OT: Baylor Is The Gift That Keeps On Giving...

[BigBird]

This is getting more and more weird...

Baylor fires strength coach after arrest on solicitation of prostitution charge

 

[JordyG]

Honestly, what does a program have to do to get the Death Penalty?

 

[FairView]

And this is the organization that had a problem with Brittney Griner just being herself?

 

[easttexastrash]

I didn't even know that Waco had hookers.

 

[easttexastrash]

Honestly, what does a program have to do to get the Death Penalty?

So the NCAA hands out punishment for a coach attempting to hire a hooker for himself?

 

[Carnac]

Honestly, what does a program have to do to get the Death Penalty?

SMU set the standard for qualifying for the death penalty. For those of you not up to speed on the particulars that caused SMU to get that death blow, here's the reader's digest version:

The Southern Methodist University football scandal (also known as Ponygate) was an incident in which the football program at Southern Methodist University was investigated and punished for massive violations of NCAA rules and regulations. The most serious violation was the maintenance of a slush fund used for "under the table" payments to players from the mid-1970s through 1986.

This culminated in the NCAA handing down the so-called "death penalty" by canceling SMU's entire 1987 schedule. SMU was allowed to return for an abbreviated 1988 season, but opted to sit that season out as well after school officials determined it would be impossible to field a viable team. The severity of the penalty left the SMU football program in ruin.

The Mustangs had only one winning season over the next 20 years and failed to make another bowl game until 2009. To date, it is one of the most severe penalties ever imposed on a Division I program, and the only time the NCAA has canceled a football-playing school's entire season at any level.

So I guess the question is, does the overall cumulative transgressions, school, conference and NCAA rule violations qualify Baylor for the death penalty? Was what SMU did as egregious as this? And if not, why?

 

[pinotbear]

I didn't even know that Waco had hookers.

I gotta admit, that made me laugh - and, think of several replies, any one of which would get me banned from the board!

 

[JordyG]

So the NCAA hands out punishment for a coach attempting to hire a hooker for himself?

I apologize, you are correct. It's not as if this program has done anything previous to indicate a total and vile lack of moral or ethical standards. Nothing at all to indicate this behavior is systemic.

 

[JordyG]

SMU set the standard for qualifying for the death penalty. For those of you not up to speed on the particulars that caused SMU to get that death blow, here's the reader's digest version:

The Southern Methodist University football scandal (also known as Ponygate) was an incident in which the football program at Southern Methodist University was investigated and punished for massive violations of NCAA rules and regulations. The most serious violation was the maintenance of a slush fund used for "under the table" payments to players from the mid-1970s through 1986.

This culminated in the NCAA handing down the so-called "death penalty" by canceling SMU's entire 1987 schedule. SMU was allowed to return for an abbreviated 1988 season, but opted to sit that season out as well after school officials determined it would be impossible to field a viable team. The severity of the penalty left the SMU football program in ruin.

The Mustangs had only one winning season over the next 20 years and failed to make another bowl game until 2009. To date, it is one of the most severe penalties ever imposed on a Division I program, and the only time the NCAA has canceled a football-playing school's entire season at any level.

So I guess the question is, does the overall cumulative transgressions, school, conference and NCAA rule violations qualify Baylor for the death penalty? Was what SMU did as egregious as this? And if not, why?

Preach C-man.

 

[jonson]

I apologize, you are correct. It's not as if this program has done anything previous to indicate a total and vile lack of moral or ethical standards. Nothing at all to indicate this behavior is systemic.

And not just (relatively) recently. I'd almost forgotten the Dennehy, Dotson, Bliss scandal from 2003:

COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Death and Deception

 

[Icebear]

I didn't even know that Waco had hookers.

They, also, do crossstitch.

 

[bags27]

I share Jordy's outrage and impulse. But Carnac correctly brings up SMU, and the NCAA came to the subsequent decision that the death penalty was far too destructive, no matter what the crime.

But did I take a little extra joy in watching Baylor lose last night? yeah....

 

[JordyG]

And not just (relatively) recently. I'd almost forgotten the Dennehy, Dotson, Bliss scandal from 2003:

COLLEGE BASKETBALL; Death and Deception

Thanks you sir for reminding everyone of this tragic episode. Even though this event is 14 years old it seems a rotten tree continues to bear poisoned fruit.

 

[JordyG]

I share Jordy's outrage and impulse. But Carnac correctly brings up SMU, and the NCAA came to the subsequent decision that the death penalty was far too destructive, no matter what the crime.

But did I take a little extra joy in watching Baylor lose last night? yeah.....

I think also the cost to the NCAA in publicity and the subsequent payouts through lawsuits and otherwise were part of their decision as in the Sandusky case.

 

[Vowelguy]

Honestly, what does a program have to do to get the Death Penalty?

No program will ever get the death penalty again.

 

[j66kicker]

SMU set the standard for qualifying for the death penalty. For those of you not up to speed on the particulars that caused SMU to get that death blow, here's the reader's digest version:

The Southern Methodist University football scandal (also known as Ponygate) was an incident in which the football program at Southern Methodist University was investigated and punished for massive violations of NCAA rules and regulations. The most serious violation was the maintenance of a slush fund used for "under the table" payments to players from the mid-1970s through 1986.

This culminated in the NCAA handing down the so-called "death penalty" by canceling SMU's entire 1987 schedule. SMU was allowed to return for an abbreviated 1988 season, but opted to sit that season out as well after school officials determined it would be impossible to field a viable team. The severity of the penalty left the SMU football program in ruin.

The Mustangs had only one winning season over the next 20 years and failed to make another bowl game until 2009. To date, it is one of the most severe penalties ever imposed on a Division I program, and the only time the NCAA has canceled a football-playing school's entire season at any level.

So I guess the question is, does the overall cumulative transgressions, school, conference and NCAA rule violations qualify Baylor for the death penalty? Was what SMU did as egregious as this? And if not, why?

(Not) Coincidentally Eric Dickerson played for SMU 1979-1982.

BTW the University of San Francisco (3-time hoop national champions and alma mater of Bill Russell) did a self-imposed basketball death penalty from 1982-85. The University Pres said he'd had enough basketball scandals (mostly paying players, boosters providing cars and no-show jobs, etc) and threatened to close down the program if it didn't stop. It didn't stop and he followed through in the face of a major NCAA crackdown..

 

[HoopsFan21]

I apologize, you are correct. It's not as if this program has done anything previous to indicate a total and vile lack of moral or ethical standards. Nothing at all to indicate this behavior is systemic.

You would have thought interfering with a police investigation to cover up a murder by a basketball player would be indication enough that there are some issues there. Guess one of the football players will have to actually nuke the city before anyone takes notice.

 

[JordyG]

No program will ever get the death penalty again.

Never say never friend. Nevertheless, if this case doesn't warrant it then they should just take that rule or even the suggestion of the rule out of the books.

 

[Vowelguy]

Never say never friend. Nevertheless, if this case doesn't warrant it then they should just take that rule or even the suggestion of the rule out of the books.

Read up on college sports. There is widespread opinion that the death penalty was so devastating to SMU that it will never ever be used again.

Still, the crippling effects the penalty had on SMU has reportedly made the NCAA reluctant to impose another one. Former University of Florida President John V. Lombardi, now president of the Louisiana State University System, said in 2002: "SMU taught the committee that the death penalty is too much like the nuclear bomb. It's like what happened after we dropped the (atom) bomb in World War II. The results were so catastrophic that now we'll do anything to avoid dropping another one.”[21]​

 

[Fairfield Fan]

From Baylor University's website:

"Amidst a sea of secular and parochial institutions of higher education, Baylor stands unique in its pursuits of scholastic excellence while holding firm to its Christian heritage..."

Yeah, right! Really showing us your "Christian heritage," ain't ya.

 

[JordyG]

From Baylor University's website:

"Amidst a sea of secular and parochial institutions of higher education, Baylor stands unique in its pursuits of scholastic excellence while holding firm to its Christian heritage...."

Yeah, right! Really showing us your "Christian heritage," ain't ya.

I agree with everything up to the word "unique".

 

[rugbymate]

I have lots of friends that are hookers( for the unenlightened that is a technical term for a certain rugby position)

 

[rugbymate]

I have lots of friends that are hookers( for the unenlightened that is a technical term for a certain rugby position)

 

[JordyG]

I have lots of friends that are hookers( for the unenlightened that is a technical term for a certain rugby position)

"Hookers" is also a term formally used in pro wrestling denoting wrestlers that used technical moves such as heel locks, toe locks, knee bars etc.

 

[schmendrick]

From Baylor University's website:

"Amidst a sea of secular and parochial institutions of higher education, Baylor stands unique in its pursuits of scholastic excellence while holding firm to its Christian heritage...."

Make the pursuits of scholastic excellence and held-firm Christian heritage great again.