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Big 12 Pushing For UConn Part Deux!

billybud said:
ESPN has no contracr with the schools...they have a contr


Not that it would happen...but if the ACC disbanded, ESPN would have a contract but with a non existant entity.

ESPN has no contract with the schools, but rather with the conference.

The schools, via GOR, assigned their media rights to the ACC, the conference then contracted with ESPN.

Since the ACC is a North Carolina non profit, the NC statute regarding non ptofit dissolution would govern...
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I have not seen the contract. Are you certain that the ACC didn't assign the GOR to the rights to members' home games to the networks? If I were representing the networks I would have taken an assignment to those rights, and if the networks weren't guaranteed the benefits of the GOR then how did the schools granting them increase the value of the TV contract, which was the point of the GOR in the first place?

Said another way, I can't tell you you are wrong without seeing the contract, but as a business law matter it would make little sense for you to be right.
 
whalerfan said:
There's no way that a conference with Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State and Cal being G5.
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My G5 assumption is after the 4 Corners and ORWA schools have all left.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
UConn is a better brand than most B12 schools right now. Instead, the perception is we are literally dog because of football due to 3 horrible hires in the row. The fact red pants and RE2.0 got long leashes also killed us. It was obvious both of those guys were way over their heads early in their coaching stints. UConn should have fired them much earlier than they did.
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By long leashes do you mean autonomy as a coach, because I think that unavoidable. On the other hand if you mean that they had long 10 years, neither really did. One of the criticisms of Connecticut football is the amount of turnover we've had at the head coach position.
 
businesslawyer said:
I have not seen the contract. Are you certain that the ACC didn't assign the GOR to the rights to members' home games to the networks? If I were representing the networks I would have taken an assignment to those rights, and if the networks weren't guaranteed the benefits of the GOR then how did the schools granting them increase the value of the TV contract, which was the point of the GOR in the first place?

Said another way, I can't tell you you are wrong without seeing the contract, but as a business law matter it would make little sense for you to be right.
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The individual schools do not have the contract (FSU answered so under an FOI request)...attempts under FOI to see the contract were rebuffed since the ACC as a private does not fall under FOI.

FSU lawyers were allowed to review the contract at the ACC office...the GOR is available and is now in the public domain...all the GOR does is grant the conference the media rights of the signing members for a time certain. The conference then leases the media rights under contract with ESPN (yes, home games).

ESPN has contract obligations to pay X amount, increasing over time....If there is no longer an ACC as an entity to lease sports media to ESPN, there would be no longer any contract obligations either way.

However...the required dissolution plan might be a hiccup in that the dissolution plan must address all liabilities and obligations.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
Timing of hiring three horrible coaches in the row has killed our football perception. The amount of misinformation out there on the Internet about UConn is simply insane.

Mora can go a long way fixing that by beating NCST on 8/31/23, but the B12 might be done expanding by then.

It is crazy how previous adminstration screwed this up by hiring coach P, red pants, and washed up RE 2.0 when there were so many better coaching candidates available around that time.

The fact the B12 took UCF, Cincy, and Houston over UConn is just mind boggling.
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Right or wrong, the national perception of UConn football isn't "solid program that hired a few bad coaches in a row," it's "bad program that had a few good years sprinkled in." 2004 and 2007-2010 were strong years and gave the program great momentum, but realistically that's only 5 seasons of relevance in the last two decades, and the last relevant season was 13 years ago.
 
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Rico444 said:
Right or wrong, the national perception of UConn football isn't "solid program that hired a few bad coaches in a row," it's "bad program that had a few good years sprinkled in." 2004 and 2007-2010 were strong years and gave the program great momentum, but realistically that's only 5 seasons of relevance in the last two decades, and the last relevant season was 13 years ago.
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Imagine if the BB program stuck with Ollie. That's what they did sticking with Edsall. He should have been axed after year 2. He was the embodiment of a no hoper.
 
CL82 said:
By long leashes do you mean autonomy as a coach, because I think that unavoidable. On the other hand if you mean that they had long 10 years, neither really did. One of the criticisms of Connecticut football is the amount of turnover we've had at the head coach position.
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I mean it was clear as day after year 1 Edsall was the wrong hire for the second stint. UConn should have let him walk after year 2 at minimal.

The problem is most of the people forgot everything UConn did during Edsall 1.0. Right now the perception about UConn is just a bad football program that will be the doormat in the B12. People seem to forget things like UCF was horrible not too long ago.

We need a 9+ wins season in the worst way. Winning is the only thing that can change this perception.
 
tzznandrew said:
UNC and Virginia easily have landing spots in either the B1G or the SEC.

If they go to the B1G (which is sort of what I'd expect), I'd expect Duke to go with them, and maybe Georgia Tech. In that scenario, NC State and Virginia Tech would probably find their way into the SEC.

Clemson and Florida State probably would find a home in the B12. Don't think the B1G would care about either, and why in the world would the SEC want them when they have the markets covered?

I honestly think it's only the former BE schools (minus VT) along with Wake Forest that won't have much of a landing spot. Miami and Syracuse probably find a home in the B12 if that happened. BC? Louisville? Why would anyone add them?
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Can somebody please explain to me who the wants Duke and why? UConn is clearly a better add than Duke.

I mean no disrespect to Duke. I like and admire them. I'm speaking purely from a business perspective.
 
billybud said:
Duke's Cameron Crazies make for TV pageantry...

2023 season...Top Ten most watched regular season games on ESPN..

Duke...was #1...#2...#7...
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Thanks. Remains to be seen what happens without K and the substandard seasons that are likely to follow...for a few years anyway. Look what happened to UConn under Ollie.
 
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RegisteredUconn said:
Can somebody please explain to me who the wants Duke and why? UConn is clearly a better add than Duke.

I mean no disrespect to Duke. I like and admire them. I'm speaking purely from a business perspective.
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They're a great academic school with a strong athletic department, and they presumably come packaged with the best basketball rivalry in MCBB. North Carolina as a state is quite large and growing, so having two of the top draws is worth it.
 
RegisteredUconn said:
Thanks. Remains to be seen what happens without K and the substandard seasons that are likely to follow...for a few years anyway. Look what happened to UConn under Ollie.
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KO won a title.

There's also no indication Scheyer is going to be KO: at KOs best or worst...
 
Rico444 said:
Right or wrong, the national perception of UConn football isn't "solid program that hired a few bad coaches in a row," it's "bad program that had a few good years sprinkled in." 2004 and 2007-2010 were strong years and gave the program great momentum, but realistically that's only 5 seasons of relevance in the last two decades, and the last relevant season was 13 years ago.
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But, that good period coincided with time in a BCS football conference.

The reality is that the majority of B12 schools are only just middling in football, and that's a level that UConn can get to in short order.
 
RegisteredUconn said:
Can somebody please explain to me who the wants Duke and why? UConn is clearly a better add than Duke.

I mean no disrespect to Duke. I like and admire them. I'm speaking purely from a business perspective.
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Duke’s largest leverage is their supposed ties to UNC, as well as they could likely fit in either the SEC or B10. But they aren’t in the top 5 of desired ACC programs, so it would likely take some luck.
 
Right now...Duke's BB 2023 class is ranked #2 by On3...#2 by 247....#2 by Rivals...

They have a chance to build a decent team...
 
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billybud said:
Right now...Duke's BB 2023 class is ranked #2 by On3...#2 by 247....#2 by Rivals...

They have a chance to build a decent team...
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If you cant build a decent team with that, you have coaching problems. On the other hand, if it was that simple to become a great team, Kentucky would have more than 1 title in the last 20 odd years.
 
billybud said:
ESPN has contract obligations to pay X amount, increasing over time....If there is no longer an ACC as an entity to lease sports media to ESPN, there would be no longer any contract obligations either way.
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You are repeating yourself with no new evidence or even theory. I would point out, then, that you don't know that ESPN wasn't granted the rights to televise FSU's games for the next dozen or so years whether or not it is in the ACC and whether or not there is an ACC. And, in the absence of any knowledge either way, it makes far more sense that ESPN would have wanted the protection I am hypothesizing.
 
Your hypothesizing....may not be any better than mine....I do know that FSU has no contract with ESPN granting games...the ACC is the only entity with that contract....

The league typically receives and then distributes the media-rights revenues to member schools. In a hypothetical case, Jordan said, the ACC would keep the revenue for a team's home football game as the rights holder even if that team was playing in another league, then divide the departed school's amount among the remaining ACC schools.

But if the ACC is dissolved ?
 
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businesslawyer said:
You are repeating yourself with no new evidence or even theory. I would point out, then, that you don't know that ESPN wasn't granted the rights to televise FSU's games for the next dozen or so years whether or not it is in the ACC and whether or not there is an ACC. And, in the absence of any knowledge either way, it makes far more sense that ESPN would have wanted the protection I am hypothesizing.
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This is a college basketball message board, not a brief
 
Why is basketball so undervalued in all of this? Duke is an incredible brand. You have way more games in college basketball than football, the tournament is a part of the cultural fabric of the country and is probably the most highly bet on thing there is. I get that college football is a big deal but it's only 12 regular season games and then a bowl game.
 
billybud said:
Duke's Cameron Crazies make for TV pageantry...

2023 season...Top Ten most watched regular season games on ESPN/ABC

Duke...was #1...#2...#7...
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UConn vs Duke would be top 5.
 
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superjohn said:
Why is basketball so undervalued in all of this? Duke is an incredible brand. You have way more games in college basketball than football, the tournament is a part of the cultural fabric of the country and is probably the most highly bet on thing there is. I get that college football is a big deal but it's only 12 regular season games and then a bowl game.
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There’s talk that when the next NCAA tournament contract Is negotiated they might start and end the basketball season a 2-3 weeks later so there’s not as much overlap with football. That may be a way to get more TV money for the conferences.
 
superjohn said:
Why is basketball so undervalued in all of this? Duke is an incredible brand. You have way more games in college basketball than football, the tournament is a part of the cultural fabric of the country and is probably the most highly bet on thing there is. I get that college football is a big deal but it's only 12 regular season games and then a bowl game.
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Because the football regular season draws so many more eyeballs than basketball regular season.....last season there were 76 regular season games that drew 3.0 million or more...
 
UConn Dan said:
There’s talk that when the next NCAA tournament contract Is negotiated they might start and end the basketball season a 2-3 weeks later so there’s not as much overlap with football. That may be a way to get more TV money for the conferences.
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I like that idea. I hate when football and basketball end. Stretch it out.
 
superjohn said:
Why is basketball so undervalued in all of this? Duke is an incredible brand. You have way more games in college basketball than football, the tournament is a part of the cultural fabric of the country and is probably the most highly bet on thing there is. I get that college football is a big deal but it's only 12 regular season games and then a bowl game.
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Because foOtBaLl dRivEs tEh bUs.

At least that’s what the toothless redneck gomers CSNBBS say.
 
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