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huskymedic said:
New college football playoff includes access for Big East champion

If the Big East champion is the top-ranked champion among the Mountain West, Conference USA, Sun Belt and Mid-American Conferences, it will be assured a spot in one of college football's top six bowl games when the new playoff structure takes hold in 2014.

Boise State joins the Big East in 2013. In 2013, the Big East champion is assured of a spot in the BCS.

In 2014, the Big East champion (or the highest-ranked champion from one of the other leagues) will be assured of a spot in one of three "host bowls." Those games are expected to be the Fiesta Bowl outside Phoenix, the Cotton Bowl outside of Dallas and the Chick-Fil-A Bowl in Atlanta.

If this system had been in place in the past (and using the BCS Standings for the rankings), a team from the Big East would've been the highest-ranked team of the five conference champions in seven of the last nine years:
2011: Boise State (No. 7); Highest non-Big East: Southern Miss (No. 21)
2010: Boise State (No. 10); Highest non-Big East: Hawaii (No. 23)
2009: Cincinnati (No. 3); Highest non-Big East: None in top 25
2008: Boise State (No. 9); Highest-non Big East: Ball State (No. 22)
2007: Hawaii (No. 10); Highest Big East: South Florida (No. 21)
2006: Louisville (No. 6); Highest non-Big East: None in top 25
2005: Louisville (No. 19); Highest non-Big East: None in top 25
2004: Boise State (No. 9); Highest non-Big East: None in top 25
2003: Miami (Ohio) (No. 11); Highest Big East: Boise State (No. 17)

A Big East team is also eligible for the four-team playoff if chosen by a selection committee.

Read more here: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/20...cludes_access_big_east_champion#storylink=cpy
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What happens in a year like 2009? Assume cincy would be in the playoff. Would next best team get to the host bowl?

Also what is the difference between a contract bowl and host bowl?
 
Two good things come of this:

1. BYU will now head to a conference to have a shot at bowl access. They will likely pick the BE.

2. This is significantly better than no access at all.

We are officially a little league program. I don't think our f-ball program necessarily "deserves" better -- Rutgers, SDSU, Houston, SMU, USF, etc are all similar programs to us -- but the athletic department as a whole sure as hell deserves to be in a major conference.
 
The whole system stinks and is fundamentally anticompetitive. This dooms the second tier to the second tier forever. The Caste system is back in formal attire.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Isn't that misleading since Boise State wasn't in the Big East?

If the format were in place, the Big East would have had a BCS representative only 3 times. Cincy, and Louisville twice.

Boise State would have taken the spot 4 times as a member of the MWC.

Competitively, Boise State has very little reason to join the Big East. The money will hopefully be too much to pass up, but in terms of access, they should stay where they are.
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To calculate the revenue distribution they went back to 1998 and counted all BCS wins for a schools new conference. WVU counted towards big12, Pitt and Syr for acc. Boise counted towards the be.

If the BCS committee can rewrite history, would seem fair to do the same here.
 
BG79 said:
I believe ND has an in for the Orange Bowl. That one is ACC vs some stuff from big 12/SEC/ND according to that ESPN link.

I don't know how that format makes things any more difficult for BYU than it would for any Big East team. It's still who ranks the highest out of all the rest, if that's BYU wouldnt they get that spot regardless of what conference they're in or if they're independent still?

I just don't see this as good news, I see this as bad news as it's lumping us in with the scrub conferences despite teams in our conference having to play more difficult conference schedules. That might be reflected to some degree in the ranking format but a team with an undefeated record from the MWC is likely going to be ranked ahead of a Big East team that goes in with 2 or 3 losses but wins the conference.
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Don't forget SOS will be a key factor. This will hurt be, but will also hurt the other conferences more.
 
It's really not about the access as much as it is about the payout.

It appears the Big East is going to be screwed over royally when it comes to the payout.

Competing financially with even the ACC going forward is going to be difficult even if the TV deals are in the same universe (which is doubtful at best).
 
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BlueDogs said:
The whole system stinks and is fundamentally anticompetitive. This dooms the second tier to the second tier forever. The Caste system is back in formal attire.
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Well, at least there will still be a gap between the NNBE and the other stepchild conferences. I think Boise & SDSU will solidify that, and they're not going back now. So the NNBE will be in limbo between the first and second tiers, which is better than being in the second tier. Of course, as ConnHuskBask points out, it is not as good as being in the first tier.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Two good things come of this:

1. BYU will now head to a conference to have a shot at bowl access. They will likely pick the BE.

2. This is significantly better than no access at all.

We are officially a little league program. I don't think our f-ball program necessarily "deserves" better -- Rutgers, SDSU, Houston, SMU, USF, etc are all similar programs to us -- but the athletic department as a whole sure as hell deserves to be in a major conference.
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I wouldn't say we are little league. We easily have the best "Group of Five" conference. Schools would leave the others to join us in a heartbeat. Our athletic department is one of the very few east of the Mississippi next in line to go to a major conference (UConn, Louisville, Rutgers and maybe Cincinnati; USF and UCF have a long way to go). The Big East has been a major conference, it's just that the modus operandi of the Big East has been exposed. Now, we're seen as a conference who develops athletic departments for the pleasure of the big boys. If we never stepped up in football, we'd be doomed right now.
 
BlueDogs said:
The whole system stinks and is fundamentally anticompetitive. This dooms the second tier to the second tier forever. The Caste system is back in formal attire.
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This is how I take it. I cannot see this in any good light, we're basically screwed here as we went from an AQ conference to now one in the same as the MAC, MWC, CUSA, and Sun Belt. I can't see how that is spun into a good thing. I thought this was the end result that was so fervently being fought over to ensure didnt happen.
 
BG79 said:
This is how I take it. I cannot see this in any good light, we're basically screwed here as we went from an AQ conference to now one in the same as the MAC, MWC, CUSA, and Sun Belt. I can't see how that is spun into a good thing. I thought this was the end result that was so fervently being fought over to ensure didnt happen.
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Agreed. I always held out a little bit of hope, but this just seals it for me. We are no different than the other small time conferences now. Sick to my stomach.
 
huskysupporter said:
Agreed. I always held out a little bit of hope, but this just seals it for me. We are no different than the other small time conferences now. Sick to my stomach.
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And....we have more difficult academic requirements.
 
The way polls look right now is how they will still look. We'll have 2 or 3 teams in the top 25. Our schools are just that strong. Most athletes would rather be in the Big East than all other lower level coference schools. C-USA might develop some competition. I'd like to see where ODU goes.
 
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Its a shit sandwich to the Big East. No other conference got as royally screwed as the BE did. The non qualifying conferences got a new member to their club. The now 5 AQ conferences, were all too happy to push us there.

Going forward where is the money going to come from for the Big East to compete against the ACC when it comes to facilities, coaches etc.
 
noeynox said:
Going forward where is the money going to come from for the Big East to compete against the ACC when it comes to facilities, coaches etc.
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It just won't be there as much as that sucks.

Syracuse, Pitt and West Virginia got the last 3 life vests and are clearly in with the haves as we are grouped into the same group as Rice, Tulane, Colorado State, etc.

What is possibly most infuriating about the whole shake up is that coming off our Fiesta Bowl appearance we were so well positioned to really become the preeminent team in the Northeast. BC was down, Rutgers was well Rutgers, Syracuse was still recovering from G-Rob, the Paterno era was coming to an end (and now the whole Sandusky situation), Pitt had been mired in mediocrity and Maryland had been underwhelming as well.

It was really just there on a plate for UConn.

We got screwed by things out of hands (realignment) and screwed ourselves with the Pasqualoni hiring. Not sure where we go from here.
 
BG79 said:
This is how I take it. I cannot see this in any good light, we're basically screwed here as we went from an AQ conference to now one in the same as the MAC, MWC, CUSA, and Sun Belt. I can't see how that is spun into a good thing. I thought this was the end result that was so fervently being fought over to ensure didnt happen.
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The AQ was gone one way or the other post 2013. I'm not saying this is the best case but it's better than where it was headed. This at least guarantees the BE access to the 6 higher level bowl games, where before today (for post 2013) there was no guarantees the "5 red headed step children" would have any access to the 6 games. That's why the BE was fighting for a 7th Bowl - but that was going down in flames and not viable. This has always been about access.

edit - here is the latest ESPN spin from McMurphy:

http://espn.go.com/college-football...x-bowls-pool-college-football-semifinal-games
 
Marty Jackson said:
What happens in a year like 2009? Assume cincy would be in the playoff. Would next best team get to the host bowl?

Also what is the difference between a contract bowl and host bowl?
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The spots in the contract bowls are reserved for teams that have deals with those bowls. The contract bowls are: Rose (Pac-12 vs. Big Ten); Sugar (SEC vs. Big 12) and Orange (ACC vs. Big Ten, SEC or Notre Dame).
 
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Football upgrade was such a waste. Halcyon promises of homecoming weekends against major programs, star-studded matchups with Miami/VT, regional rivalries with BC and Syracuse...replaced with Temple and Memphis.
 
This falls into the category of no leadership again. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and why UConn (and the State AG) don't pursue antitrust is beyond me. Drop a suit in Federal court and stop this dead in its tracks. This will become a Congressional issue and get resolved through laws much like the Professionsl leagues which has antitrust exemptions as long as certain there is a union. In this case, there has to be equal representation among all A1 schools with clear entrance rules. A playoff system and ranking system is installed and the best get to play wherever they are from. This is nothing but a big money grab and attempt to control tv revenue at the expense of others. At least in BB, teams can show up and make their case on the floor.
 
I am confused. Aresco has repeatedly told us there's no "Big 5", only a "Big6". Turns out there is a "Big 6" (5 Contract conferences plus ND), and a "little 5". What happened, Mike?
 
All I know is somebody ought to be fighting like hell to save the 100 Million plus in this program which is about get royally flushed. Starts with getting rid of losers at the coaching helm, and driving like hell to get into a power conference (including paying up to get in). It means going to court to stop the new BCS system and doing everything else that makes it clear UConn will not be relegated to second class citizenship. We need fighters now more than ever.
 
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I guess the true measure will be how much money the big east gets to divvy up between all the teams in the conference. Anyone have any idea if it will be less than the big east currently gets from the BCS set up?

I've read both articles and still feel like the big east has been told to jump on the short bus.
 
This seems like great news to me. I don't understand the subdued reaction in the Boneyard, this is even better then creating a 7th bowl because it is less watered down. The Big East will own this bid 9 out of 10 years.

The last 14 months have really turned into a positive for Big East football:

1) We now have a playoff which gives an undefeated Big East champion a chance to compete for a championship. Before the playoff there was almost no chance.

2) The football conference is now better then ever and will be on par with the ACC if BYU joins. The 8 team Big East with its 7 conference games was a disaster. We lost WVU but picked up Boise and Syracuse and Pitt are no more exciting than Temple in Football so good riddance to them.

3) While no longer having an auto-bid to the BCS, when you look at the competition it becomes obvious that the Big East will almost always be represented in one of the big 6 bowls.

4) Most importantly we now have a real commissioner and the Catholic schools no longer have a choke hold on the conference.
 
Still just can't see how this is a positive. This is a fantastic deal for the MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sunbelt, they go from no real opportunity to legitimate BCS opportunity a huge gain for them. For us, we go from AQ status to relegated to this mess. Teams get one shot at a BCS bowl and they need to not only ensure they win the Big East but also make sure they rank higher than any team from the other 4 conferences I listed above. It's a tall order, not an impossible one but certainly there are going to be many years where the Big East champion will not be in a BCS bowl. I don't know how this will help with recruiting, it is a tall order attracting recruits as it was now that there is no surefire AQ and it's basically institutionalized that the Big East is a marginal conference it'll only get more difficult.
 
zls44 said:
Football upgrade was such a waste. Halcyon promises of homecoming weekends against major programs, star-studded matchups with Miami/VT, regional rivalries with BC and Syracuse...replaced with Temple and Memphis.
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The fact that you wish the Rent were never built says more about you then it does about the Big East. BTW Miami, VT, Boston College and Syracuse all stink in case you haven't noticed.
 
The BE champ went from an automatic seat to having to qualify over 5 other conferences. Yayyy!
 
BG79 said:
Still just can't see how this is a positive. This is a fantastic deal for the MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sunbelt, they go from no real opportunity to legitimate BCS opportunity a huge gain for them. For us, we go from AQ status to relegated to this mess. Teams get one shot at a BCS bowl and they need to not only ensure they win the Big East but also make sure they rank higher than any team from the other 4 conferences I listed above. It's a tall order, not an impossible one but certainly there are going to be many years where the Big East champion will not be in a BCS bowl. I don't know how this will help with recruiting, it is a tall order attracting recruits as it was now that there is no surefire AQ and it's basically institutionalized that the Big East is a marginal conference it'll only get more difficult.
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The Big East AQ was gone whether today's events occurred or didn't occur.

This seems to b the best of crappy circumstances (consistent raiding during realignment, crappy football, or crappy vision in Providence).
 
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