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Waquoit said:
No, it isn't. All he has is that one playoff run. The mediocre teams were a self-fulfilling prophecy. A team with him is only going go so far. Like Harden. Look how bad his career ended. People wanted to give him a chance, if he'd only play team ball. But he was physically unable to.
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LOL at "team ball". The NBA of that age was an isolation league. Everyone was playing the same style, and the good teams had more than one guy. The Sixers didn't.
 
Waquoit said:
No, it isn't. All he has is that one playoff run. The mediocre teams were a self-fulfilling prophecy. A team with him is only going go so far. Like Harden. Look how bad his career ended. People wanted to give him a chance, if he'd only play team ball. But he was physically unable to.
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Harden won 2 MVP’s averaged 36 ppg and has been mostly quite efficient. That Rockets teams also woulda beaten the Warriors if CP3 doesn’t get hurt. However you feel about Harden now shouldn’t matter, he has an all time peak and is arguably the 3rd greatest SG ever.

You’re putting your personal feelings ahead of stats/accolades. I’m not a huge AI or Harden guy, but the facts are the facts.
 
metsfan2323 said:
It has to be Ewing #1. He's an all-time great. Can't punish him for not winning a championship, he never really had a top-notch running mate and John Starks' horrible shooting night in game six in 94 cost him a championship, plus Ewing was a victim of the Jordan's dominance when it comes to championships.

Last time I checked Dwayne Wade never played in the Big East so we can stop that nonsense.
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Ewing also never would've sniffed that finals if Jordan's dad wasn't murdered and he didn't go play baseball.
 
Ewing and Iverson had the best NBA careers out of all BE college players.

Ewing has the most points of any BE player. Him Iverson and Allen are separated by just a few points.

Ewing and Iverson both were 11 times all-star and 7 time all-NBA. Ewing was 3-time all defense, Iverson led the league in steals 3 times. Both were NBA 75th anniversary team.

Iverson four scoring titles. Iverson NBA finals once. Ewing never led any statistical category and made one final.

Ray comes in #3. Leaving the league as the all-time 3point king and being a key player on two different championship teams with two different groups of players is huge.

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Excalibur said:
LOL at "team ball". The NBA of that age was an isolation league. Everyone was playing the same style, and the good teams had more than one guy. The Sixers didn't.
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I remember guys like you telling me I didn't understand iso ball when Ollie was the coach.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
You’re putting your personal feelings ahead of stats/accolades. I’m not a huge AI or Harden guy, but the facts are the facts.
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I know statheads love those two guys but I also know that if you have a guy like that on your team you don't win.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Ewing and Iverson had the best NBA careers out of all BE college players.

Ewing has the most points of any BE player. Him Iverson and Allen are separated by just a few points.

Ewing and Iverson both were 11 times all-star and 7 time all-NBA. Ewing was 3-time all defense, Iverson led the league in steals 3 times. Both were NBA 75th anniversary team.

Iverson four scoring titles. Iverson NBA finals once. Ewing never led any statistical category and made one final.

Ray comes in #3. Leaving the league as the all-time 3point king and being a key player on two different championship teams with two different groups of players is huge.

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You're forgetting about Carmelo Anthony.
 
Waquoit said:
I know statheads love those two guys but I also know that if you have a guy like that on your team you don't win.
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Winning isn’t the only criteria. Pat never won either. Get past that and get to accomplishments, ability and stats.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Winning isn’t the only criteria. Pat never won either. Get past that and get to accomplishments, ability and stats.
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You give no weight to team play, in fact you mock it. It's a team game. Iverson couldn't even get to the gold medal game in the Olympics. His boosters were blaming the other players on the team for that one, too.
 
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Waquoit said:
You give no weight to team play, in fact you mock it. It's a team game. Iverson couldn't even get to the gold medal game in the Olympics. His boosters were blaming the other players on the team for that one, too.
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Bringing the Olympics into is again is just silly and unrelated. This is an NBA career question. Not how many championships won, not how many medals, not anything else. Ability, influence, accolades, stats, impact combined. You’re hung up on AI being a shoot first guy. Just look at what he’s done compared to the others. It’s really simple enough.
 
superjohn said:
You're forgetting about Carmelo Anthony.
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Sorry, not sorry. I meant to use that list to differentiate between Ewing AI and Ray who I think are heads and shoulders above anyone else. I should have mentioned Melo has most points.

Melo is a nothing burger to me. He's Alex English, Dan Issel, Adrian Dantley or Mark Aguirre. And it hurts to type that because I liked English.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Harden won 2 MVP’s averaged 36 ppg and has been mostly quite efficient. That Rockets teams also woulda beaten the Warriors if CP3 doesn’t get hurt. However you feel about Harden now shouldn’t matter, he has an all time peak and is arguably the 3rd greatest SG ever.

You’re putting your personal feelings ahead of stats/accolades. I’m not a huge AI or Harden guy, but the facts are the facts.
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I hear what you’re saying, but as a Harden hater I cringe at comparing him to AI.

AI left it all on the court every night and would show up in huge playoff moments. Harden mentality wise seems to be the opposite.

Can’t take Harden over Wade in that 3rd spot either because of that reason and the fact he has no rings.
 
Blue Blood said:
While at a bar over the weekend was talking to my PC fan buddy about how Ray was at the game on Friday. That conversation eventually evolved into who is the best NBA player to ever come out of the big east. I'll preface by saying we are in our mid 30s so not overly savvy on 80s early 90s BE but our list came down to four names Ray, Ewing, Iverson, and Melo. I'm sure we likely forgot people but who does the yard think is the best NBA player to come out of the BE.
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I have read this thread past your response, but one that should be included if it already has not in the 4 pages is Jimmy Butler aka Jimmy Buckets.
 
superjohn said:
No they didn't. Philly beat the Bucks with Ray, Big Dog, and Cassell in the Conference finals.
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Yes but that was a crazy shaky David Stern era NBA officials influenced result. The refs stole that series from the Bucks to put Iverson in the finals for the league. I'd be much angrier about that if Ray didn't get his chips later.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
Yes but that was a crazy shaky David Stern era NBA officials influenced result. The refs stole that series from the Bucks to put Iverson in the finals for the league. I'd be much angrier about that if Ray didn't get his chips later.
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That's not how I remember that series or Iverson's career, he was the little guy version of Shaq where he was getting hacked constantly with no foul calls. Tim Donaghy even talked about a conspiracy between the refs to screw Iverson over in games.
 
nomar said:
Upon reading the thread title, I immediately thought Ewing
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Ewing was the first name to come to mind as well. Wade did not play in the BE so he should not be considered. For over a decade if he was on the floor regardless who was playing around him the Knicks were very competitive. Never great but did they really surround him with plus talent in the nba. He never had a Pippen, or a Stockton or a Bryant or a Drexler. All the teams that beat us back then had two super stars the Knicks really never did. As a die hard UConn fan it was tough at first for me as a fan because Georgetown were the Detroit Pistons of college basketball when Ewing was there. After a few years I became a fan because he played hard and cared. Can’t hold a grudge forever.
 
If we are going to count Wade then my pick is the Big O Oscar Robertson he played at Cincinnati.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
I think the clear answer is Ewing. Followed by Ray, AI, Mullin, Melo, and probably Rip and D. Coleman in some order. If you count Marquette, DWade jumps to second.
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Saying DWade is Big East is like saying Melo is ACC. Boneyard logic. SMH
 
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EricLA said:
Not to take a left turn on the thread topic, but I'm curious - is there anyone besides Carmelo who is considered a "great" (or even a very good) who came out of Syracuse? It's shocking how few have had an impact in the NBA besides Carmelo. Just asking since I love rubbing Cuse fans' noses in anything possible...

Was thinking maybe Sherman Douglas, Derrick Coleman, Rony Seikaly, and Hakim Warrick? They were all a while ago so I'm not sure of their NBA careers, but the amount of UCONN alums in the NBA who have had solid to very good to great careers seems exponentially higher... who wanted to play crap zone their entire college career anyway???
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Lol to me this is Boeheim's real legacy.

How many of Boeheim's Syracuse players ever won an NBA title, or even played in the finals?

How many besides Anthony and Coleman were all stars?

How many times did an NBA GM ever say, "Man, if I could just get that Syracuse guy that will put my team over the top"?

The answers are zero, zero, and no times.

Boeheim's legacy is a 40-year roster of talented but sour losers and me-first chemistry killers. Deon Waiters is the archetype.
 
The Yakk said:
Lol to me this is Boeheim's real legacy.

How many of Boeheim's Syracuse players ever won an NBA title, or even played in the finals?

How many besides Anthony and Coleman were all stars?

How many times did an NBA GM ever say, "Man, if I could just get that Syracuse guy that will put my team over the top"?

The answers are zero, zero, and no times.

Boeheim's legacy is a 40-year roster of talented but sour losers and me-first chemistry killers. Deon Waiters is the archetype.
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Selling out kids careers for the zone D.
 
boog204 said:
My first thought is Ewing, AI, Melo, Mullin and then everyone else. I obviously love Ray, but those four to me are at a tier above Ray. Ewing and AI were 7-time All-NBA players, Melo 6, Mullin 4. Ray had two. I feel like prime Mullin in GS were better than Ray's years in relative obscurity in Milwaukee and Seattle. Also, Wade is a tier above Ray. That's not an insult. Wade is probably the best two guard of all-time not named Jordan or Kobe.
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Andre had a chance to be in the list but…..
 
HuskyFich said:
Selling out kids careers for the zone D.
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Carmelo was talented beyond belief. So was Derek Coleman. I used to go to Knicks/Nets games in the 90's. In the fourth quarter of close games the Nets would put DC at center and he would eat. Ewing. Up.

But your team always has a ceiling with those guys. Carmelo could not coexist with Jeremy Lin--a guy who could have helped him get the Knicks to the next level--and ran him out of town. Why?

DC froze out Tate George on the Nets because he was still salty over the UConn win in 1990. I know George wasn't all that great, but he's your teammate. WTF?
 
Ray also scored nearly 25k points and was top 25 all-time when he retired. This despite sacrificing the last couple of years of his scoring prime in Boston.
 
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