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No I don't get the apprehension about adding one of the best teams in the country and I couldn't care less about travel. UConn and the other Big East teams would travel out there once per season. The only ones who should look at the travel is Gonzaga and the costs of that would be more than taken care of with the money bump.
You think Gonzaga fans want most of their games to be at 4:00 PM? As for the Bog East helping them, I think playing in a conference where they will regularly lose games for the first time ever will probably diminish their reputation.
 
That article is very revealing. I remember when "new math" (Venn diagrams etc>) was introduced in the late 1960's. It was sold as "it's not so important that you get the right answer but that you understand "how math works". The other thing the article reminded me of is when I go to the deli in the supermarket and ask for a third of a pound of cheese or ham I often get the strangest looks so I say you know............ .333 or 1/3 and still the look so I say in between half pound and quarter pound and then the light goes on. Strange.
New Math made me laugh.

I taught 6th and 7th grade pre algebra as a long-term sub couple of years ago. The common core math is terrific to build towards algebra (not all teachers agree).

It’s just different because it is layered it builds upon previous work. Teachers don’t teach towards mastery. So a 6th grade teacher won’t know if their kid has mastered the material, because they aren’t intended to.

Anyhow, Funny thing is everyday after school, day before assignments, I had to go to the math teacher and get tutored. It all makes perfect sense, but the process is important.

To me, just getting the answer your own way isn’t quite effective once you get out of basic arithmetic.

Like the carry the 1 doesn’t exist anymore. Lol.

Also, who only gets 1/3 pound of cheese? Buy a poundI’m .
 
No I don't get the apprehension about adding one of the best teams in the country and I couldn't care less about travel. UConn and the other Big East teams would travel out there once per season. The only ones who should look at the travel is Gonzaga and the costs of that would be more than taken care of with the money bump.

Gonzaga's travel was the point I was making. I don't care if UConn has to fly out there one time a year and play at 10pm.

Not if they're an East Coast recruit, which would open things up for them...besides, would a recruit (from anywhere) rather play UConn/Nova/Creighton or Pacific/Pepperdine/Portland. The top players on the team last year were from Texas, Ontario/Florida, Minnesota, Virginia, etc. They recruit nationally (and internationally).

If you have to get on a plane, it's not that much of a difference to go 3 hours vs 5 hours at the end of the day. The time zone changes would be the biggest factor. But if you do 2 road games at a time (UConn-PC, St. John's/Hall, etc.), it lessens the burden.

Gonzaga isn't going to start recruiting the northeast and why would anyone from the northeast want to play there anyway if local Big East or ACC offers were on the table.
 
Gonzaga's travel was the point I was making. I don't care if UConn has to fly out there one time a year and play at 10pm.



Gonzaga isn't going to start recruiting the northeast and why would anyone from the northeast want to play there anyway if local Big East or ACC offers were on the table.
Why would anyone from the northeast want to play there? Because they're one of the best basketball programs in the country. Why would Gonzaga recruit the northeast? Because there's great basketball players in the northeast.
 
Why would anyone from the northeast want to play there? Because they're one of the best basketball programs in the country. Why would Gonzaga recruit the northeast? Because there's great basketball players in the northeast.

Gonzaga has had 1 high school recruit from east of the Mississippi River in the last decade plus (Chicago). Does it make sense to you that Gonzaga's staff should or would want to fly cross country to sit in HS gyms in the Northeast each time see some AAU game?

I can see why Gonzaga could be added - you don't seem to be willing to budge from there being no cause for reasonable concerns.
 
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Gonzaga has had 1 high school recruit from east of the Mississippi River in the last decade plus (Chicago). Does it make sense to you that Gonzaga's staff should or would want to fly cross country to sit in HS gyms in the Northeast each time see some AAU game?

I can see why Gonzaga could be added - you don't seem to be willing to budge from there being no cause for reasonable concerns.
UConn just got a stud player from Seattle, they didn't have to fly across the country all the time and sit in Seattle gyms. Gonzaga hasn't needed to recruit northeast kids, I'm sure if they were in the Big East they would look at some northeast kids. They recruit nationally and internationally, they got the best players in the country from Minneapolis and Omaha. They've gotten kids from the basketball factories Montverde Academy in Florida and Huntington Prep in West Virginia.

How on earth is Gonzaga's recruiting a reasonable concern? They're awesome at recruiting.
 
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Gonzaga has had 1 high school recruit from east of the Mississippi River in the last decade plus (Chicago). Does it make sense to you that Gonzaga's staff should or would want to fly cross country to sit in HS gyms in the Northeast each time see some AAU game?

I can see why Gonzaga could be added - you don't seem to be willing to budge from there being no cause for reasonable concerns.
This is just not even true, they've had multiple. Braden Huff (Illinois), Pavel Zakharov (Florida), Filip Petrusev (Florida), Zach Norvell Jr (Illinois), Josh Perkins (West Virginia)
 
This is just not even true, they've had multiple. Braden Huff (Illinois), Pavel Zakharov (Florida), Filip Petrusev (Florida), Zach Norvell Jr (Illinois), Josh Perkins (West Virginia)

Fair - I was looking at hometowns and omitted the basketball academies.

UConn just got a stud player from Seattle, they didn't have to fly across the country all the time and sit in Seattle gyms. Gonzaga hasn't needed to recruit northeast kids, I'm sure if they were in the Big East they would look at some northeast kids. They recruit nationally and internationally, they got the best players in the country from Minneapolis and Omaha. They've gotten kids from the basketball factories Montverde Academy in Florida and Huntington Prep in West Virginia.

How on earth is Gonzaga's recruiting a reasonable concern? They're awesome at recruiting.

I only said they weren't going to all of a sudden start recruiting the Northeast and why would anyone from the northeast want to go there.

Look, Gonzaga has one of the best college basketball coaches ever and has made them one of the countries best and most consistent programs. I think it's inextricably linked to him and wouldn't make a long term decision based on performance that not only isn't sustainable but is almost certain to fall off dramatically. That doesn't mean they will suck, it's just we'd be buying them for past performance.
 
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Fair - I was looking at hometowns and omitted the basketball academies.



I only said they weren't going to all of a sudden start recruiting the Northeast and why would anyone from the northeast want to go there.

Look, Gonzaga has one of the best college basketball coaches ever and has made them one of the countries best and most consistent programs. I think it's inextricably linked to him and wouldn't make a long term decision based on performance that not only isn't sustainable but is almost certain to fall off dramatically. That doesn't mean they will suck, it's just we'd be buying them for past performance.
What do you mean it is a cause for concern if Few leaves? There was this northeastern school They had one of the best coaches in the country and didn’t miss a beat when he left. Well for 2 years. Then they fell off a cliff.
 
That's definitely not success for UConn, so wouldn't be happy with that for this team. But for a team that's somewhere around the 8th or 9th best BE team that's still really successful and was absolutely worth adding
Whether they are in the league or not doesn’t impact things one way or the others. Adding them wouldn’t be a big win and loosing them wouldn’t be a big loss. Epitome of irrelevant
 
It's amazing the PAC12 didn't bother to add Gonzaga while on solid footing. Outside of a great tournament performance in 2021, the conference has continually gotten worse in basketball. Easily the worst of the major 6 conferences in hoops.

Gonzaga would have completely shifted that perception. Now they probably wouldn't join a conference that is being picked apart like a carcass.
How did Gonzaga’s football team do last year? There is your answer as to why the PAC ignored them. Here is the reality that you guys don’t get. For P5 leagues if you don’t have football you don’t matter. Why? The NEWBIE supposedly has the best paying basketball only contract. Even in the worst scenarios, a post Texas/Oklahoma B-12 earns 4-5 times what the NEWBIE does.
 
Yes, and Gonzaga is barely a part of it.
You clearly follow college sports, you should know geography doesn't matter. The Big East is a basketball conference, they can't add Ohio State or Bama to the conference. It looks like they can add another great basketball school though, one that resonates with people all across the country and is a big part of the college basketball landscape.
 
You clearly follow college sports, you should know geography doesn't matter. The Big East is a basketball conference, they can't add Ohio State or Bama to the conference. It looks like they can add another great basketball school though, one that resonates with people all across the country and is a big part of the college basketball landscape.
Geography doesn’t matter to TV Deals. Agree with that. Also doesn’t matter where you bring in so much money you can’t let it stand in the way. But I think it matters for a tiny school in Spokane, who’s fans won’t even be able to watch 2/3 of their road games. Maybe it happens. It’s not a good decision if it does. I don’t think Fox is going to pay up for Gonzaga in any way that increases the payout to the rest of the league. Best chance is maybe it’s not dilutive.
 
Why is Gonzaga a nightmare? I think you can work it in sports, leagues are national. UCLA is in the Big Ten and plays Penn State. Geography is no longer an issue anymore, it is are the institutions of like minds? A West Coast Catholic school is perfect.
When you get $60M+ from a TV deal it tends to solve some logistics issues smaller conferences have to figure out
 
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Geography doesn’t matter to TV Deals. Agree with that. Also doesn’t matter where you bring in so much money you can’t let it stand in the way. But I think it matters for a tiny school in Spokane, who’s fans won’t even be able to watch 2/3 of their road games. Maybe it happens. It’s not a good decision if it does. I don’t think Fox is going to pay up for Gonzaga in any way that increases the payout to the rest of the league. Best chance is maybe it’s not dilutive.
Given the amount of smoke around it, FOX probably back channeled to Big East to do it to get $X in new deal or even be considered for new deal with FOX and feels like an inevitability.
 
Given the amount of smoke around it, FOX probably back channeled to Big East to do it to get $X in new deal or even be considered for new deal with FOX and feels like an inevitability.
There is no smoke. It’s imaginary. Fox doesn’t give two craps for Gonzaga. They have no alumni. No fans.
 
Gonzaga to the Big East is a home run. There are two fears with the move: 1) geography and 2) fall-out of Few retiring. I have already alluded to why the geography thing is overblown in a previous post. Geography is an issue, but if FOX is giving 7-8 million/year to every team in the Big East, everybody is going to be happy.

With regards to Few retiring, 1) Gonzaga would be in the Big East so they should be able to find a coach that should at least keep them in the "regularly qualify for the tournament" camp and 2) they are a national brand in a power league- they'll be fine.
 
Not sure about that. Not at all.

I forget the exact details, but pretty sure it was winter of 2006? And I was up at like 3am or something like that while serving in Iraq to watch UConn play the Zags. Don’t think I would have done the same to play DePaul.

And DePaul was a better bball school when ?

The 80’s????
Ray Meyer (1953–84) had 724 wins
354 losses .673
Won a NIT ( real NC) with the legendary George Mikan one of the most influential BB players in history.
 
Gonzaga to the Big East is a home run. There are two fears with the move: 1) geography and 2) fall-out of Few retiring. I have already alluded to why the geography thing is overblown in a previous post. Geography is an issue, but if FOX is giving 7-8 million/year to every team in the Big East, everybody is going to be happy.

With regards to Few retiring, 1) Gonzaga would be in the Big East so they should be able to find a coach that should at least keep them in the "regularly qualify for the tournament" camp and 2) they are a national brand in a power league- they'll be fine.
1. There is a story about a famous writer. At a dinner he asked a woman if she would sleep with him for $1000. She agreed. Then he asked if she would do it for $10. She got huffy and asked what do you think I am? He responded”I think we’ve established that. Now we‘re just dickering about price.”

2. Yeah, because it worked so well for Butler, DePaul, St Johns…
 
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2. Yeah, because it worked so well for Butler, DePaul, St Johns…
It did work for Butler. Chris Holtmann was awesome and Thad Matta is a hell of a coach that they just hired and should keep them in the "regularly qualifying for the tournament" camp.
 
No I don't get the apprehension about adding one of the best teams in the country and I couldn't care less about travel. UConn and the other Big East teams would travel out there once per season. The only ones who should look at the travel is Gonzaga and the costs of that would be more than taken care of with the money bump.
Are you assuming that Gonzaga would only join as a basketball only?
 
I hate to break it to you people but Frank Martin is doing an excellent job recruiting at his new gig. Keep ignoring the obvious candidate.
 
I hate to break it to you people but Frank Martin is doing an excellent job recruiting at his new gig. Keep ignoring the obvious candidate.
Make the tourney for a decade straight to enter the discussion.
 
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