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Butchy said:
Making it to the history books repeatedly is relevant. The athletic department, especially the basketball programs, helped propel UConn to "public Ivy" status. Why do people deny such simple facts . . .
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It's not relevant in this context.

The ACC has taken Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech. The Big 12 took TCU and West Virginia. The Big 10 took Nebraska. The Pac 12 took Colorado and Utah. The SEC took Texas A&M and Missouri.

UConn has more hardware and banners in the rafters in the past 15 years than that entire group - combined. Hell, I am guessing UConn by itself has doubled what that group has done.

And we can see how much that mattered.
 
It means we're bound to end up amongst them. Our athletic department is not antiquated. We are not the University of Chicago.
 
Believe it or not, adding UConn, Cincinnati, and Louisville would make the Big 12 amongst the most storied basketball conferences in the country.

Going by total championships. It is very easy to rivalries in such a conference. Naismith invented the game in Springfield, right? We had to beat Louisville and Cincinnati last year to keep our momentum going to win the national title. The schools, along with Rutgers, do have a rivalry.
 
I forgot to add, another rivalry with WVU. USF would also be a safe grab for the Big 12. USF, WVU, RU, UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, and Notre Dame present the best options for the Big 12. Unfortunately, one of those schools cannot make the cut, if we go by 16 teams. I'd tend to think Cincinnati or USF would be left out.
 
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I'm counting on UCONN being in the ACC by 2014 at the latest because i don't believe the Big,Pac12,Big12,Sec,Acc want to be giving money to a basketball conference any longer. When the Big East messes up the Big 12 football schedule they invite Louisville,cin,usf rutgers, and UCONN gets their ACC invite no Big East football league. Then Notre Dame would discuss a deal which i think they have already made. Ask yourselves why invite a team from california unless you want the league to fail? This way they walk away as the good guy and can say we tryed our best to save the league.
 
It is very easy to create rivalries in such a conference*. How come we can't edit our own old posts anymore?

I think the Big 12 fans, at the very least, would be open to this idea. Their noses are just a little too high up in the air to admit they like the idea by just saying "not this again".

It is incredible to think two schools that were huge in establishing the two biggest sports would be in the same conference. Naismith at Kansas for basketball and Rutgers in gridiron football.
 
Personally I would love to have Texas and Oklahoma on our football schedule on a regular basis (especially with half the games at home, even if we farm some out to the Meadowlands/Foxboro) and the second level of their football programs (Ok St, T Tech, WVU when they joing and KSU) are at the moment at worst similar to the top level of what we will have in the BE.

The B-12 however is a temporary situation (solid for the six year media rights agreement, unknown beyond that) so the decision (if an offer does arrive) may not be an easy one. The BE also is little more than a temporary situation so a determination of whether an offer from someone else (ACC or B1G) may be a realistic possibility within that time frame would impact the decision.
 
Butchy said:
It is incredible to think two schools that were huge in establishing the two biggest sports would be in the same conference. Naismith at Kansas for basketball and Rutgers in gridiron football.
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It would actually be Rutgers for football and Springfield College for basketball. Although James Naismith was KU's first coach the game was invented while he was at Springfield. Also, Naismith is the only KU coach with a career losing record. The coach that brought KU to the limelight was the second coach, Phog Allen.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Personally I would love to have Texas and Oklahoma on our football schedule on a regular basis (especially with half the games at home, even if we farm some out to the Meadowlands/Foxboro) and the second level of their football programs (Ok St, T Tech, WVU when they joing and KSU) are at the moment at worst similar to the top level of what we will have in the BE.

The B-12 however is a temporary situation (solid for the six year media rights agreement, unknown beyond that) so the decision (if an offer does arrive) may not be an easy one. The BE also is little more than a temporary situation so a determination of whether an offer from someone else (ACC or B1G) may be a realistic possibility within that time frame would impact the decision.
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Agreed, however I don't think you have a choice if the B12 offers. You can't trust the ACC or B10 to add us even if they say they will. If we rebuffed the B12, they'd just fill the spot elsewhere and one more seat is gone. Its money talks and bullshit walks in this game. No formal offer is no offer at all.
 
Looking at who the Big 10 has offered, they go after big schools, with
large stadiums, and with a football history. It would be great, but
I don't think it has a chance of happening.
 
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Nostical said:
I'd encourage you to go back and read Waquoit's post above. That guy who knows a guy? Shhhhhhh. He's on to something.
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As soon as I read his post I new your post was not far behind. I would have bet the farm. (grin)
 
Of course the B1G is the first option, but if it's between the ACC and the B12, I'm going ACC all the way. Seriously, screw football. It'll be fine in either conference and make us boatloads of money. But are you telling me as a UConn fan that you would not rather see UConn v. Duke/UNC/Pitt/Cuse but instead UConn v. Kansas St./Kansas/Texas? C'mon!!! That is a freaking no brainer!!!
 
I want BC's and Syracuse's hearts on a platter when this is all said and done.

Ten years from now I want both those programs to consider eliminating or downgrading their football programs because they cannot compete in the Northeast with UCONN. That scenario is most likely with a move to the ACC.

That is what I want.
 
sportsart said:
As soon as I read his post I new your post was not far behind. I would have bet the farm. (grin)
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I try to read the boneyard frequently, but apparently I do not read frequently enough. What is the backstory here?
 
What's the next big chip to fall? Are we still waiting on ND or will more shifts happen when Big 12 makes their moves? And what are our chances of going anywhere?
Big East- 45pct?
Acc- 35pct?
B10-10pct?
B12-10pct?
 
Blue whale said:
What's the next big chip to fall? Are we still waiting on ND or will more shifts happen when Big 12 makes their moves? And what are our chances of going anywhere?
Big East- 45pct?
Acc- 35pct?
B10-10pct?
B12-10pct?
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Handicapping anything requires a time frame. I'd say if the time frame is within the next 6 months, it's something like:

Big East 95%
The field 5%

Anything might happen over six months from now because six months from now (roughly) brings about the date that WVU claims they're leaving the Big East, June 30, 2012. All hell might just break loose then.
 
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If we get the ACC invite we'd probably jump without anything more than a few back-channel inquiries to other conferences. I'd guess the vast majority of UConn's student/alumni base are New England / Northeast corridor / mid-atlantic. Probably eastern/central Pa + NJ account for as much as NE (outside of CT), and by keeping associations with SU, Pitt possibly RU and adding BC, maryland we can keep that regional profile. And as I've posted before ,being associated academically with UVa, UNC and Duke would be seen as a big plus by UConn's leadership.

Now if the big package deal to the B12 happens first, I don't know if we could turn that down either, I would think if it did we'd also work the phones hard with ND, Rutgers, and ACC schools to see what kind of counter-deals we could work out. #BegHarder redux.
 
I think where Notre Dame goes, we go. I think ND would rather go to the Big 12 or the B1G than the ACC. The record in BCS games speaks for itself. ND puts football ahead of everything else, obviously. ND + Texas = HUGE payday for the rest of the conference. If they can poach the ACC successfully, the Big 12 might as well aim for FSU, Miami, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville and Notre Dame to get to 16. That would be one heck of a conference.

No one in Miami even cares for ACC football.
 
The only pressure I see is the B12 looking at the PAC and BiG incest fest and realize they don't have a dance partner. A 14-team SEC and a 14-team ACC look like a more natural dance card.

A B12 network is hampered by a lack of content with only 10 teams. As the SEC found out if you sell too many games to network and regional TV it makes an SEC network difficult. Offering the 4 worst and most unwatchable SEC matchups every week (The Vandy and Kentucky drubbings by the Mississippi teams and Southern Hairdressing schools) isn't a great marketing ploy.

Sure Texas will be OK. Even they can see some fall out here if the SEC and ACC seriously pursue alignment.

As soon as WVU settles I expect another move. At this juncture any conference thinking of expanding has a limited list of candidates. Who blinks first?
 
RS9999X said:
The only pressure I see is the B12 looking at the PAC and BiG incest fest and realize they don't have a dance partner. A 14-team SEC and a 14-team ACC look like a more natural dance card.

A B12 network is hampered by a lack of content with only 10 teams. As the SEC found out if you sell too many games to network and regional TV it makes an SEC network difficult. Offering the 4 worst and most unwatchable SEC matchups every week (The Vandy and Kentucky drubbings by the Mississippi teams and Southern Hairdressing schools) isn't a great marketing ploy.

Sure Texas will be OK. Even they can see some fall out here if the SEC and ACC seriously pursue alignment.

As soon as WVU settles I expect another move. At this juncture any conference thinking of expanding has a limited list of candidates. Who blinks first?
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I think that now would be the perfect time for the SEC and possibly Big 12 to raid the ACC before they renegotiate that TV contract and while the pundits are espousing how bad they are.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
I think that now would be the perfect time for the SEC and possibly Big 12 to raid the ACC before they renegotiate that TV contract and while the pundits are espousing how bad they are.
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I just can't see any ACC teams leaving for the B12. The SEC, sure, but not the B12. It just isn't stable enough to poach from any other BCS league except ours. I really think we've got a better shot at the B12 than the B12 has got luring anyone from the ACC. Now, if the B1G were to call, say, Maryland, they'd probably be willing to listen.

But, to your major point, someone should poach the ACC. I'm getting bored without the presence of conference realignment news every day.
 
MattMang23 said:
I just can't see any ACC teams leaving for the B12. The SEC, sure, but not the B12. It just isn't stable enough to poach from any other BCS league except ours. I really think we've got a better shot at the B12 than the B12 has got luring anyone from the ACC. Now, if the B1G were to call, say, Maryland, they'd probably be willing to listen.

But, to your major point, someone should poach the ACC. I'm getting bored without the presence of conference realignment news every day.
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I know it's not likely to happen but while the B12 may be a bit unstable it's still a better conference and makes more money than the ACC. The football is going to be second only to the SEC once WVU and TCU come on board. I just can't help but hate the ACC and would love to see them decimated the way we have been. I think the SEC will definitely take 2 from them in the near future. More ACC defections is wishful thinking but I think it makes sense for a school like FSU, VT, Clemson, ect. The Big 12 doesn't have any Wakes, Dukes, or BC level schools in football that really drag things down.
 
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HartbeatHusky said:
I know it's not likely to happen but while the B12 may be a bit unstable it's still a better conference and makes more money than the ACC. The football is going to be second only to the SEC once WVU and TCU come on board. I just can't help but hate the ACC and would love to see them decimated the way we have been. I think the SEC will definitely take 2 from them in the near future. More ACC defections is wishful thinking but I think it makes sense for a school like FSU, VT, Clemson, ect. The Big 12 doesn't have any Wakes, Dukes, or BC level schools in football that really drag things down.
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Baylor? And I don't care that they had the Heisman winner this year; they are historically Wake Forest.

As for killing the ACC, until we are told "no" without a shadow of a doubt, I don't want to see it killed. We need a soft landing spot. If they ever told us no definitively, then I pray for its slow, painful bleeding to death.
 
MattMang23 said:
I just can't see any ACC teams leaving for the B12. The SEC, sure, but not the B12. It just isn't stable enough to poach from any other BCS league except ours. .
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The Florida State President made a persuasive case for staying in the ACC.

Burning Bridges and going to the B12 is shortsighted. That's a No.

Going to the SEC? Stable but a lousy environment for football if winning and national visibility is a goal. The arms race in the B12 and SEC is out of control. Other sports aren't as good. Any additional money will have to be spent on athletics and facilities.

Research Dollars? Losing one good-sized research grant dwarfs any additional money the SEC can provide in athletics.
The SEC won't improve their relationship with Florida the SEC's other top research U, Vandy, isn't the North Carolina Research Triangle or Georgia Techs's Research Park. There isn't a compelling reason to leave when football is the only consideration and other sports coaches and academic departments and research interests all say no.
 
MattMang23 said:
Baylor? And I don't care that they had the Heisman winner this year; they are historically Wake Forest.

As for killing the ACC, until we are told "no" without a shadow of a doubt, I don't want to see it killed. We need a soft landing spot. If they ever told us no definitively, then I pray for its slow, painful bleeding to death.
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I agree to an extent, but until I see any sort of resurgence Baylor is heads and shoulders above BC and Duke as well, with basketball being the exception with Duke.
 
ACC over B12 any day, the minute OU and/or Texas decides they want to look elsewhere when that six year agreement ends, the conference is toast.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
I agree to an extent, but until I see any sort of resurgence Baylor is heads and shoulders above BC and Duke as well, with basketball being the exception with Duke.
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F BCU, they're horrible at everything (except academix!!!!1). The B12 is certainly more deep overall in football than the ACC. I'd never argue that one. But the B12 does have its lackluster programs. Kansas is another. I guess an argument can be made though that the level of competition in the B12 makes these teams look worse than a team with, say, the same record in the ACC.
 
F the ACC. They are hopeless athletically. The B1G, SEC and the Big 12 can tear them up.
 
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