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Nneka is the most athletic and has more weapons than Griner.
 
Griner needs help to look good... EDD doesn't, as we can see she can make her teammates look better. She has had handle which allows her to create on her own.

BG's only advantage over EDD is blocking shots

desire and coaching plays a major role also

I'll take EDD
 
EDD also is the sole focus of many teams she plays since much of the support players on the team are only OK. Giving her free reign can result in 40 points as against PSU.
 
Icebear said:
EDD also is the sole focus of many teams she plays since much of the support players on the team are only OK. Giving her free reign can result in 40 points as against PSU.
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she scored 40 and the Blue Hens as a team had 80... against PSU. Those support players did a solid job.

EDD had one assist (ist play of the games) so she's wasnt getting her team involved but she did have a nice number of blocks & steals. She also had ZERO 3ptrs
 
EDD might be the best college player, but for the WNBA I'd take Griner and Nnemkadi Oguwmike over EDD.

IMHO the quick athletic pros that are similar in size to EDD will be able limit her effectiveness. They will deny her the ball and use their additional strength to out muscle her. In college she plays similar to Lauren Jackson and IMHO I don't think she will be able to do it in the pros.
 
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DaddyChoc said:
she scored 40 and the Blue Hens as a team had 80... against PSU. Those support players did a solid job.

EDD had one assist (ist play of the games) so she's wasnt getting her team involved but she did have a nice number of blocks & steals. She also had ZERO 3ptrs
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PSU ? every team that is concidered good can beat PSU. Delaware nor EDD play against the best in WCBB, sure she has a load of talent no one argues that, but she is a big fish in a small pond at this point. What would EDD and her teams output look like against MM,TC,RM, TH, Kelis Fisher, etc etc. You have to be comparing apple to apples when a discussion like this occurs, much of this discussion certainly is not apples to apples as it were.
 

1. The question was based on performance in college basketball this year. The world championships have nothing to do with it.

2. She played with, not against the best players. Big difference.
 
DaddyChoc said:
she scored 40 and the Blue Hens as a team had 80... against PSU. Those support players did a solid job.

EDD had one assist (ist play of the games) so she's wasnt getting her team involved but she did have a nice number of blocks & steals. She also had ZERO 3ptrs
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Remember that it is relative with PSU. They really don't guard anyone.
 
cardfan said:
Nneka is the most athletic and has more weapons than Griner.
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Offensively yes.
But no one changes the game defensively the way Griner does. By a mile.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
In college she plays similar to Lauren Jackson and IMHO I don't think she will be able to do it in the pros.
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EDD does not play like Lauren Jackson. Yes, Lauren spends time on the perimeter because her 3-pt shot is very good and she's able to draw post defenders away from the basket. Lauren might have spent a little more time on the perimeter last year to avoid contact with her repaired and very painful hip. (Jackson tore her labrum which is incredibly painful.) But Lauren Jackson has played plenty of minutes in her career as a back to the basket center and has played physically in the post with the best of them. She's tough as nails and not only takes contact, but she dishes it out. If Elena played like Lauren Jackson -- and she doesn't -- I'd consider her the best player in college basketball.
 
Icebear said:
Remember that it is relative with PSU. They really don't guard anyone.
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come on Ice give the kid some credit...
Geno wanted (along with everyone here) her BAD!

and dont act like PSU is trash, you're one of their biggest cheerleaders (or was).

that Lucas kid isnt chopped liver (did she play in the Delaware game?)
 
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UConnCat said:
EDD does not play like Lauren Jackson. Yes, Lauren spends time on the perimeter because her 3-pt shot is very good and she's able to draw post defenders away from the basket. Lauren might have spent a little more time on the perimeter last year to avoid contact with her repaired and very painful hip. (Jackson tore her labrum which is incredibly painful.) But Lauren Jackson has played plenty of minutes in her career as a back to the basket center and has played physically in the post with the best of them. She's tough as nails and not only takes contact, but she dishes it out. If Elena played like Lauren Jackson -- and she doesn't -- I'd consider her the best player in college basketball.
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was Lauren playing like that at 20-21, just asking (I know she didnt attend college so Im wondering what her game was like as a youngster)
 
DaddyChoc said:
was Lauren playing like that at 20-21, just asking (I know she didnt attend college so Im wondering what her game was like as a youngster)
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Lauren was playing professionally in Australia when she was 17 (I think), and played on the Australian National team at 17. At 19 in an Olympic finals loss to the US, she put up 20 and 13. Lauren was 20 when she first joined the WNBA.

I understand the comparisons of size and skill level. Maybe Elena is a little more skilled at a comparable age. I just see a big difference in the physical part of the game that Lauren was exposed to at an early age. Plus, Jackson had to learn to play physically as she spent a lot of time in the post. We really haven't seen that from Elena and won't until she joins the WNBA.
 
UConnCat said:
Lauren was playing professionally in Australia when she was 17 (I think), and played on the Australian National team at 17. At 19 in an Olympic finals loss to the US, she put up 20 and 13. Lauren was 20 when she first joined the WNBA.

I understand the comparisons of size and skill level. Maybe Elena is a little more skilled at a comparable age. I just see a big difference in the physical part of the game that Lauren was exposed to at an early age. Plus, Jackson had to learn to play physically as she spent a lot of time in the post. We really haven't seen that from Elena and won't until she joins the WNBA.
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I think thats what Geno would have worked on with her... it may not happen at UD.
 
UConnCat what you're saying about Lauren's physicality is why I think EDD won't have the same success in the WNBA as she does in college. EDD is able to score both inside and with her outside shooting abilities in college due to how the game is played in college. Also take into consideration the level of competition that she's playing and she's heads and shoulders better then anyone she's playing against. Now if she was at UConn she would probably be a better player then she is today, but not scoring at the same pace as she does at Delaware.

A player that EDD reminds me of is Iciss Tillis of Duke. They're similar in size with a reluctance to play a physical game to take full advantage of their talents. However, I do believe EDD will have a more successful pro career if that is what she wants. EDD is a better shooter and has more skills.
 
UConnCat said:
EDD does not play like Lauren Jackson. Yes, Lauren spends time on the perimeter because her 3-pt shot is very good and she's able to draw post defenders away from the basket. Lauren might have spent a little more time on the perimeter last year to avoid contact with her repaired and very painful hip. (Jackson tore her labrum which is incredibly painful.) But Lauren Jackson has played plenty of minutes in her career as a back to the basket center and has played physically in the post with the best of them. She's tough as nails and not only takes contact, but she dishes it out. If Elena played like Lauren Jackson -- and she doesn't -- I'd consider her the best player in college basketball.
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Cat, in the game against PSU all of EDD's 40 points came inside the 3. In fact, she only attempted two threes. She is playing much more this year on the inside both facing up and with her back to the basket.
 
DaddyChoc said:
come on Ice give the kid some credit...
Geno wanted (along with everyone here) her BAD!

and dont act like PSU is trash, you're one of their biggest cheerleaders (or was).

that Lucas kid isnt chopped liver (did she play in the Delaware game?)
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DC, I was one of the first to say EDD is the best player in WCBB.

I did not act like PSU is trash. Fact is, however, and I have seen them play, they do not play much defense at all. Their premise of play presently is similar to UNC. Don't worry about the D just out score them. Their preference is to get the ball back quickly either with a steal or a quick basket and a score. Don't waste the clock. Two teams really slowed down the game against them, USC and Iowa State but that is not their preferred style of play.

Lucas was 4-17 and 3-11 from the 3pt line against Delaware.
 
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Icebear said:
Cat, in the game against PSU all of EDD's 40 points came inside the 3. In fact, she only attempted two threes. She is playing much more this year on the inside both facing up and with her back to the basket.
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I wasn't talking about EDD's 3s; I was talking about Jackson and the perimeter part of her game. I'm fully aware that EDD's attempted 3s are down from previous years so far; in previous years about 25-30% of her shots were 3s while this year about 12% of her shots have been 3s. She did lead USA basketball in 3-point attempts at the WUG games so it's a big part of her game and I expect her 3 attempts to increase this year.

I watched some of the PSU game and didn't see Elena posting up in the lane. Maybe she did that while I wasn't watching. I saw her spending a lot of time on the perimeter (which can be inside the arc). BTW, I have no problem with Elena shooting from the perimeter or mid-range jumpers as she has a lethal shot. I was commenting on the comparisons to Jackson. I see differences in their style of play. When healthy, Jackson can play inside and out and can play with finesse or play with physical contact. It's the physical play on both ends of the court where I see a big difference between the two. That's not to say Elena won't develop in to a physical player but up to this point she hasn't needed to.
 
Not even close. BRITTNEY GRINER hands down. Does EDD play the competition that Griner playes no.!!!!!!!!!!!
 
tower1 said:
Not even close. BRITTNEY GRINER hands down. Does EDD play the competition that Griner playes no.!!!!!!!!!!!
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That makes it harder to evaluate but does not mean the Griner is automatically the better player. Britney has much more to develop in her game than does EDD. Being the better player is not dependent on ones competition.
 
Icebear said:
That makes it harder to evaluate but does not mean the Griner is automatically the better player. Britney has much more to develop in her game than does EDD. Being the better player is not dependent on ones competition.
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+1
 
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boontonbomber said:
it's early in the season, but who is the best player?
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I would say it depends on what you mean "best player". The player in WCBB this year who will be the most dominant over her career, college, WNBA, and otherwise? Or the player that is the most effective, dangerous player in WCBB this year specifically?

If the first, then it is Griner. her combination of physical gifts, and her obvious process of maturation both as a player and a person mark her as a big part of the future of wbb as a sport. But just this year, in American WCBB? It's Nneka, she's having a monster year in all phases of the game in a year when her team needs her to have a monster year.
 
boontonbomber said:
it's early in the season, but who is the best player?
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Ask the experts(Geno, etc.); look at the voting for last year's Player of the Year. Look at the voting for POY at the end of this season.
Finally, at collegiate career's end, look at the order of who is drafted.
 
Icebear said:
That makes it harder to evaluate but does not mean the Griner is automatically the better player. Britney has much more to develop in her game than does EDD. Being the better player is not dependent on ones competition.
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In which Edd has always played against much weaker competition every single season than what a MM, BG, SD and SD, etc etc did and do she can not begin to be considered best compared to those that play against higher quality competition and excel, Edd has not proved herself against the best at any time in her College career to date, can't be argued otherwise and be taken seriously. And yes who one plays against makes all the difference it is silly to say otherwise. Face it if Uconn, UT or any other truly upper end team played Delaware's schedule they would always be undefeated and their best players would blow the roof off of scoring and rebounding records every season. EDD is currently a big fish with potential in a small pond.
 
Good discussion. We have a 3-way tie. :)

I think Griner is the biggest factor in WCBB. EDD may be the most skilled. And Nneka has some of both.

In addition to Griner's defensive prowess, she is a good FT shooter. Nneka has become a very good FT shooter. EDD is a superlative FT shooter. I like that all three do well in this important part of the game.

But look out for KML in another 20 games. :) Next year, Bree displays skills not seen before. She and Kaleena will be the newer version of Tina and Maya. (Ok, just call me Tony.)
 
Icebear said:
Or Bill Russell.
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Nobody was better than Russ.

The OP asked who is the best wcbb player.

Subsequently the question was posed to the effect that if you were starting a new team what player would be your first selected player.

Answer to best right now, Griner.

Answer to first draft pick, Kaleena.
 
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