Before you promote Boyle's ascension ...

[Pudge]

Watch the Temple interception. (it is easily available on ESPN video)

The play begins with a decent Temple rush; but, the 5 OLinemen (including Rutherford, Hopkins, Bockeloh, Crozier, Knappe) do a solid job creating a pocket. All looks good and no real pressure. Just an inaccurate undisciplined toss.

I don't know if Tim Boyle rises to Dan Orlovsky. He needs a chance; and I guess that is the argument. But, be careful with your expectations. He does not give us a better chance ... probably ... than Chandler Whitmer today. That probably comes down to, and not just the COACH view, leadership. But at 1-4, we now know what this season is about: the Future years. We will see Boyle pushed out on that field far more. He needs to grow and develop ... and let's change our mindset as a fanbase as this happens. He is going to duck*up.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

You are wrong. He doesn't play because Diaco doesn't care about winning and he hates Boyle.

 

[gioff23]

Oh good, another TB thread.

 

[Bonehead]

You are wrong. He doesn't play because Diaco doesn't care about winning and he hates Boyle.

Sarcasm meter is moving-

Seriously THIS is from Diaco -

“We want to continue to play Tim, when he’s feeling well enough to do that,” Diaco said yesterday. “We want to continue to do that, we want to play Tim in every game. There’s no reason why we wouldn’t. Tim is the quarterback of the future and why wouldn’t we take every opportunity to get him action to get better? We definitely WANT to, I’m not sure we can. It’s still going to be based on how he feels, but moving forward we definitely want to get him in each game.”
So Boyle would see time when he is feeling well enough to do that. Some feel he has a lower leg 'pain' which is holding him back from playing, which is highly doubtful in my maniacal mind - football players play with pain all the time - they dont play when they have injuries.
I am thinking it is the mental aspect - not a dig at the kid but it sounds like he is either not up to speed or not comfortable at this point.
No player is getting better playing 4-7 snaps a game -

I’m not sure we can. It’s still going to be based on how he feels, but moving forward we definitely want to get him in each game.” - DIACO
To me its how he feels mentally - not physically. There is not a word about lower leg, pain or anything physically preventing Tim from playing.

I have be known to be wrong -

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I don't think anyone (with the exception of Palatine) is under any disillusions of what Boyle is.

But there's no reason to sit him any longer. God only knows what the deal is with the non injury but if they aren't devising a gameplan tailored to Boyle (and to keep him safe) during the bye week, my criticism of Diaco will intensify. Give Boyle the majority of the snaps in NOLA and then name him the starter for the rest of the year. Makes absolutely no sense to be trotting out Whitmer any longer.

 

[uconnflyer88]

I don't think anyone (with the exception of Palatine) is under any disillusions of what Boyle is.

But there's no reason to sit him any longer. God only knows what the deal is with the non injury but if they aren't devising a gameplan tailored to Boyle (and to keep him safe) during the bye week, my criticism of Diaco will intensify. Give Boyle the majority of the snaps in NOLA and then name him the starter for the rest of the year. Makes absolutely no sense to be trotting out Whitmer any longer.

 

[Bonehead]

I don't think anyone (with the exception of Palatine) is under any disillusions of what Boyle is.

But there's no reason to sit him any longer. God only knows what the deal is with the non injury but if they aren't devising a gameplan tailored to Boyle (and to keep him safe) during the bye week, my criticism of Diaco will intensify. Give Boyle the majority of the snaps in NOLA and then name him the starter for the rest of the year. Makes absolutely no sense to be trotting out Whitmer any longer.

Tim is the quarterback of the future and why wouldn’t we take every opportunity to get him action to get better? We definitely WANT to, I’m not sure we can. It’s still going to be based on how he feels, but moving forward we definitely want to get him in each game.”
Somewhat cooky answer...the non-injury is preventing it?
I am onboard - play him if he is well enough but doesnt sound like he is...he is well enough to paly 5 snaps but not more...IDK>

 

[Jimdish255]

No player is getting better playing 4-7 snaps a game

At least on OL if you get confused on any play you can find the nearest jersey and hit someone. 4-7 snaps just serves to nitpick every aspect of a tiny sample of a plays from a QB who's barely warmed up. What is anyone learning from that? It's negative reinforcement.

 

[freescooter]

I'm with all of you...at this point how bad could it be? We'll be lucky to win a few games this year, maybe Army, maybe SMU, beyond those 2 I am at a loss to think of any where we'll be even pick 'em, so might as well go with Boyle the rest of the way. Maybe he turns out to be better than expected. Maybe he grows into the job, maybe he doesn't. At any rate, we know what needs to be done for the future. Do we go out and get a JUCO or recruit another freshman for depth? FWIW, I didn't have a problem with using the guy who is obviously the emergency quarterback in the waning minutes of the Temple loss. If Boyle is gimpy and Whitmer is the only healthy guy, it didn't hurt to get him a little pt in case. Not like we were going to come back and turn the game around.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I think Diaco agrees also. But he keeps saying that Boyle can't play yet...but he won't tell us why.

Which...is....odd.

 

[coachcap]

I think Diaco agrees also. But he keeps saying that Boyle can't play yet...but he won't tell us why.

Which...is....odd.

Last night Joe D. stated that Boyle hasn't fully recovered from the dreaded "lower leg injury." FWIW

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Last night Joe D. stated that Boyle hasn't fully recovered from the dreaded "lower leg injury." FWIW

Then why was he out there Saturday?

 

[tduconn]

For one reason or another, Boyle isn't playing because of some type of challenge.......be it physical or otherwise. I'm not sure if, not being an employee, he falls under HIPPA regulations and the coach can't discuss ailments in detail. All I know is he can't play.......I don't care if the cause is a hangnail or something more serious.

I'm quite sure HCBD is in discussion with Tim and/or whomever else is necessary concerning when/if/how much to play him.

If it was a personality conflict beyond repair, I'm sure Tim may have made a decision to leave for another program.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

For one reason or another, Boyle isn't playing because of some type of challenge..be it physical or otherwise. I'm not sure if, not being an employee, he falls under HIPPA regulations and the coach can't discuss ailments in detail. All I know is he can't play..I don't care if the cause is a hangnail or something more serious.

I'm quite sure HCBD is in discussion with Tim and/or whomever else is necessary concerning when/if/how much to play him.

If it was a personality conflict beyond repair, I'm sure Tim may have made a decision to leave for another program.

This would be the first time in history that I've heard of a player not be injured, but have pain, but is ok to play less than 10 snaps per game.

This is just bizarre.

 

[Bonehead]

Last night Joe D. stated that Boyle hasn't fully recovered from the dreaded "lower leg injury." FWIW

Its NOT an injury - its a pain.

Was there a follow up as to why he was playing if he was injured?

 

[Carl Spackler]

This would be the first time in history that I've heard of a player not be injured, but have pain, but is ok to play less than 10 snaps per game.

This is just bizarre.

Jimmy, players play limited snaps with pain, and no injury, all the time. This is not the first time, or ever, the last time, that players will get limited snaps during a game, and be playing with pain.

This just happens to be odd, because this player plays the QB position.

The explanation that is lacking, has nothing to do with Boyle, and whatever is bothering him between his pinky toe and knee, that's the lower leg right?

The explanation that is lacking is why the hell we're still rotating so many players on offense including QB's, and how this is helping young players develop.

 

[Husky25]

HIPPA has nothing to do with being an employee, contractor, or otherwise. It has to do with personal privacy.

 

[ZooCougar]

This team is so inept. Pain but no injury? Does Boyle think he is going to play forever? If it's that painful then it is an injury. And it isn't an injury then he should play. Nobody is ever 100%.

 

[Bonehead]

This team is so inept. Pain but no injury? Does Boyle think he is going to play forever? If it's that painful then it is an injury. And it isn't an injury then he should play. Nobody is ever 100%.

Thank you - Football players play with pain ALL THE TIME - Injury not so much.

Yes - Carl is correct - players are told they will play limited snaps - I never heard of 5 snaps as the limitation - thats where it get 'strange'.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Jimmy, players play limited snaps with pain, and no injury, all the time. This is not the first time, or ever, the last time, that players will get limited snaps during a game, and be playing with pain.

This just happens to be odd, because this player plays the QB position.

The explanation that is lacking, has nothing to do with Boyle, and whatever is bothering him between his pinky toe and knee, that's the lower leg right?

The explanation that is lacking is why the hell we're still rotating so many players on offense including QB's, and how this is helping young players develop.

With all due respect Carl you still don't think that anyone ever asks out of a game by tapping their helmet.

This is nonsense. He is either hurt and can't play or he is not hurt and can play. If he's not healthy enough to play an entire game he shouldn't be playing.

This does not happen all the time.

 

[freescooter]

It is possible that Boyle does have some pain/injury/booboo and that playing on Saturday was more painful than he had hoped. That would actually explain A. his limited number of snaps, and B. the decision to put Foxx in to take snaps at garbage time when you'd expect your backup/future quarterback to see some action.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

It is possible that Boyle does have some pain/injury/booboo and that playing on Saturday was more painful than he had hoped. That would actually explain A. his limited number of snaps, and B. the decision to put Foxx in to take snaps at garbage time when you'd expect your backup/future quarterback to see some action.

That's plausible. But just say so. This secrecy serves no purpose at all other to irritate the die hard fanbase.

 

[ZooCougar]

Can't Diaco do one thing that is normal? Everything about the way this team is run is just bizarre.

 

[Carl Spackler]

With all due respect Carl you still don't think that anyone ever asks out of a game by tapping their helmet.

This is nonsense. He is either hurt and can't play or he is not hurt and can play. If he's not healthy enough to play an entire game he shouldn't be playing.

This does not happen all the time.

If he's healthy enough to take a single snap, he's healthy enough to play an entire game. I don't get your point, other than you've seen enough of Whitmer, I suppose and want to see Boyle play.

I have seen nothing of Boyle in the past 2 seasons that tells me he's ready to help this team win now, and if he's playing significantly less than 100%, no reason for me to expect he's going to improve those chances to win.

Why he's playing 5-10 reps a game at all? That's a question, that's part of a much bigger picture question, that I don't see any reasonable explanation for. Playing hurt, injured, or with a booboo on his toe or something, has got nothing to do with those questions.

 

[freescooter]

Jimmy,
I completely agree. If Boyle can't play just say so. If he tried and couldn't go, that's not a crime. Imagine how different it would have been if Diaco had just said "Boyle tried to play but was hampered by his sore ankle (or other body part), so we decided to give Foxx some game experience in case we need to use him." Seems totally rational to me.

 

[Bonehead]

Jimmy,
I completely agree. If Boyle can't play just say so. If he tried and couldn't go, that's not a crime. Imagine how different it would have been if Diaco had just said "Boyle tried to play but was hampered by his sore ankle (or other body part), so we decided to give Foxx some game experience in case we need to use him." Seems totally rational to me.

Exactly - not giving away State secrets by saying that...

Wish I didnt throw out my kids decoder ring he left on the counter from his box of Fruit Loops...

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Jimmy,
I completely agree. If Boyle can't play just say so. If he tried and couldn't go, that's not a crime. Imagine how different it would have been if Diaco had just said "Boyle tried to play but was hampered by his sore ankle (or other body part), so we decided to give Foxx some game experience in case we need to use him." Seems totally rational to me.

He's actually not doing Boyle any favors by making these silly comments.

 

[Palatine]

Watch the Temple interception. (it is easily available on ESPN video)

The play begins with a decent Temple rush; but, the 5 OLinemen (including Rutherford, Hopkins, Bockeloh, Crozier, Knappe) do a solid job creating a pocket. All looks good and no real pressure. Just an inaccurate undisciplined toss.

I don't know if Tim Boyle rises to Dan Orlovsky. He needs a chance; and I guess that is the argument. But, be careful with your expectations. He does not give us a better chance ... probably ... than Chandler Whitmer today. That probably comes down to, and not just the COACH view, leadership. But at 1-4, we now know what this season is about: the Future years. We will see Boyle pushed out on that field far more. He needs to grow and develop ... and let's change our mindset as a fanbase as this happens. He is going to duck*up.

One play is not relevant.

Here's what's relevant. Whitmer can't lead the team to wins. So stay with him and you end up with a 2-10 record. Then he graduates so even if he learned anything, he's gone.

Boyle can get is the same two wins, plus he returns next year, so it is possible to get a return on investment. Plus, he may flourish as the starter and get the team wins this year.

Playing Whitmer is a lose/lose.

Playing Boyle is a win/win.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

If he's healthy enough to take a single snap, he's healthy enough to play an entire game. I don't get your point, other than you've seen enough of Whitmer, I suppose and want to see Boyle play.

I have seen nothing of Boyle in the past 2 seasons that tells me he's ready to help this team win now, and if he's playing significantly less than 100%, no reason for me to expect he's going to improve those chances to win.

Why he's playing 5-10 reps a game at all? That's a question, that's part of a much bigger picture question, that I don't see any reasonable explanation for. Playing hurt, injured, or with a booboo on his toe or something, has got nothing to do with those questions.

I hated the rotational nonsense. Myself and others got killed on this board for speaking out. We'll never know if it may have cost us the BSU or USF games. I hated throwing away games because I thought we'd need some serious luck to go bowling this year.

But at 1-4? Well now it truly is about development. If there isn't a significant gap in talent at certain positions, play the young kids. I'm looking at Boyle, Crozier, and Rutherford.

 

[Husky25]

My guess is Boyle has turf toe or some other "injury" (a contusion, perhaps) that won't get physically worse if he plays on it, but requires time for the pain to decrease below player's pain threshold. Right now the pain is impeding Boyle's ability to be effective, which is totally understandable. Perhaps they want Boyle to get shot up, but he is refusing? Who knows? Really, if the injury won't get any worse, pain threshold is a difference between playing hurt and having a injury. However, I (for one) am not prepared to call out a unproven (as yet) 19 year old kid solely for my own entertainment...I'll wait 'til next year, when I have more information.

 

[freescooter]

To me the preponderance of evidence suggests pretty strongly that Boyle is not available to play. Diaco's comments, while cryptic strongly indicate that as does the decision to hold him out of the South Florida game and his limited use against Temple and the decision to give Foxx some snaps at quarterback. If Diaco was even a bit clearer in his explanations this might be pretty obvious. Bottom line is I think we'll continue to see little of Boyle until he is healthy, whatever that means. I originally thought that Diaco had invented this hurt but not injured meme to cover for not playing Boyle at USF. After Temple, though I have changed my mind. I suspect he has something, let's call it a booboo, that is limiting his ability to play quarterback.

 

[whaler11]

Its NOT an injury - its a pain.

Was there a follow up as to why he was playing if he was injured?

There is no such thing.

 

[Husky25]

To me the preponderance of evidence suggests pretty strongly that Boyle is not available to play. Diaco's comments, while cryptic strongly indicate that as does the decision to hold him out of the South Florida game and his limited use against Temple and the decision to give Foxx some snaps at quarterback. If Diaco was even a bit clearer in his explanations this might be pretty obvious. Bottom line is I think we'll continue to see little of Boyle until he is healthy, whatever that means. I originally thought that Diaco had invented this hurt but not injured meme to cover for not playing Boyle at USF. After Temple, though I have changed my mind. I suspect he has something, let's call it a booboo, that is limiting his ability to play quarterback.

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out post.

Who are you and what did you do with the REAL Freescooter?

 

[HuskyHawk]

To me the preponderance of evidence suggests pretty strongly that Boyle is not available to play. Diaco's comments, while cryptic strongly indicate that as does the decision to hold him out of the South Florida game and his limited use against Temple and the decision to give Foxx some snaps at quarterback. If Diaco was even a bit clearer in his explanations this might be pretty obvious. Bottom line is I think we'll continue to see little of Boyle until he is healthy, whatever that means. I originally thought that Diaco had invented this hurt but not injured meme to cover for not playing Boyle at USF. After Temple, though I have changed my mind. I suspect he has something, let's call it a booboo, that is limiting his ability to play quarterback.

I had a booboo once...man those things are brutal and take forever to heal.

 

[UConnJim]

I think Diaco's discussion of injuries is legally correct in today's world, especially for institutions like UConn. Many of us are used to the NFL's injury policy which requires disclosure and it is why we get detailed injury reports. It seems NFL teams are not covered entities under HIPAA, which is why they are allowed/required to disclose. Unfortunately, we don't like it, but it is what it is. It does seem that college athlete injury disclosure policies are not universal.

As for Boyle's pain/injury. It doesn't surprise me that he could have pain in his lower leg and only gets limited minutes on the field. Imagine if you are a jogger and you are recovering from a sprained ankle. You would probably slowly ramp your mileage until you got back to full strength. Ramping your miles too fast could cause you to reinjure your ankle.

 

[businesslawyer]

Watch the Temple interception. (it is easily available on ESPN video)

The play begins with a decent Temple rush; but, the 5 OLinemen (including Rutherford, Hopkins, Bockeloh, Crozier, Knappe) do a solid job creating a pocket. All looks good and no real pressure. Just an inaccurate undisciplined toss.

I don't know if Tim Boyle rises to Dan Orlovsky. He needs a chance; and I guess that is the argument. But, be careful with your expectations. He does not give us a better chance ... probably ... than Chandler Whitmer today. That probably comes down to, and not just the COACH view, leadership. But at 1-4, we now know what this season is about: the Future years. We will see Boyle pushed out on that field far more. He needs to grow and develop ... and let's change our mindset as a fanbase as this happens. He is going to duck*up.

A few things Pudge:

1. You listed the backup OL. I am fairly certain the starting OL (Levy, Cruz, Mateas, Samra and Gifford) was in. I'm fairly certain that is the play that Gifford got hurt on.

2. So are you retracting yesterday's comment that his arm got hit as he threw? I haven't gone back and watched (I'd rather kill myself) but live it just look like an underthrow of a ball that can't be underthrown.

3. Of course Boyle isn't going to make us a much better team.

4. If Boyle is healthy, I would expect that he does get more of a serious audition, and not just a cameo, by New Orleans. As to his physical condition, I'm not wasting my time trying to figure out WTF HCBD is saying. What he has said, in whole, is totally illogical, but we don't lose games based on what he says to the press or fans so I'm not wasting my breath guessing what he means.

 

[junglehusky]

Playing Whitmer is a lose/lose.

Playing Boyle is a win/win.

Unless we play Boyle and UConn doesn't win, which would be lose-win. Or he gets injured, like truly injured, which would be lose-lose.

 

[Skiblets]

Hey look...another Boyle thread. Being a Mod here is so awesome!!

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

A few things Pudge:

1. You listed the backup OL. I am fairly certain the starting OL (Levy, Cruz, Mateas, Samra and Gifford) was in. I'm fairly certain that is the play that Gifford got hurt on.

2. So are you retracting yesterday's comment that his arm got hit as he threw? I haven't gone back and watched (I'd rather kill myself) but live it just look like an underthrow of a ball that can't be underthrown.

3. Of course Boyle isn't going to make us a much better team.

4. If Boyle is healthy, I would expect that he does get more of a serious audition, and not just a cameo, by New Orleans. As to his physical condition, I'm not wasting my time trying to figure out WTF HCBD is saying. What he has said, in whole, is totally illogical, but we don't lose games based on what he says to the press or fans so I'm not wasting my breath guessing what he means.

You are confusing Boyle's pick with Whitmer's pick.

 

[Carl Spackler]

You are confusing Boyle's pick with Whitmer's pick.

Totally understandable really. For me at least. By the time the 4th quarter of games has been rolling around recently, progressively over the past 3 seasons, I"ve been pretty cocked and the field and numbers pretty blurry, if I'm still even watching. The team's performance over the past 3.41666666666 seasons has not been good for my drinking habits. I drink more, sleep less. Oh well. It's good to have a bye week.

 

[businesslawyer]

You are confusing Boyle's pick with Whitmer's pick.

So much for reading comprehension. You are right, I am wrong. Sorry Pudge.

I only saw one interception. I was long gone before Boyle threw his.

 

[Pudge]

A few things Pudge:

1. You listed the backup OL. I am fairly certain the starting OL (Levy, Cruz, Mateas, Samra and Gifford) was in. I'm fairly certain that is the play that Gifford got hurt on.

2. So are you retracting yesterday's comment that his arm got hit as he threw? I haven't gone back and watched (I'd rather kill myself) but live it just look like an underthrow of a ball that can't be underthrown.

3. Of course Boyle isn't going to make us a much better team.

4. If Boyle is healthy, I would expect that he does get more of a serious audition, and not just a cameo, by New Orleans. As to his physical condition, I'm not wasting my time trying to figure out WTF HCBD is saying. What he has said, in whole, is totally illogical, but we don't lose games based on what he says to the press or fans so I'm not wasting my breath guessing what he means.

HEY ... you must be deep into something important; because, this post of yours is nonsense.

I said Boyle.

I watched the ESPN video ... stopped it every 3-5 seconds ... watching the second team OLine. And I dragged out the Roster ... and went number by number. ( I had never seen number 70 before) I got to see Hashemi run a route ... with 2 guys on him.

It was Boyle. WHITMER did have his arm hit on his interception; hence, it was not near enough flight for Foxx. But ... this Boyle one ... he just did not bear down and make a D1 throw. And the play was doable.

A BYE is a good thing.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

HEY ... you must be deep into something important; because, this post of yours is nonsense.

I said Boyle.

I watched the ESPN video ... stopped it every 3-5 seconds ... watching the second team OLine. And I dragged out the Roster ... and went number by number. ( I had never seen number 70 before) I got to see Hashemi run a route ... with 2 guys on him.

It was Boyle. WHITMER did have his arm hit on his interception; hence, it was not near enough flight for Foxx. But ... this Boyle one ... he just did not bear down and make a D1 throw. And the play was doable.

A BYE is a good thing.

Hashemi has played? His RS is burned?

 

[Carl Spackler]

Hashemi has played? His RS is burned?

Are you surprised? If so, why?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Are you surprised? If so, why?

Yes. There are 3 TE's ahead of him (McQuillan, Myers, Bloom). TE is probably not going to be his position in the future (he was recruited as an OT). I thought they moved him there for depth purposes only (along with Lawley). I believe he's only getting garbage time. That is a complete waste of a year. It's Pasqualoni-esque if you ask me.

But I'm sure you'll have some brilliant explanation why it was necessary to play Hashemi.