Big 12 “Looking to Plant A Flag In NYC”

[Drew]

“The Big 12 will announce Thursday it is partnering with Rucker Park to launch a series of youth clinics featuring its head basketball coaches in Harlem this summer and hopes to host exhibition games on the famed playground court in 2024, a conference source told The Athletic.

The conference is aiming to host men’s and women’s exhibition games at Rucker Park in the summer of 2024, pending approval from the NCAA. The Big 12 will send men’s and women’s basketball coaches to New York City to lead the clinics for local sixth graders and younger this summer.”

 

[Drew]

I wonder how else they could really plant a flag in the NYC area on a more permanent and year round basis?

 

[kobebeanbryant]

Would have been cool if Big East did this…

 

[Rico444]

I wonder how else they could really plant a flag in the NYC area on a more permanent and year round basis?

Pass. Moving from the Big East is going to weaken the basketball program. It makes sense to do it for the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC, but not the Big Twelve.

 

[CL82]

Pass. Moving from the Big East is going to weaken the basketball program. It makes sense to do it for the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC, but not the Big Twelve.

I wouldn’t love it, from a fan’s perspective, but from a long-term financial stability perspective, I don’t think we could say no if full membership was offered. On the other hand, I have a lot of hesitancy about the proposed basketball only addition with St. John’s Nova and Georgetown that is getting some Internet buzz.

 

[PNolanFan]

I am mostly in the ACC or Big10 or stay camp but have to look at finances. I believe it would be somewhere between 10 and 20 million a year in extra revenue being in the big12. That is a big enough number where you kind of have to take it

 

[uconngb]

I am mostly in the ACC or Big10 or stay camp but have to look at finances. I believe it would be somewhere between 10 and 20 million a year in extra revenue being in the big12. That is a big enough number where you kind of have to take it

Make no mistake about it, the next move if there is one will be financially motivated. The athletic department is hemorrhaging cash and it can’t go on forever.

 

[Drew]

As a FBS member, my understanding is UConn (or any other school in FBS) can’t join a conference that sponsors FBS football as basketball only with football in a different league/remaining independent.

If the B12 adds UConn it has to be in either football only or all sports

 

[hoopsfan22]

As a FBS member, my understanding is UConn (or any other school in FBS) can’t join a conference that sponsors FBS football as basketball only with football in a different league/remaining independent.

If the B12 adds UConn it has to be in either football only or all sports

I've always thought that was an NCAA rule, but even if it is, these days it seems like the NCAA is hands off and letting the car just drive itself and where ever it goes it goes.

 

[Drew]

As a FBS member, my understanding is UConn (or any other school in FBS) can’t join a conference that sponsors FBS football as basketball only with football in a different league/remaining independent.

If the B12 adds UConn it has to be in either football only or all sports

I've always thought that was an NCAA rule, but even if it is, these days it seems like the NCAA is hands off and letting the car just drive itself and where ever it goes it goes.

I lied- they could remain independent (Notre Dame + ACC example) just not in another FBS league

 

[djct1999]

Long term, is the Big 12 more stable than the acc?

 

[hoopsfan22]

Long term, is the Big 12 more stable than the acc?

I think the question of survival comes down to who is more aggressive and thinking big about expansion? Big 12 is looking to add actual big name brands people have heard of to their conference. Pac 12 is looking to back fill with Fresno St and SDSU and can't find a network interested in broadcasting their games. ACC is just going to sit on their hands and watch the house burn down around them because they're the Pac 12 of the east coast when push comes to shove. In the short term I think this goes to a P2 then a middle tier like the Big 12 and then a tier of former power schools dangling by a thread from falling into the abyss hoping to be saved at the last minute by the P2.

 

[DoctorWho85]

Pass. Moving from the Big East is going to weaken the basketball program. It makes sense to do it for the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC, but not the Big Twelve.

I'm more of a football fan, but I can't agree with this more. With Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 is going to suffer greatly with TV revenue and recruiting. The closest team for UConn would be WV and that's still a haul. Big 10 and ACC are the only conferences that make financial sense for UConn to move to on a permanent basis.

 

[Drew]

I'm more of a football fan, but I can't agree with this more. With Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 is going to suffer greatly with TV revenue and recruiting. The closest team for UConn would be WV and that's still a haul. Big 10 and ACC are the only conferences that make financial sense for UConn to move to on a permanent basis.

Didn’t the Big 12 just sign a TV deal at like $31M per team sans OU and TX? How are they suffering greatly with TV revenue?

 

[Hoophound]

I’d love to be in the B1G or SEC but that’s not likely. The B12 is probably a better option than the ACC right now. It is certainly more stable, at a minimum.

 

[CL82]

I am mostly in the ACC or Big10 or stay camp but have to look at finances. I believe it would be somewhere between 10 and 20 million a year in extra revenue being in the big12. That is a big enough number where you kind of have to take it

$10 million a year, no. $20 million a year, yes.

In between, it depends on how close to either end it is.

(Oh wait, you were talking about 10 to 20,000,000 a year in extra revenue? Then yes depending on how you define extra. If you were saying $10-$20 million over the expected new Big East contract, then definitely, but I can’t see it being that high.)

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I think the question of survival comes down to who is more aggressive and thinking big about expansion? Big 12 is looking to add actual big name brands people have heard of to their conference. Pac 12 is looking to back fill with Fresno St and SDSU and can't find a network interested in broadcasting their games. ACC is just going to sit on their hands and watch the house burn down around them because they're the Pac 12 of the east coast when push comes to shove. In the short term I think this goes to a P2 then a middle tier like the Big 12 and then a tier of former power schools dangling by a thread from falling into the abyss hoping to be saved at the last minute by the P2.

As a ten plus years veteran of Conference realignment . I can tell you conventional wisdom was the
reason the ACC passed on us was are inability to go to another conference. We were always available if needed . However In an era where coast to coast conferences are a reality and formerly regional one like the B12 moved eastward with Cincinnati and UCF and eyeing the unplanted ground of the Northeast . (Heck even the Pac 12 added a different time zone in SMU ), that objection is removed .
The folks in the ACC have to be getting sweaty hands. Even though some teams that think they’re P2 material there is no guarantee and the G.O. R. keeps them together until 2035.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Pass. Moving from the Big East is going to weaken the basketball program. It makes sense to do it for the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC, but not the Big Twelve.

Yeah, joining the top basketball league of the last many years would weaken basketball. I don't see it. Our fans had problems with the American, but Kansas and Oklahoma State are not Wichita State and Tulsa. West Virginia, Cinci and Houston we know. It would be epic for football and baseball. It would even help basketball.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Didn’t the Big 12 just sign a TV deal at like $31M per team sans OU and TX? How are they suffering greatly with TV revenue?

They will make close to $50,000,000 per team annually. They also take the lion share of football playoff money.
That will be 1/2 the BB tournament revenue but 90% is kept by the P5
No sharing with anyone not FSB .
Basketball revenue is cut into many pieces.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Long term, is the Big 12 more stable than the acc?

I think so, because they now are better in football (and basketball) than the ACC, the Big12 can expand east or west if/when it wants or needs to, it can bring its tv contract back to market before the ACC, and doesn't risk losing its biggest brands anytime soon. The schools also seem to be more aligned than the scatter plot schools in the ACC (i.e. some flagship state schools and some small private schools). And they seem to have more progressive leadership.

 

[aburks41]

The B12 expanding with UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and St Johns would be pretty dope. It would give us 3 rivals (plus Cincy and WVU). If they wanted to completely dominate CBB, that's how you would do it.

 

[Sole]

The big east is the best place for our basketball

 

[superjohn]

Yeah, joining the top basketball league of the last many years would weaken basketball. I don't see it. Our fans had problems with the American, but Kansas and Oklahoma State are not Wichita State and Tulsa. West Virginia, Cinci and Houston we know. It would be epic for football and baseball. It would even help basketball.

I don't see how it would help us in basketball, Big East is the perfect place for UConn basketball. If it ever came to that it would be all about money.

 

[Rico444]

Yeah, joining the top basketball league of the last many years would weaken basketball. I don't see it. Our fans had problems with the American, but Kansas and Oklahoma State are not Wichita State and Tulsa. West Virginia, Cinci and Houston we know. It would be epic for football and baseball. It would even help basketball.

It would not help basketball. It would significantly affect our recruiting footprint. The kids we're bringing in, for the most part, want to play in the Big East. The Big 12 is a great league, there's no question, but we're not a cultural fit like we are here in the Big East. The level of competition would probably remain the same if not improve, that's for sure, but that's not the only consideration.

The Big 12 has already had its two best programs jump ship. Doesn't that concern you about their long-term viability?

Lastly, every single team that has left the Big East over the last decade plus has had their basketball program fall off significantly. The ACC was supposed to be the best basketball conference in history when Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville went there; all three of those programs has had a major decline.

 

[Sole]

It would not help basketball. It would significantly affect our recruiting footprint. The kids we're bringing in, for the most part, want to play in the Big East. The Big 12 is a great league, there's no question, but we're not a cultural fit like we are here in the Big East. The level of competition would probably remain the same if not improve, that's for sure, but that's not the only consideration.

The Big 12 has already had its two best programs jump ship. Doesn't that concern you about their long-term viability?

Lastly, every single team that has left the Big East over the last decade plus has had their basketball program fall off significantly. The ACC was supposed to be the best basketball conference in history when Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville went there; all three of those programs has had a major decline.

Nicely said

 

[Hurleyman216]

Half the people on here will hate me for this but we’re getting to a point where we need to decide whether to dump football. With Mora here I’m more confident that they can become relevant again in the next 5 years, but you can’t keep a program that tanks the athletic budget every year and underperforms. We keep football for now because it MIGHT give us better financial options soon. The one benefit of the Big East is these schools don’t have football so they aren’t going to get poached by other conferences. It makes the Big East an extremely stable place to be.

 

[Hoophound]

Nicely said, but we are going to continue to play football and our football program will have to provide the money to run our basketball programs at a competitive level down the road. The Big East isn’t going to generate the money to compete for much longer. We’ve got to get a pay day.

Something I’ve been meaning to mention- Georgetown is reportedly paying Cooley close to $6,000,000. Georgetown is spending more than the conference pays them on the salary of ONE coach, who isn’t even that good. Georgetown has set a precedent within the conference for SEC stupid pay and for that, they got Ed freakin’ Cooley. The arms race is real. Something has to give for us to continue like this. If Ed’s worth 6m, what’s Danny worth if he makes the FF, 8m? Where is the money coming from? It won’t be from the Big East unless it starts paying 12m/year, and it won’t.

 

[Huskyforlife]

If they add us with Nova/Georgetown/St John’s, they’re basically taking all the relevant Big East programs anyways. The basketball conference would be the best in a landslide, and football/baseball would be saved. It’s a no brainer.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It would not help basketball. It would significantly affect our recruiting footprint. The kids we're bringing in, for the most part, want to play in the Big East. The Big 12 is a great league, there's no question, but we're not a cultural fit like we are here in the Big East. The level of competition would probably remain the same if not improve, that's for sure, but that's not the only consideration.

The Big 12 has already had its two best programs jump ship. Doesn't that concern you about their long-term viability?

Lastly, every single team that has left the Big East over the last decade plus has had their basketball program fall off significantly. The ACC was supposed to be the best basketball conference in history when Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville went there; all three of those programs has had a major decline.

I don't think the Big East is a draw for recruits any more than the Big 12 would be. We may confuse wanting to play in a good league with wanting to play in this league. UConn in any P5 league other than the Pac, would be fine.

As for the fall off. Louisville did fine while Pitino was there. They had to replace him. Mack has been a failure. Syracuse went to the tournament every year but one where it was eligible until 2021-22. The decline is due to Boeheim staying way past his sell by date. A final 4 and two sweet 16s. Pitt was fine until Dixon left. Stallings was awful. Capel may have figured it out, we will see. Miami has actually been better in the ACC, again, I think it's the coaching changes. BC sucked in both leagues.

Not worried about the stability. OU and UT were the top names in football, but TCU played in the football title game and KU won a NC last year. Baylor won two years ago. Long term, it's a better spot than the Big East.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Pass. Moving from the Big East is going to weaken the basketball program. It makes sense to do it for the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC, but not the Big Twelve.

UConn can’t say no to big 12 money. But I would prefer not there.

Hope they don’t ask. Lol.