being a de facto host school. You wouldn't hear me complaining if Kansas was there every year as well.
 
HuskyHawk said:
They won't. It will remain in a location accessible to most schools. KC or Dallas probably. It's in KC through 2025. If Colorado comes back, Denver could work. No chance they try to move it to MSG or Barclays.
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It's an 8 hour drive to Denver from Lawrence and BYU, nine from Stillwater. Those are the closest schools off the top of my head. Are you still talking about driving or was that just for the other post? For comparison, those all longer drives than Hartford to Pittsburgh.
 
willie99 said:
Nope, don't realize this. Must be some of that brilliant insider knowledge that a simpleton like me just don't be comprehended

So we have to accept a Big 12 invite to get into the Big 10

Any insight into the Big 12 exit fees we'd be paying before we're even accepted into the Big 12?

This stuff be getting complicated
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We need to be affiliated w a p5 conference. It’s really not that hard to comprehend, even for a self proclaimed simpleton such as yourself.
If the Big 10 expands eastward, or more like when, there is zero chance they consider UConn w football remaining as an independent.
 
I absolutely do not want to move to the Big 12. We will lose more as a program than we could possibly gain. Including…..

1. MSG being filled with UCONN fans. No matter where in the middle of nowhere they decide to play their conference tournament, UCONN fans will not travel that far to attend. The conference tournament ceses to be special.

2. UCONN goes from being a major player in an excellent basketball conference to a small fish in a huge football dominated conference. For those who think that UCONN is going to have a meteoric rise in football by playing teams that are light years ahead of them and that they are going to listen to us the same as they do the more established football programs….wake up!!!! They have 0 respect for our football program. They just want to get in the New York market. Once in the Big 12 we would have zero influence because football rules.

3) We lose our home court advantage in recruiting in the North East. In the Big 12 there are no easy trips for the families to see their kids play and there is no guarantee of playing in the Mecca if Basketball MSG. All we will be able to get is paid mercenaries which puts us in the same boat with everyone else, constant roster turnover.

Money doesn’t solve everything and Benedict shouldn’t mess with what’s working. Being greedy will only make UCONN lose what makes it special. Just ask Cuse, Pitt and BC.
 
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Some writers that aren’t just going for clicks seem to think it might actually be happening this time. It’s very hard to tell anything with the pac 12 money being dragged out for so long.
 
Uconn10922 said:
. No matter where in the middle of nowhere they decide to play their conference tournament, UCONN fans will not travel that far to attend. The conference tournament ceses to be special.
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Not sure I would agree that Dallas or KC is in the middle of nowhere. I would travel to both for the tourney and for games. I am already checking on how to get to Ames.
 
Uconn10922 said:
I absolutely do not want to move to the Big 12. We will lose more as a program than we could possibly gain. Including…..

1. MSG being filled with UCONN fans. No matter where in the middle of nowhere they decide to play their conference tournament, UCONN fans will not travel that far to attend. The conference tournament ceses to be special.

2. UCONN goes from being a major player in an excellent basketball conference to a small fish in a huge football dominated conference. For those who think that UCONN is going to have a meteoric rise in football by playing teams that are light years ahead of them and that they are going to listen to us the same as they do the more established football programs….wake up!!!! They have 0 respect for our football program. They just want to get in the New York market. Once in the Big 12 we would have zero influence because football rules.

3) We lose our home court advantage in recruiting in the North East. In the Big 12 there are no easy trips for the families to see their kids play and there is no guarantee of playing in the Mecca if Basketball MSG. All we will be able to get is paid mercenaries which puts us in the same boat with everyone else, constant roster turnover.

Money doesn’t solve everything and Benedict shouldn’t mess with what’s working. Being greedy will only make UCONN lose what makes it special. Just ask Cuse, Pitt and BC.
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*UConn
 
Uconn10922 said:
I absolutely do not want to move to the Big 12. We will lose more as a program than we could possibly gain. Including…..

1. MSG being filled with UCONN fans. No matter where in the middle of nowhere they decide to play their conference tournament, UCONN fans will not travel that far to attend. The conference tournament ceses to be special.

2. UCONN goes from being a major player in an excellent basketball conference to a small fish in a huge football dominated conference. For those who think that UCONN is going to have a meteoric rise in football by playing teams that are light years ahead of them and that they are going to listen to us the same as they do the more established football programs….wake up!!!! They have 0 respect for our football program. They just want to get in the New York market. Once in the Big 12 we would have zero influence because football rules.

3) We lose our home court advantage in recruiting in the North East. In the Big 12 there are no easy trips for the families to see their kids play and there is no guarantee of playing in the Mecca if Basketball MSG. All we will be able to get is paid mercenaries which puts us in the same boat with everyone else, constant roster turnover.

Money doesn’t solve everything and Benedict shouldn’t mess with what’s working. Being greedy will only make UCONN lose what makes it special. Just ask Cuse, Pitt and BC.
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Re: #2. There is no reason we can’t compete now that we have a coach. It’s not like kids at other schools stay for 10 years.

And yes, money never solves everything, but it sure beats not having it.
 
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CTBasketball said:
If you think we leave the conference and our current conference-mates line up to play us afterwards you are off your rocker. There will be heavy opposition to us.
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Didn’t we continue to play Syracuse after they left for the ACC?
 
Greedo said:
P5 schools are falling over each other trying to compete to get into the Big 10 or SEC. There is absolutely no chance the Big 10 is taking a school that hasn’t proven to be competitive in football in a P5 conference. Any remote hope of the Big 10 for us would be showing 5+ years of sustained success in a P5 conference for football and investment/commitment in football from the university.
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Pure poppycock, a work of fiction. A bunch or words strung together in an attempt to make an argument but really lead to nowhere

Now here's the cold hard truth. We're in uncharted territory, and nobody knows how the dominoes will fall. I actually think it's silly to suggest we have to go to the Big12 to get into the Big10, but good and smart people can and do disagree
 
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Hey guys, new to the forum. My opinion is that it would be foolish to leave the Big East for the Big12. So many of you have already mentioned the multiple downsides. Travel, lack of natural rivals, and being stuck in a league with teams we have no allegiance to. But there is really farorw upside in staying put until some other solution comes along. Didn’t we live in basketball limbo for how many years in the AAC, winning one title but really becoming irrelevant as recruiting was woeful, our fan base wasn’t engaged and the games were not nationally televised. NOW, we are returning to our roots, we’re a legacy franchise in the Big East again, St. John’s is upgrading with Pitino, our league is seeing a resurgence in street credibility potentially having the most teams in the NCAA tourney next year. Forget getting top talent to come here if we move to the boondocks. Star recruits want to play in MSG, Philly, Storrs. We have a reputation as a premier league.

So should we listen to the outcry to grab the millions and leave the league we left a decade ago only to come back in the 3rd year and hoist a national title banner? Screw the money. Our football team will never be anything but fodder for a real division 1 league. Good luck getting kicked every Saturday. All I have to point to is the Game last year with Michigan. 60 something to 7? So entertaining. What an embarrassment. Where does our up and coming hockey go? To the Big12? Do they even play hockey there? While the Big East is never in its current state going to have competitive football, perhaps what makes more sense is to meet with the ACC schools that have storied basketball teams, that also play decent division 1 football, invite other schools like Syracuse and form a new ACC league.

Moving to the BIG12 would not guarantee us a full member yearly share of the revenue and we would pay huge exit fees from the Big East. As they say, be careful what you wish for.
 
ctchamps said:
So Cincy and UCF bring down the conference slightly which is why the Big 12 needs UConn to offset them.

Amirite @kobe
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Yormark is an absolute bozo if he thinks a church league school will get approval from the presidents. UConn to the Big 12 never has and never will be a thing.
 
kobe said:
Yormark is an absolute bozo if he thinks a church league school will get approval from the presidents. UConn to the Big 12 never has and never will be a thing
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Do you not find it kind of pathetic to go onto other school’s boards on a Monday evening to go talk shit? Like just in general. Doesn’t that seem like kind of a sad way for an adult man to spend his time?
 
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kobe said:
Yormark is an absolute bozo if he thinks a church league school will get approval from the presidents. UConn to the Big 12 never has and never will be a thing.
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Well, I think having put in four schools at a discount as filler, he needs a marquee school to make up for them.
 
Skies2018 said:
Do you not find it kind of pathetic to go onto other school’s boards on a Monday evening to go talk ? Like just in general. Doesn’t that seem like kind of a sad way for an adult man to spend his time?
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He's a Cincinnati Bearcat fan. Kind of sad is his comfort zone.
 
FearThePups said:
Hey guys, new to the forum. My opinion is that it would be foolish to leave the Big East for the Big12. So many of you have already mentioned the multiple downsides. Travel, lack of natural rivals, and being stuck in a league with teams we have no allegiance to. But there is really farorw upside in staying put until some other solution comes along. Didn’t we live in basketball limbo for how many years in the AAC, winning one title but really becoming irrelevant as recruiting was woeful, our fan base wasn’t engaged and the games were not nationally televised. NOW, we are returning to our roots, we’re a legacy franchise in the Big East again, St. John’s is upgrading with Pitino, our league is seeing a resurgence in street credibility potentially having the most teams in the NCAA tourney next year. Forget getting top talent to come here if we move to the boondocks. Star recruits want to play in MSG, Philly, Storrs. We have a reputation as a premier league.

So should we listen to the outcry to grab the millions and leave the league we left a decade ago only to come back in the 3rd year and hoist a national title banner? Screw the money. Our football team will never be anything but fodder for a real division 1 league. Good luck getting kicked every Saturday. All I have to point to is the Game last year with Michigan. 60 something to 7? So entertaining. What an embarrassment. Where does our up and coming hockey go? To the Big12? Do they even play hockey there? While the Big East is never in its current state going to have competitive football, perhaps what makes more sense is to meet with the ACC schools that have storied basketball teams, that also play decent division 1 football, invite other schools like Syracuse and form a new ACC league.

Moving to the BIG12 would not guarantee us a full member yearly share of the revenue and we would pay huge exit fees from the Big East. As they say, be careful what you wish for.
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We never left any league a decade ago.
 
willie99 said:
Pure poppycock, a work of fiction. A bunch or words strung together in an attempt to make an argument but really lead to nowhere

Now here's the cold hard truth. We're in uncharted territory, and nobody knows how the dominoes will fall. I actually think it's silly to suggest we have to go to the Big12 to get into the Big10, but good and smart people can and do disagree
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To be honest, I don’t think we’ll ever get into the Big 10. There are just too many schools that offer more. The ACC is loaded and the Big 10 is just waiting out their GOR. The Big 10 cares about one thing: football. Our basketball program means nothing to them. Our other sports mean nothing to them. They care about football. IMO they will never add a school with our football history no matter how Mora manages to turn things around. They got their NY market in Rutgers, they have no need for us.

But if there is any infinitesimally small chance they would, they absolutely would not accept a G5 school. That is below them. We are G5 in football whether we like it or not. The Big 10 and SEC are in another realm of existence. If we stay in the Big East we are hoping the college sports landscape remains in such a way that the Big East is somehow able to remain a power conference in basketball. I think it’s unlikely, but I could be wrong. I think a lot hinges on Villanova remaining strong. But if we stay in the Big East, we are not able to build a full “power” schedule as an independent and the Big 10 will never show an interest in us. We are not Notre Dame.

You can disagree if you want, but you’ve shown to have a complete lack of understanding of how this whole process works.
 
Greedo said:
To be honest, I don’t think we’ll ever get into the Big 10. There are just too many schools that offer more. The ACC is loaded and the Big 10 is just waiting out their GOR. The Big 10 cares about one thing: football. Our basketball program means nothing to them. Our other sports mean nothing to them. They care about football. IMO they will never add a school with our football history no matter how Mora manages to turn things around. They got their NY market in Rutgers, they have no need for us.

But if there is any infinitesimally small chance they would, they absolutely would not accept a G5 school. That is below them. We are G5 in football whether we like it or not. The Big 10 and SEC are in another realm of existence. If we stay in the Big East we are hoping the college sports landscape remains in such a way that the Big East is somehow able to remain a power conference in basketball. I think it’s unlikely, but I could be wrong. I think a lot hinges on Villanova remaining strong. But if we stay in the Big East, we are not able to build a full “power” schedule as an independent and the Big 10 will never show an interest in us. We are not Notre Dame.

You can disagree if you want, but you’ve shown to have a complete lack of understanding of how this whole process works.
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I disagree. Saying Rutgers has the New York market means you don't know what's going on. It would be like ACC saying glad we have BC. We locked up Boston market, which is laughable. No one in NYC cares about Rutgers. It's actually a negative. It's embarrassing if you went to Rutgers. We will be big 10s only option. Maryland and Rutgers is where the big 10 screwed up. They had to get two LA teams because it was such a disaster. We are in perfect position. Big 12 is so lame. No thanks. Just be patient.
 
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