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Big 12 Pushing For UConn Part Deux!

FfldCntyFan said:
1 - Where is Kansas going?
2 - You left out Baylor (they won a title not long ago.
3 - Top to bottom the B-12 (with UConn) is a far better men's basketball conference than the BE (with UConn).
4 - Any current BE schools that we want to continue a relationship with will be more than happy to schedule games with us. When we were in the AAC we scheduled a series with Nova (when they were at their highest point ever and we were at our lowest since Perno). They obviously were the only BE school we felt an important enough connection with to continue playing at that time. If things have changed I'm confident that an agreement can be reached with other BE schools.
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Nonsense. Every school in big east is better than big 12 equivalent. Uconn vs Kansas. UConn by a huge margin. Villanova vs Baylor. Villanova by huge margin. Then what? Pitino, Marquette, Georgetown coach from Providence. Butler is the worst team in the league and they went back to back finals. MSG matters. We basically run MSG. Big 12 sucks. Aac all over again. We are literally playing the only team that matters anyway from Big 12. Biggest game of regular season is uconn vs Kansas. We are the show. Every game we play this year will be other teams biggest game by far. Just be patient, big 10 will be calling.
 
Nick2005 said:
Nonsense. Every school in big east is better than big 12 equivalent. Uconn vs Kansas. UConn by a huge margin. Villanova vs Baylor. Villanova by huge margin. Then what? Pitino, Marquette, Georgetown coach from Providence. Butler is the worst team in the league and they went back to back finals. MSG matters. We basically run MSG. Big 12 sucks. Aac all over again. We are literally playing the only team that matters anyway from Big 12. Biggest game of regular season is uconn vs Kansas. We are the show. Every game we play this year will be other teams biggest game by far. Just be patient, big 10 will be calling.
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Kansas is 3-0 against UConn
 
Nick2005 said:
Nonsense. Every school in big east is better than big 12 equivalent. Uconn vs Kansas. UConn by a huge margin. Villanova vs Baylor. Villanova by huge margin. Then what? Pitino, Marquette, Georgetown coach from Providence. Butler is the worst team in the league and they went back to back finals. MSG matters. We basically run MSG. Big 12 sucks. Aac all over again. We are literally playing the only team that matters anyway from Big 12. Biggest game of regular season is uconn vs Kansas. We are the show. Every game we play this year will be other teams biggest game by far. Just be patient, big 10 will be calling.
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Please read what I wrote again as you obviously missed (not only) what I pointed out (but also a critical part of the transaction).

If we were to move to the B-12 we cannot be viewed as being a BE program that is better than its B-12 counterpart. The comparisons would be (as I pointed out) the BE without us vs the B-12 without us.

Which BE program (not including UConn) is better than Kansas? After removing those two, who in the BE is better than Baylor? Working down the list, pick whoever you believe is better of the next schools.

Call me silly but I personally would like to wait and see Pitino and Cooley actually do something (at St John's and Georgetown respectively) before declaring this 1985 again.

I do see the B-10 as the goal for our ultimate destination (and I am more confident than most here that a path to this exists) but that offer isn't materializing before 2032-2035 and it won't happen if we cannot improve on a number of levels. Improvement on those levels won't happen without improving our financial situation by a considerable amount and a step from the B-12 to the B-10 is far more reasonable than a step from the BE (a decade from now) to the B-10.
 
Nick2005 said:
Nonsense. Every school in big east is better than big 12 equivalent. Uconn vs Kansas. UConn by a huge margin. Villanova vs Baylor. Villanova by huge margin. Then what? Pitino, Marquette, Georgetown coach from Providence. Butler is the worst team in the league and they went back to back finals. MSG matters. We basically run MSG. Big 12 sucks. Aac all over again. We are literally playing the only team that matters anyway from Big 12. Biggest game of regular season is uconn vs Kansas. We are the show. Every game we play this year will be other teams biggest game by far. Just be patient, big 10 will be calling.
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Villanova has showed out better at MSG than we have since 2014. I wouldn’t necessarily say we own NYC. We just board trains well and go to games.
 
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CTBasketball said:
Villanova has showed out better at MSG than we have since 2014. I wouldn’t necessarily say we own NYC. We just board trains well and go to games.
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Exactly. UConn travels well. To MSG, we travel really well. Go back and watch the elite 8 game vs Michigan state.The atmosphere there was as good as it gets for college basketball. We owned MSG. It’s called Storrs South for good reason.
 
CTBasketball said:
Villanova has showed out better at MSG than we have since 2014. I wouldn’t necessarily say we own NYC. We just board trains well and go to games.
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In the fairly recent past, UConn has had the highest TV ratings for college basketball teams in NYC

Have not seen such articles recently
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Please read what I wrote again as you obviously missed (not only) what I pointed out (but also a critical part of the transaction).

If we were to move to the B-12 we cannot be viewed as being a BE program that is better than its B-12 counterpart. The comparisons would be (as I pointed out) the BE without us vs the B-12 without us.

Which BE program (not including UConn) is better than Kansas? After removing those two, who in the BE is better than Baylor? Working down the list, pick whoever you believe is better of the next schools.

Call me silly but I personally would like to wait and see Pitino and Cooley actually do something (at St John's and Georgetown respectively) before declaring this 1985 again.

I do see the B-10 as the goal for our ultimate destination (and I am more confident than most here that a path to this exists) but that offer isn't materializing before 2032-2035 and it won't happen if we cannot improve on a number of levels. Improvement on those levels won't happen without improving our financial situation by a considerable amount and a step from the B-12 to the B-10 is far more reasonable than a step from the BE (a decade from now) to the B-10.
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With Houston coming in also, B12 seems very well represented in any top 50 ratings or ranking criteria even with the loss of Texas.
 
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Some of the Big East fans don’t seem to understand that we currently have BE away games in Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. We’ll be trading those games for games in Iowa, Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma and Ohio. But yes, I’ll miss the annual hockey game in Omaha.
 
upstater said:
Some of the Big East fans don’t seem to understand that we currently have BE away games in Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. We’ll be trading those games for games in Iowa, Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma and Ohio. But yes, I’ll miss the annual hockey game in Omaha.
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Pretty sure everyone knows the travel and knows there will be way more travel in the Big 12.
 
This will be about money. How much and how soon. If we don't start close to a full payout and reach full payout within 3 years then the answer should be, "no."
 
SubbaBub said:
This will be about money. How much and how soon. If we don't start close to a full payout and reach full payout within 3 years then the answer should be, "no."
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Beggars can't be choosers. You have to expect something similar to what the 4 new additions got. 19 million a year increasing annually as they get closer to the end of the contract which is 2031. That's not a long time. No way you say no to such an arrangement.

I'll believe this move happens when it is announced.
 
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noeynox said:
Beggars can't be choosers. You have to expect something similar to what the 4 new additions got. 19 million a year increasing annually as they get closer to the end of the contract which is 2031. That's not a long time. No way you say no to such an arrangement.

I'll believe this move happens when it is announced.
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I won't even believe it then.

I remember the local news announcing we were ACC bound as a done deal the night before we had the rug pulled out from under us.
 
August_West said:
I won't even believe it then.

I remember the local news announcing we were ACC bound as a done deal the night before we had the rug pulled out from under us.
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I don't remember that but i am sure it happened. I hate the ACC. I almost threw up the bowl game in Charlotte when Wake fans began their ,"ACC, ACC" chant.
 
SubbaBub said:
This will be about money. How much and how soon. If we don't start close to a full payout and reach full payout within 3 years then the answer should be, "no."
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So why should UConn do better than the vast majority of schools moving between P5 conferences?
 
upstater said:
So why should UConn do better than the vast majority of schools moving between P5 conferences?
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Because UConn was better than all of those schools before those schools went P5...

Seriously, UConn was better than every school in basketball at the time each school was given their golden ticket, and would be by faaaaar the best basketball program to move up now.

UConn was better than or equal to a lot of those schools in football at the time they moved too.

The ACC and B1G just made dumb choices...
 
noeynox said:
Beggars can't be choosers. You have to expect something similar to what the 4 new additions got. 19 million a year increasing annually as they get closer to the end of the contract which is 2031. That's not a long time. No way you say no to such an arrangement.

I'll believe this move happens when it is announced.
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Well, if you believe what Yormark has said, Connecticut will be treated as if it were a member of the P5 by the conferences media partners in the us is entitled to a full share.

He probably feels like splurging after picking up for schools from the day-old bread rack at a discount.
 
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upstater said:
So why should UConn do better than the vast majority of schools moving between P5 conferences?
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Which schools with those be again?
 
I think those hoping we stay in the BIG EAST need to take emotion out of it (myself included). It just doesn't make sense for a long term survival standpoint (and I hate that because I love the BIG EAST) to turn down a P5 invite.

The BIG EAST (sadly) can't offer what a P5 can from a financial standpoint, and the way conference realignment is going, I'm not sure the BIG EAST will be around in its current form in 5 years (if this happens and we stayed put, who knows what happens next).

Is the Big 12 a hand-in-glove fit like the ACC or B10 would be? Hardly. Hell, I'm sure the athletic department would love to stay put, but they have to ensure the long-term viability of the brand - and all it stands for (champions, integrity, leadership, winning) - at all costs.
 
UConntLose said:
I think those hoping we stay in the BIG EAST need to take emotion out of it (myself included). It just doesn't make sense for a long term survival standpoint (and I hate that because I love the BIG EAST) to turn down a P5 invite.

The BIG EAST (sadly) can't offer what a P5 can from a financial standpoint, and the way conference realignment is going, I'm not sure the BIG EAST will be around in its current form in 5 years (if this happens and we stayed put, who knows what happens next).

Is the Big 12 a hand-in-glove fit like the ACC or B10 would be? Hardly. Hell, I'm sure the athletic department would love to stay put, but they have to ensure the long-term viability of the brand - and all it stands for (champions, integrity, leadership, winning) - at all costs.
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I prefer the B12 to the ACC. The ACC seems like a drag the last few years.
 
CL82 said:
Well, if you believe what Yormark has said, Connecticut will be treated as if it were a member of the P5 by the conferences media partners in the us is entitled to a full share.

He probably feels like splurging after picking up for schools from the day-old bread rack at a discount.
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I do. But i don't think UConn will get a full share while the recent additions get less. The money will get worked out if an invite comes.
 
UConntLose said:
The BIG EAST (sadly) can't offer what a P5 can from a financial standpoint, and the way conference realignment is going, I'm not sure the BIG EAST will be around in its current form in 5 years (if this happens and we stayed put, who knows what happens next).
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The Big East isn't going anywhere; besides, a number of confernces would not be a fit. Wha confernece is calling Marquette or Seton Hall?

Georgetown doesn't fit any conference model (30 sports, a third of its budget on men's basketball, vastly underspending in football)
 
UConntLose said:
I think those hoping we stay in the BIG EAST need to take emotion out of it (myself included). It just doesn't make sense for a long term survival standpoint (and I hate that because I love the BIG EAST) to turn down a P5 invite.

The BIG EAST (sadly) can't offer what a P5 can from a financial standpoint, and the way conference realignment is going, I'm not sure the BIG EAST will be around in its current form in 5 years (if this happens and we stayed put, who knows what happens next).

Is the Big 12 a hand-in-glove fit like the ACC or B10 would be? Hardly. Hell, I'm sure the athletic department would love to stay put, but they have to ensure the long-term viability of the brand - and all it stands for (champions, integrity, leadership, winning) - at all costs.
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If the last couple of years have shown us anything is that the big east is big enough to survive whatever happens next in the world of college athletics. The league is in a better place now than it was in 2013.
 
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