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This conference represents a very conservative area of the country. At the end of the day it will remain as parochial as possible. (for the lack of a better term) but I hope I'm wrong.
Parochialism is why such a great football and multi-sports conference is tethering on the brink of being nothing more than an historic footnote.
Remember the motto of the state of Ct
"Qui Transtulit Sustinet"
Translation:He Who Transplanted Still Sustains
Pretty much the pioneer motto of the US and Something thst should be the driving force in B12 expansion
 
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You have to watch for those sneaky SOB's who don't make much noise but jump out at ya...like UConn...I feel good about the Big 12...let them talk up others...but watch out for the quiet one.

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I made this post many times and it's actually something I never considered until I moved to AZ . Only an expatriate could have this insight .
To any B12 lurkers
The whole state of Ct is small ,it's very wooded when you get away from the coast
The Golden Oaks and The brilliant Reds of the Maples makes Ct in the fall one of the most beautiful places in the US
The rivers are picturesque and It has 120 miles if coast line
Its smack between two of Americas favorite City destinations NYC ,and Boston
A visitor can stay in Ct and easily spend a day in either city or stay in either city
and make the game. Good restaurants abound
Little Italy in New Haven is home to Pepes s pizza
The ocean usually moderates the weather and snow or extremely cold weather is rare before Christmas.
You actually can fly into many airports to get to a game
although Storrs is tucked away in a rural corner of the state ,as it started life as an Aggie school ,football is played right in the center
Depending on how you plan your trip you can fly into
The Three major NY airports , Hartford ,Boston , Providence ,
Westchester ,and Newburgh all can get you close enough to the game.
If it's a late Nov. Game ,the ski resorts might be making snow or its a short drive to Vermont
If you fly to Providence you can explore the coast , or visit the Newport RI mansions, even visit the USS Massachusetts a WWII battledhip
Or stay at either if two great Connecticut Casinos ,which are also near Mystic Aquarium,and Seaport
My wife always makes a pilgrimage to the Clinton Crossings Outlets and the Dooney and Burk store
There are some great Ct river towns like, Essex , there is also a submarine base in Groton
You Texas guys can visit the ancestral home of the Austin family ( only a Ct Yankee could have pulled off that scam) in Ct your not a Yankee unless your family has been here for 400 years. My wife's a Yankee difficult people to deal with.
You folks from Iowa or Kansas might trace your ancestors back to Ct
Living in Aruzona where an old house was built in 1990's I love the old houses
There are so many quant little New England towns with houses dated as far back as the 17th century
One of my favorite towns is Concord Mass, home if Walden pond, and a bunch of writers and absolutely post card New England
But if you want a real thrill stand in Concord Bridge and imagine the guts of those hick Yankee farmers as they faced off against one of the best armies in the world .fought them to a draw and harassed them all the way back to Boston

If you like to travel with your team there is no better destination.
Very well said. People think coming to CT in the fall is a bad thing? Don't tell the thousands of tourists who do it each year. Average high in Nov is 50 and 40 in Dec. The chilliest game last year was ECU the day before Halloween and temps stayed in the upper-mid 40s. There's been snow on the field during a game maybe what 3 times? I will say the Memphis and Rutgers games to close out 2013 were miserable as was SMU in 2014.
 
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I remember that pep talk when the ACC added Boston....

Boston and surrounding Massachusetts in the fall is lovely, and enticingly historic....

A really nice destination....but their sports ain't much to talk about.


I really think it will come down to brand, program fan support, market considerations, sports prowess...

Your dumb conference picked a school no one cares about
 
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BC is a small Jesuit private in the Bible belt . Heck they don't even speak English in Boston
Connecticut, is a State Flag ship like ,UT,OU,UK, or large
Publics like TT,IS,KS',OSU
Baylor and TCU are the exception
UConn also so has a past deeply rooted as an Aggie School like much of the B12

From your reply I would guess you have not spent a lot of time in Charlottesville, Chapel Hill, Durham, Atlanta, Miami, Louisville, never mind Syracuse & Pittsburgh. I'll give you Winston-Salem, Clemson and maybe Tallahassee (off the FSU campus) as BB, the others not so much. Also I'm not sure what the extensive row crop farming research at KU and KSU have in common with a dairy barn in Storrs.

My point is that none of that really matters and never did.
 

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Louisville is happy where they are.
As they should be. Hey who'd you guys get to replace Pitino. It will good for you to be able to that embarrassing scandal machine behind you.
 

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As they should be. Hey who'd you guys get to replace Pitino. It will good for you to be able to that embarrassing scandal machine behind you.

Yes, at least they find themselves amongst their own kind, although they've taken cheating to the next level, with hookers and blow for the BB recruits. Their ACC compatriots are proud of the effort and innovation shown by Jurich and Tricky Ricky.
 
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... a dorm brothel, restaurant table, or crashed motorcycle this time? Who crashes and burns furst, Pitino or Petrino? My Louisville neighbor put his chips on Petrino, but removed and hasn't flown his Loiusville flag since the unveiling of Petino's hooker-inspired recruiting. No ill intent, he's actually a good guy. ;)

Is your neighbor ok with the coke?
 
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Very well said. People think coming to CT in the fall is a bad thing? Don't tell the thousands of tourists who do it each year. Average high in Nov is 50 and 40 in Dec. The chilliest game last year was ECU the day before Halloween and temps stayed in the upper-mid 40s. There's been snow on the field during a game maybe what 3 times? I will say the Memphis and Rutgers games to close out 2013 were miserable as was SMU in 2014.


the coldest game was Houston. I was freezing my ass off until i stormed the field
 
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I always think the geography argument for keeping a team like UConn out is bizarre from a Big 12 perspective.

Say UConn is added and we begin playing Big 12 hoops, football, men's soccer, softball, baseball, men's and women's tennis. Those are the sports that UConn has that are sponsored by the Big 12.

If you are TCU during any given athletic season you aren't sending every single one of these teams to CT to play. If the Big 12 goes to 14, you can count on sending one of two basketball teams, baseball, softball and tennis (typically men and women travel together) once a year for sure. Alternate football and soccer every other year and most years you're sending 4-6 of your teams to Connecticut to compete.

This is going to break an athletic departments bank? 4-6 trips a year? No freakin way.

The issue of Geography is an "issue" for teams like WVU and possibly UConn who are looking at probably 20+ trips to Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas annually.

So, really the Geography "problem" isn't a problem for the existing Big 12 membership. It's a strawman argument, in my opinion.

Edit: I missed Swimming & Diving, Golf and Track & Field initially. So if you're TCU you are looking at 7-9 trips a year. Still for an entire athletic department, that's not going to break your bank.
 
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FSU President Barron sent an email to FSU fans/boosters stating that it would cost about an additional $2 million in travel to play in the Big 12.

From Barron's report to FSU BOT as reported in 2012...

Cost analysis: Barron estimates a $2 million increase in its travel budget with a move to the Big 12, going from the current figure of $4.975 million to $6.988 million. A FSU official told Warchant.com that the $4.975 million figure does not include travel costs for NCAA postseason play. Barron also acknowledges that while the pending Big 12 TV contract is rumored to pay out about $20 million per team, "we might speculate that a single new school of sufficient caliber who would make a Big-12 contract worth $22 million. - the total value obviously depends on the number of new teams and their market. So, net over the ACC could be $5M - compared to change in travel costs and payback."
 
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FSU President Barron sent an email to FSU fans/boosters stating that it would cost about an additional $2 million in travel to play in the Big 12.

From Barron's report to FSU BOT as reported in 2012...

Cost analysis: Barron estimates a $2 million increase in its travel budget with a move to the Big 12, going from the current figure of $4.975 million to $6.988 million. A FSU official told Warchant.com that the $4.975 million figure does not include travel costs for NCAA postseason play. Barron also acknowledges that while the pending Big 12 TV contract is rumored to pay out about $20 million per team, "we might speculate that a single new school of sufficient caliber who would make a Big-12 contract worth $22 million. - the total value obviously depends on the number of new teams and their market. So, net over the ACC could be $5M - compared to change in travel costs and payback."

So $2 million more in travel for a school located in Tallahassee, Florida to join the Big 12, where they would be sending all their Varsity Sports to Texas and the plains states for an entire academic year.

For existing Big 12 members to send their teams to CT a fraction of the # of times that FSU would have hypothetically travelled into Big 12 country, I think it's fair to estimate that cost at around an additional $250K per year - something each existing Big 12 school would recoup in adding a national brand like UConn.
 
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The charter flights for baseball, football, basketball, women's BB, women's soccer, and women's volleyball made up the bulk of the expense for FSU...

As you stated, for Big 12, it would be spread among many programs and no one program would bear the burden...depending on division alignment, different teams would be affected to a much lesser extent than UConn travelling.
 
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Honestly, if I were UConn I would offer a credit for excessive travel for the B12 teams. Certainly there is cost for any to travel and stay, but if avg. charter in current conference is say $50k and will be $75k to UConn why not offer credits. Can't be more than $500-1m annually.



The charter flights for baseball, football, basketball, women's BB, women's soccer, and women's volleyball made up the bulk of the expense for FSU...

As you stated, for Big 12, it would be spread among many programs and no one program would bear the burden...depending on division alignment, different teams would be affected to a much lesser extent than UConn travelling.
 

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Epic slap in the face to Aresco. Especially when they have 0% chance of getting in. Would be like me leaving a job application for CEO of another company on my bosses desk.

How is that? What does ECU care about Aresco's feelings? What can Aresco do to ECU?

If I'm ECU why wouldn't I pretend I can be a candidate?

Mike Aresco would leave tomorrow for the Big 12 himself.
 
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How is that? What does ECU care about Aresco's feelings? What can Aresco do to ECU?

If I'm ECU why wouldn't I pretend I can be a candidate?

Mike Aresco would leave tomorrow for the Big 12 himself.
So it's NOT a slap in his face?
 

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So it's NOT a slap in his face?

That ECU would rather be in the Big 12 than the American?

I'm pretty sure Mike Aresco knows that. Should we be all be insulted he would rather be the commissioner of the Pac 12?

Half the teams in the league are holding a public campaign - the other half are holding a private campaign.

Why would Aresco take any of it personally?
 
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