BC struggles to compete in ACC. Why did ACC want them?

[CTEagle]

Now Duncan gets it. Sensible read on the situation No arrogance or sense of entitlement.

 

[Husky68]

This may seem way too simplistic but UCONN's problem starts and ends with their arrogance and entitlement mentality.
I know your first reaction will be to become very defensive, even pissed off, but that is part of what I am referring to.
Think about it for a while, apply it to circumstances where you feel UConn is getting the short end of the stick. It just may start making some sense.

This thread started with:

"I really can't understand why the ACC wanted Boston College. They are a small, private, Catholic school with limited fan support. They are a geographical outlier in the ACC. Now, it's apparent that BC is struggling to compete in any sport in the ACC."

Were not asking why not Uconn, but why BCU. What did the ACC see in BCU and did they get it? I think they got what they wanted but did not accomplish their football goals. The ACC wanted a buttboy who would get them to 12, kill off the BE so no eastern football threat, not be a threat sports wise and since is harder to into than Harvard would also help academics. Didn't kill off BE (next expansion turned ACC into BE) nor has ACC been able to get close to top 4 conferences in football but did get a weak sister for conference buttboy status.
Once Rutgers and Maryland to B10 the eastern football being ACC was lost.

 

[CTEagle]

Westharthusk, you need to show some love and kindness to those of us who are less athletically and academically well off than you.

Treating people less fortunate than you so harshly will not place you in a positive light. People may even think you are being...arrogant!

 

[OkaForPrez]

Now Duncan gets it. Sensible read on the situation No arrogance or sense of entitlement.

How's this for arrogance: When we end up in the ACC with you, we are going to spend the rest of eternity reminding you how you tried and failed to F us outside of the lines.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Westarthusk, you need to show some love and kindness to those of us who are less athletically and academically well off than you.

Treating people less fortunate than you so harshly will not place you in a positive light. People may even think you are being...arrogant!

So you admit that you're inferior?

 

[CTEagle]

Absolutely not. Just repeating what W.H.H. is stating. I particularly chuckled at his shot at BC's academic standing (what a fool) not to mention his pathetic attack on Catholicism. Any fellow Catholics on this board a little offended by that?

 

[ddminct]

. Any fellow Catholics on this board a little offended by that?

Absolutely not. The Catholic Church has done a lot more to offend me.

 

[CTEagle]

Notice I said a little offended

 

[ddminct]

Notice I said a little offended

Do I stutter?

 

[businesslawyer]

Westharthusk, you need to show some love and kindness to those of us who are less athletically and academically well off than you.

Treating people less fortunate than you so harshly will not place you in a positive light. People may even think you are being...arrogant!

This is a UConn board. If you go to an NRA meeting and get sick of their pep talks, remember that you would be the arrogant one for complaining. They should have the freedom to say what they want among their own.

 

[Davidm]

Absolutely not. Just repeating what W.A.H. is stating. I particularly chuckled at his shot at BC's academic standing (what a fool) not to mention his pathetic attack on Catholicism. Any fellow Catholics on this board a little offended by that?

You are attempting to stir up trouble, you call everyone in this post / on another post arrogant yet you are on OUR forums posting that UConn isn't deserving of an ACC invite and insinuating that BC is superior some how to us.

Honestly please just leave you are nothing but an annoyance and lets all tell it like it is, A) if the ACC could have a re-do BC would never have been invited and UConn would now be in the ACC instead. Your Football and Basketball haven't been relevant my whole life (born in 89) and should probably just be dropped. B) BC was only invited in the first place because the ACC believed they could deliver the Boston market which was a obvious mistake. Browse any ACC teams forums and see how they feel about BC (I've even read fans from ACC teams wish they could kick BC OUT of the ACC), better yet browse any teams forum from a power conference and see how your beloved eagles are viewed (if they are even mentioned at all).

Ironic that you think UConn is so disliked and fail to realize that BC is not a favorite of anyone either.

 

[WestHartHusk]

I'm not trying to insult anybody's faith, what I am saying is a fact. Catholics in the US are staring at enrollment drops over like 40% at the elementary,and secondary levels, and the "interest" in being Catholic in the US is down 34% in the last 8 years - according to Georgetown. And BC is absolutely tied to that trend institutionally.

Now, when you couple the demographic trends with the cost of your school it seems to me that when the education bubble pops BC will be one of the first hit.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Notice I said a little offended

Where is BC expanding its campus in Boston? Oh yeah, they purchased the 43 acre campus across the street that used to serve as the Archbishop’s residence for just under $100 million. Why? Because the Roman Catholic Church became more interested in protecting itself than helping the people the Church serves and has had to pay out $85 million to settle claims to date.
I’m Catholic and just a little offended.

 

[CTEagle]

Agreed Bizlawyer. I was simply answering a question from zls44.

 

[Vowelguy]

I really can't understand why the ACC wanted Boston College.

Seriously? Who should they have wanted instead?

At the time of the raid, they were a program with regular bowl appearances, and more significantly a national name because of some big upsets (eg, winning at #1 ND in the late 90s), and Flutie.

And they're in a huge media market, particularly compared to mostly medium-sized cities in ACC country.
And it's wealthy market, so attractive to advertisers.

Their performance in the past year (or even past decade), crappy as it is, is irrelevant, since the decision was made 10 years ago.

The ACC's other options were West Virginia, Pitt, and Rutgers. At the time, which was more attractive than BC?

 

[Husky25]

Seriously? Who should they have wanted instead?

At the time of the raid, they were a program with regular bowl appearances, and more significantly a national name because of some big upsets (eg, winning at #1 ND in the late 90s), and Flutie.

And they're in a huge media market, particularly compared to mostly medium-sized cities in ACC country.
And it's wealthy market, so attractive to advertisers.

Their performance in the past year (or even past decade), crappy as it is, is irrelevant, since the decision was made 10 years ago.

The ACC's other options were West Virginia, Pitt, and Rutgers. At the time, which was more attractive than BC?

For the record, the win over ND happened in 1993. I remember watching it at my buddy's house after my own high school football game. They were ranked #2 in the country under Coach Jags (with Matty Ice), then Jags called DeFillipo's stupid bluff and was released.

Also to be fair, the demise of the basketball team didn't happen until Sean Williams was dismissed and Dudley graduated. It was complete when Al Skinner failed to recruit a single 1st year player before his final year.

Re: markets: Boston is the 6th largest media market in the country, but one problem...No one watched local college sports up there, nor was (is) college sports talked about on the radio or tv (Fox Sports New England at the time, now Comcast SportsNet). Boston, especially in 2003, was all about the Red Sox and Patriots. It's not a city wide thing, the affliction is state-wide.

 

[The Viking]

This may seem way too simplistic but UCONN's problem starts and ends with their arrogance and entitlement mentality.
I know your first reaction will be to become very defensive, even pissed off, but that is part of what I am referring to.
Think about it for a while, apply it to circumstances where you feel UConn is getting the short end of the stick. It just may start making some sense.

The most simple truth to this whole BC/UConn thing is the mere fact that BC is terrified of UConn. If any BC fan wants to tell me otherwise I'd love to hear an explanation as to how I'm wrong.

 

[pj]

The ACC's other options were West Virginia, Pitt, and Rutgers. At the time, which was more attractive than BC?

West Virginia, Pitt, and Rutgers.

 

[pj]

The ACC has shown zero foresight throughout this process. "CR is about football" was true 2-3 years ago, but no longer; now it is about markets and audience and year-round inventory.

CR is about generating new money and now that the football playoff money is negotiated, the money is in networks. Soon basketball will be the hot revenue source since the top conferences will break away from the NCAA.

 

[tzznandrew]

West Virginia, Pitt, and Rutgers.

Here's the problem: the ACC has moved different because they have different problems than the B1G. The ACC was perceived in 2003, rightly, as the worst of the power 6. Miami and VT had both earned title game appearances, Syracuse and BC had been successful.

So, in their initial move, they tried to beef up their football. Miami, BC, and Syracuse were their initial move (I think Syracuse was a move to placate Tobacco Road, as they had gone through some droughts...but they were solid). Rutgers had never won anything in basketball or football; West Virginia had won the league once and had never been to the BCS; Pitt had not won it at all, and was yet to be a force in basketball. Virginia Tech is who they took, and they've been a success on the football side.

But to suggest that they should have taken those schools is to write in different motives. When you are in the south, and playing football, demographics work for you. They needed good football schools, and picked Miami, who made sense, and Virginia Tech, who also made sense. Boston College made less sense, but they had been to 4 straight bowl games by 2002, and had a long and strong history. Certainly they had no idea how much BC would fall apart. But adding the three schools you name would have left the Big East a very good football conference, which is what they were trying to prevent.

 

[zls44]

I asked. CTEagle has every right to reply.

 

[CTEagle]

Vowelguy is correct and while the Viking is showing his arrogance. I love when UCONN fans say we are terrified of UCONN when historically(pre-and post ACC), we have always scheduled real football schools (not neophytes like UCONN) with national prominence.

Just a foolish and ignorant statement.

 

[The Viking]

Vowelguy is correct and while the Viking is showing his arrogance. I love when UCONN fans say we are terrified of UCONN when historically(pre-and post ACC), we have always scheduled real football schools (not neophytes like UCONN) with national prominence.

Just a foolish and ignorant statement.

Well why won't you let us in? What are you afraid of?
Is it the fact that once we became good at hoops we beat you 15-20 straight times?
Or is it the fact that in less than 10 years of being Div 1-A we were putting better football teams on the gridiron than "storied" BC?

 

[pj]

Vowelguy is correct and while the Viking is showing his arrogance. I love when UCONN fans say we are terrified of UCONN when historically(pre-and post ACC), we have always scheduled real football schools (not neophytes like UCONN) with national prominence.

Just a foolish and ignorant statement.

They didn't say terrified of the on-the-field competition, rather terrified of the off-the-field competition for university prestige and mindshare.

Of course playing Notre Dame is good for BC, even if they get whipped. But having a nearby school that surpasses them? That's terrifying to a university president.

 

[The Viking]

They didn't say terrified of the on-the-field competition, rather terrified of the off-the-field competition for university prestige and mindshare.

Of course playing Notre Dame is good for BC, even if they get whipped. But having a nearby school that surpasses them? That's terrifying to a university president.

True. And if UConn is ever in the same conference as BC it's not a question of "if" UConn surpasses them, it's "by how much" does UConn surpass them.

 

[Vowelguy]

Vowelguy is correct and while the Viking is showing his arrogance. I love when UCONN fans say we are terrified of UCONN when historically(pre-and post ACC), we have always scheduled real football schools (not neophytes like UCONN) with national prominence.

Just a foolish and ignorant statement.

UConn basketball vs BC basketball
1980: BC (with CT players), no contest
2000: UConn (with MA players), no contest

It is clear BC was worried about the same thing happening in FB.

 

[CTEagle]

Lets not forget we beat ND 6-7 years before losing the last 3 . That has been an even series since it heated up.

That funny, I believe last I checked Harvard and MIT are just a few miles away from BC and they have more university prestige. Hell, Harvard has kicked our ass in BBALL the last 3 years and we still schedule them.

Next theory.

 

[Husky25]

Vowelguy is correct and while the Viking is showing his arrogance. I love when UCONN fans say we are terrified of UCONN when historically(pre-and post ACC), we have always scheduled real football schools (not neophytes like UCONN) with national prominence.

Just a foolish and ignorant statement.

Contrapositively, an argument can be made that real football schools schedule Neophytes like Boston College.

 

[CTEagle]

Ok Vowel guy answer this.
If what you say is true then why didn't BC try to block UCONN's invitation to Hockey East. Aren't we terrified you will steal away all the MA kids we get now in hockey?

 

[CTEagle]

OH boy, Maybe you should look up the definition of Neophyte.