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RF1 said:
I beg to differ. Most people in the other New England states will never adopt UConn as THEIR team. Residents of one state seldom in large numbers become fans of another state's flagship university. It is just the way it is. Do you think if UMass was to become a successful FBS program, people in Ct would adopt them? Of course they wouldn't. Why then do some think it would be different in other states?
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Because Massachusetts competes with Connecticut athletically. UMass fans what to get to UConn's level. There is hate rather than indifference.

A kid in Vermont or New Hampshire will be forced to watch UConn because UConn is always on tv and will become a fan organically. He knows his state U isn't joining the big boys in his lifetime and he isn't prone to hate all things UConn. Also, most girls that play basketball around this country like UConn. New England girls that have hoop dreams, all dream of UConn.
 
RF1 said:
I beg to differ. Most people in the other New England states will never adopt UConn as THEIR team. Residents of one state seldom in large numbers become fans of another state's flagship university. It is just the way it is. Do you think if UMass was to become a successful FBS program, people in Ct would adopt them? Of course they wouldn't. Why then do some think it would be different in other states?
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Pervasive full fledged adoption may not happen, but casual rooting interest will increase and that tends to translate into tv eyeballs. These things don't happen over night, they take time. Boise St has national fans, lots of P5 schools have casual fans nationwide. Furthermore, NYC is a bit of a wide open market. Lots of people in the area from small schools who are open to finding a p5 school to watch.
 
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Fishy said:
Could be worse - some schools see their support end at the traffic light leaving campus.

See "Boston College".
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. Most N.E. casual sports fans think very highly of the Basketball programs at Uconn. Men's and Woman's. Even in Boston, where I live it is applauded for its many accomplishments . But when the topic turns to football, Uconn football is viewed by many as having waited too long to decide it wanted to play at the highest levels. As a result, Uconn football has less interest in N.E. than BC does.... which is no surprise as BC has been at it since the last 70's, and much longer than Uconn has. BC home football attendance has been larger than Uconn's home football attendance 48 out of the last 50 years.... and BC's football games annual TV ratings in N.E. have outstipped Uconn's TV ratings in N.E., 48 out of the last 50 years too. Those are just the incontrovertible and verifiable facts on N.E. college football " support " in the region. The rest is just talk that essentially attempts to make one feel better, but has no bearing in any reality, really.
 
Yawkey Way said:
BC's football game ratings in N.E. have outsripped Uconn's football ratings, 48 out of the last 50 years too. Those are just the facts on N.E. college football " support ".
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Interested in seeing the data for that verifiable fact - got a link?
 
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Yawkey Way said:
.The rest is just talk that essentially attempts to make one feel better, but has no bearing in any reality, really.
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Draw a line around Boston College's campus.

Inside the line - BC fans.

Outside the line - not BC fans.

That, dear boy, is your reality.

It's nothing to fret over - it's part of being a small private school in a town that would sooner watch the grass grow at Fenway than anything going on at Chestnut Hill.
 
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Yawkey Way said:
. Most N.E. casual sports fans think very highly of the Basketball programs at Uconn. Men's and Woman's. Even in Boston, where I live it is applauded for its many accomplishments . But when the topic turns to football, Uconn football is viewed by many as having waited too long to decide it wanted to play at the highest levels. As a result, Uconn football has less interest in N.E. than BC does.... which is no surprise as BC has been at it since the last 70's, and much longer than Uconn has. BC home football attendance has been larger than Uconn's home football attendance 48 out of the last 50 years.... and BC's football games annual TV ratings in N.E. have outstipped Uconn's TV ratings in N.E., 48 out of the last 50 years too. Those are just the incontrovertible and verifiable facts on N.E. college football " support " in the region. The rest is just talk that essentially attempts to make one feel better, but has no bearing in any reality, really.
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In all seriousness, what do the last 50 years have to do with comparing UCONN and BC football? Is that really your reality?
 
It is difficult to pin down facts....but in terms of TV viewership, BC is doing OK. They were watched more than eight other ACC teams and seven Big Ten teams.

In 2014, BC was rated #37 in television viewership.....ahead of Clemson, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Oklahoma State, BYU etc.

This is national viewership and may not relate to a regional following.
 
Fishy said:
Draw a line around Boston College's campus.

Inside the line - BC fans.

Outside the line - not BC fans.

That, dear boy, is your reality.

It's nothing to fret over - it's part of being a small private school in a town that would sooner watch the grass grow at Fenway than anything going on at Chestnut Hill.
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Sometimes facts suck, but here is something for you to look at (see #37)
http://texags.com/s/15550/infographic-2014-college-football-tv-ratings

Look at #38 in this one for 2013 -
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ball-tv-ratings-2013-regular-season-final-sec

This is where the argument is rolled out but look who they play and those numbers reflect the opposition. But, whether people like it or not, BC does okay nationally in TV ratings. Not sure how they look in NE because that data is not found in a 1 minute google search.

And national numbers matter when it comes to P5 CFB.
 
BC's numbers are skewed highly by games in last 2 years against F$U and U$C. Having both of those on your schedule = ratings.
 
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pepband99 said:
BC's numbers are skewed highly by games in last 2 years against F$U and U$C. Having both of those on your schedule = ratings.
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Could be...but Maryland played Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan et al and didn't do as well...Clemson played FSU, Notre Dame, and South Carolina and did not do as well.
 
billybud said:
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Could be...but Maryland played Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan et al and didn't do as well...Clemson played FSU, Notre Dame, and South Carolina and did not do as well.
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Time slot? Competing sports programming?
 
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06029 said:
Sometimes facts suck, but here is something for you to look at (see #37)
http://texags.com/s/15550/infographic-2014-college-football-tv-ratings

Look at #38 in this one for 2013 -
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ball-tv-ratings-2013-regular-season-final-sec

This is where the argument is rolled out but look who they play and those numbers reflect the opposition. But, whether people like it or not, BC does okay nationally in TV ratings. Not sure how they look in NE because that data is not found in a 1 minute google search.

And national numbers matter when it comes to P5 CFB.
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This info coming from an A&M Aggies website that has schools such as Minnesota and NC State with higher rating than Texas and OU??? And has OU as the 1st Big XII school listed at #26? Texas is #34?

Uh..Uh......sorry, ain't buying it. Nope.
 
Section205 said:
This info coming from an A&M Aggies website that has schools such as Minnesota and NC State with higher rating than Texas and OU??? And has OU as the 1st Big XII school listed at #26? Texas is #34?

Uh..Uh.sorry, ain't buying it. Nope.
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You have anything better? Explain away the 2013 numbers?

I know, if facts don't fit the narrative, dismiss them as inaccurate or the source as biased.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Time slot? Competing sports programming?
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When you look at ratings in general, you can dismiss a 1 year exception (best season ever, Heisman candidate, high 1 year ranking), but it is harder to dismiss several years of decent ratings. In 2012, a year when BC was 2-10, I found a site that said they were the 16th highest ranked team in terms of composite ratings. I'm not saying that is a valid stat since it is skewed by an ND game (and I think Teo's girlfriend added a lot of mystery/imaginary viewers that year), but it is one person's calculation.

The data is not wrong. Maybe it is opponent which helps ratings but how does BC get on TV 4 times in a year when they are 2-10? How did they get on 4 times the season following 2-10? To continue to say that BC does nothing for the ACC in terms of ratings does not hold up when you look at the facts. Why do they continue to get scheduled in prime time slots?
 
pepband99 said:
BC's numbers are skewed highly by games in last 2 years against F$U and U$C. Having both of those on your schedule = ratings.
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Biggest skewing is when BC plays ND. FSU games do about a 1.1. USC games did about the same. Other games per the sites that show ratings for BC were 0.6 to 0.7. ND games regularly ar ein the 2.5 to 3.0 range.
 
06029 said:
When you look at ratings in general, you can dismiss a 1 year exception (best season ever, Heisman candidate, high 1 year ranking), but it is harder to dismiss several years of decent ratings. In 2012, a year when BC was 2-10, I found a site that said they were the 16th highest ranked team in terms of composite ratings. I'm not saying that is a valid stat, but it is one person's calauclation.

The data is not wrong. Maybe it is opponent which helps ratings but how does BC get on TV 4 times in a year when they are 2-10? How did they get on 4 times the season following 2-10? To continue to say that BC does nothing for the ACC in terms of ratings does not hold up when you look at the facts. Why do they continue to get scheduled in prime time slots?
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I think that's all fair. I'd like to see longitudinal data. I'm not disagreeing by the way just suggesting additional key variables.
 
06029 said:
Sometimes facts suck, but here is something for you to look at (see #37)
http://texags.com/s/15550/infographic-2014-college-football-tv-ratings

Look at #38 in this one for 2013 -
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ball-tv-ratings-2013-regular-season-final-sec

This is where the argument is rolled out but look who they play and those numbers reflect the opposition. But, whether people like it or not, BC does okay nationally in TV ratings. Not sure how they look in NE because that data is not found in a 1 minute google search.

And national numbers matter when it comes to P5 CFB.
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Let's play a game. What do all of these schools on this list (except for BYU, who has its own friggin' network) have in common?
 
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Wake Forest would get good ratings too if they played FSU trying to clinch an unbeaten regular season. How was their rating when they lost to Army at West Point?
 
06029 said:
You have anything better? Explain away the 2013 numbers?

I know, if facts don't fit the narrative, dismiss them as inaccurate or the source as biased.
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If I'm doing research on TV ratings, going to a college fan website (let alone a school that went to the SEC recently) is probably not the first place I would start looking to compile numbers.
 
That fan site says that data was compiled from Sports Media Watch..

Unless you think that the data was diddled...and not accurately compiled (what you seem to be implying)...I don't have an issue with a site using the data of a reputable data reporter.
 
06029 said:
Sometimes facts suck, but here is something for you to look at (see #37)
http://texags.com/s/15550/infographic-2014-college-football-tv-ratings

Look at #38 in this one for 2013 -
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ball-tv-ratings-2013-regular-season-final-sec

This is where the argument is rolled out but look who they play and those numbers reflect the opposition. But, whether people like it or not, BC does okay nationally in TV ratings. Not sure how they look in NE because that data is not found in a 1 minute google search.

And national numbers matter when it comes to P5 CFB.
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You're answering a question no one is asking you.

I said Boston College has no fan base outside of campus and alumni.

It is apparently a sore point because instead of answering that, you posted vague ratings information without bothering to see what you were posting.

Boston College played in a couple of very highly rated games, but you don't really believe that the world was tuning in to see BC when the opponent was Penn State, USC or FSU, do you?

How were the ratings for BC-Louisville? Probably pretty bad.

But again, BC has no fan base outside of their own campus....will just leave that there until it's dealt with.
 
Fishy said:
You're answering a question no one is asking you.

I said Boston College has no fan base outside of campus and alumni.

It is apparently a sore point because instead of answering that, you posted vague ratings information without bothering to see what you were posting.

Boston College played in a couple of very highly rated games, but you don't really believe that the world was tuning in to see BC when the opponent was Penn State, USC or FSU, do you?

How were the ratings for BC-Louisville? Probably pretty bad.

But again, BC has no fan base outside of their own campus....will just leave that there until it's dealt with.
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BC Lville 0.3, since you asked. Same as Uconn/TCU.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

And these are not vague numbers, they are actual ratings compiled by a legitimate source.

What is lacking is the evidence that Uconn will magically be adopted by RI, MA, NH, VT and ME as their college team. That Uconn has more fans in those states than any other school. Show me the evidence other than I see a lot of Uconn shirts in this bar I go to when I watch Uconn. If Uconn has these fans, then the TV numbers would show it. My guess is that they don't show this and the people that care about ratings know and understand this. Even if you care not to.
 
06029 said:
BC Lville 0.3, since you asked. Same as Uconn/TCU.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

And these are not vague numbers, they are actual ratings compiled by a legitimate source.

What is lacking is the evidence that Uconn will magically be adopted by RI, MA, NH, VT and ME as their college team. That Uconn has more fans in those states than any other school. Show me the evidence other than I see a lot of Uconn shirts in this bar I go to when I watch Uconn. If Uconn has these fans, then the TV numbers would show it. My guess is that they don't show this and the people that care about ratings know and understand this. Even if you care not to.
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TCU? Do you mean to say SMU? A match-up of two hapless AAC teams with 2 or 3 wins between them?
 
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So the ratings show that at the nadir of a nightmare rebuilding effort UConn drew about the same as BCU?

Man we've sunk even lower than I thought. :eek:
 
06029 said:
BC Lville 0.3, since you asked. Same as Uconn/TCU.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

And these are not vague numbers, they are actual ratings compiled by a legitimate source.

What is lacking is the evidence that Uconn will magically be adopted by RI, MA, NH, VT and ME as their college team. That Uconn has more fans in those states than any other school. Show me the evidence other than I see a lot of Uconn shirts in this bar I go to when I watch Uconn. If Uconn has these fans, then the TV numbers would show it. My guess is that they don't show this and the people that care about ratings know and understand this. Even if you care not to.
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I haven't mentioned UConn once, so let's drop the attempts at misdirection.

Boston College has no fan base beyond its own campus. (i.e. Boston College has not been magically adopted by RI, MA, NH, CT, VT or ME as their college team.) They've had every advantage in the world in trying to become 'the New England team', but they're yet to break out past Chestnut Hill.

It is what it is - at least it pays well.
 
06029 said:
BC Lville 0.3, since you asked. Same as Uconn/TCU.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

And these are not vague numbers, they are actual ratings compiled by a legitimate source.

What is lacking is the evidence that Uconn will magically be adopted by RI, MA, NH, VT and ME as their college team. That Uconn has more fans in those states than any other school. Show me the evidence other than I see a lot of Uconn shirts in this bar I go to when I watch Uconn. If Uconn has these fans, then the TV numbers would show it. My guess is that they don't show this and the people that care about ratings know and understand this. Even if you care not to.
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You brought up statistical data from different sites to refute the Fishy poster's claim that BC has "no support" . You were assailed for your data. BC is generally ranked 30th to 45th most years in TV watching " support " . Uconn is never in the top 50, no matter what their schedule is that year, nor their record that year. The fact is that BC football has had more " support " than Uconn football has.... in 48 out of the last 50 years in New England too.. BC has bigger home attendance the last 2 years than Uconn football has. And Uconn Football has no pro competition in its state like BC has, and Uconn has a bigger enrollment and more Alums. So when we hear that BC has no support in N.E., in is seen in the undeniable context that BC factually has more football " support " than Uconn football does.... which makes the charge then say more about the person attempting to make the false claim, than it does about BC or the other more sensible Uconn football fans, that would never attempt to make such a silly claim. There are a lot of good things to claim about Uconn football, but this was not one of them by this Fishy poster.
 
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Another attempt at self-soothing? There's no evidence that Boston College football has even marginal support in their own city, let alone the country.

Do you kids actually believe this nonsense or is this just a weak show of bravado to make yourselves feel better? It's kinda hard to watch.
 
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