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You may be correct, but having the NCAA involved does not mean that justice will be served. A lesser school...than UNC would have been hammered by now. Continues to be a black mark against the NCAA to the question of which is the bigger fraud.

Have you seen the strange commercial Billy Jean King has cut for the NCAA? Ommagosh!
She says that it's good that college athletes play just "for the love" of it, not for money. They just want to be successful in whatever way they imagine, she intones. And the way college sports is dis-connected from big money is the reason we can all support it.

Lose my lunch.
 
Have you seen the strange commercial Billy Jean King has cut for the NCAA? Ommagosh! She says that it's good that college athletes play just "for the love" of it, not for money. They just want to be successful in whatever way they imagine, she intones.

I'm sure BJK filmed this commercial "for the love" of it, not for money.

Sure.:rolleyes:
 
Have you seen the strange commercial Billy Jean King has cut for the NCAA? Ommagosh!
She says that it's good that college athletes play just "for the love" of it, not for money. They just want to be successful in whatever way they imagine, she intones. And the way college sports is dis-connected from big money is the reason we can all support it.

Lose my lunch.
I have not seen it. I tried to do a little research into how much of her early tennis life she gave playing for her high school or college just for the love of it. You know what? I couldn't find much. Maybe her HS and college didn't have girls tennis back in the day. (In the interest of full disclosure she is but a year older than me). Now maybe she played a lot of the tennis events as a amateur I can't really tell. But my guess is she played for earnings pretty early in the process. I think there are two levels of athletes in college. Those who are really good and have a strong chance of becoming a pro in their sport. And I include those who at the very least thinks they may have a pro future. And group 2 includes all the players who understand a pro career is not in their future and do in fact play which ever sport it is for the sheer love of it. BJK should be honest that many playing collegiate sports are there because of the money that will be available whenever they can make the leap.
 
Have you seen the strange commercial Billy Jean King has cut for the NCAA? Ommagosh!
She says that it's good that college athletes play just "for the love" of it, not for money. They just want to be successful in whatever way they imagine, she intones. And the way college sports is dis-connected from big money is the reason we can all support it.

Lose my lunch.



NCAA says it "prioritizes academics, well-being and fairness." :rolleyes:

Also, lol that comments were disabled and @ the dislike/like ratio for that clip (which I'm proud to say, I added to today:)).
 
Hoopsfan-
<<What is it with schools from Texas? Are athletics that big of a deal there that they ... abandon any sort of morality and compliance...?>>

It's in the Constitution!
Because Tejas came into the US as a sovereign Republic in 1845.
They are allowed to break up into 6 states, force-feed their football teams, & form their own (secret, undercover) professional sport leagues.
Friday Night Lights cubed!! You really have to see it.
 
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Unbelievable. A group of Baylor boosters, including co-owner of the Texas Rangers, is pushing to bring Art Briles back as football coach in 2017. Baylor board of regents are voting on this tonight.

Reports: Baylor donors push for Briles return

Well........well.........well. From the "Actions speak louder than words" file: Forget all of the rhetoric, banging of the drums, along with the shock and dismay the regents expressed after this story broke.
Forget that they said that: every student's safety and well being was their their highest concern and priority. Forget that they promised to get to the bottom of this, take corrective measures, and make sure it never happened again.

It's been documented that Briles had knowledge of those acts, and did nothing about them (which is why he was terminated). Like Lazarus, he died, and was buried. Now, they're trying to resurrect him. Now we know for sure exactly where Baylor's priorities really lay. :confused: If Briles is brought back after a year's suspension, the news media will have a field day with this. If the BOR vote to allow him back, this may be an act that they can not over come. They may find themselves removed from their seats on the board.
 
I have not seen it. I tried to do a little research into how much of her early tennis life she gave playing for her high school or college just for the love of it. You know what? I couldn't find much. Maybe her HS and college didn't have girls tennis back in the day. (In the interest of full disclosure she is but a year older than me). Now maybe she played a lot of the tennis events as a amateur I can't really tell. But my guess is she played for earnings pretty early in the process. I think there are two levels of athletes in college. Those who are really good and have a strong chance of becoming a pro in their sport. And I include those who at the very least thinks they may have a pro future. And group 2 includes all the players who understand a pro career is not in their future and do in fact play which ever sport it is for the sheer love of it. BJK should be honest that many playing collegiate sports are there because of the money that will be available whenever they can make the leap.
It is quite a dichotomy. A small percentage of football and men's basketball players, some baseball players, a very few women's basketball players and a couple of isolated stars in other sports have a chance at really good money when they graduate. Another small percentage will get to play or compete in their sport, professionally, but not earn any significant money from doing so.

And that's the really sad thing about the folks chasing the financial pro success - there really are so few of them across the board of college athletics.

As to those who think they have a pro future - I saw a survey (I don't know how reliable) that 70% of DI men's BB players think they have a pro future. Delusional much?
 
Well...well....well. From the "Actions speak louder than words" file: Forget all of the rhetoric, banging of the drums, along with the shock and dismay the regents expressed after this story broke.
Forget that they said that: every student's safety and well being was their their highest concern and priority. Forget that they promised to get to the bottom of this, take corrective measures, and make sure it never happened again.

It's been documented that Briles had knowledge of those acts, and did nothing about them (which is why he was terminated). Like Lazarus, he died, and was buried. Now, they're trying to resurrect him. Now we know for sure exactly where Baylor's priorities really lay. :confused: If Briles is brought back after a year's suspension, the news media will have a field day with this. If the BOR vote to allow him back, this may be an act that they can not over come. They may find themselves removed from their seats on the board.
To be fair, this is being driven by a small group of boosters, albeit heavy contributors (including Bob Simpson, Rangers co-owner and benefactor of Baylor's Simpson Athletics and Academic Center). And the board of regents is saying last night's phone meeting was a pre-planned meeting and had nothing to do with Briles (although it was reported separately that a preliminary vote on bringing Briles back was "close").

Baylor prez confirms donor push for Briles return
 
I heard a legal opinion on the Baylor situation on the radio today. The gist was that Baylor is trying to figure out how to terminate Briles, not pay him his full contract, but minimize legal exposure. If they fire him for cause, then they must specifically identify the 'cause', and open themselves up (more than they are already) as an easier lawsuit target.

To date Baylor has not referred to any specifics in their communications on the allegations. Their 13-page "statement of fact" was written by Baylor themselves, condensed from Pepper's lengthy verbal report (the real facts, but not recorded). Pepper, their hired legal firm, retains the only recorded records of any details of their investigation. Of course attorney-client privilege shields them from being forced to divulge those details. The 13-page paper is vague regarding any specifics (hence it can't be used as hard evidence against the university). Baylor says it omitted any specifics "to protect the identity of the victims", even though many of the victims are coming forward, trying to get their stories listened to.

So, basically, Baylor is in full-on damage control mode, not even close to "full transparency, do everything we can to make things better" mode.
 
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Bottom line. All of this says "Parents, don't send your young women to Baylor." Football>The New Testament.
 
Bottom line. All of this says "Parents, don't send your young women to Baylor." Football>The New Testament.

Donor: "Hey, it's a BCS Championship. So my daughter got raped. I'd say we'd all agree the 'ship was worth that sacrifice."

The other bottom line: $$$, from BCS championships/success and related benefits (said donors) to increased visibility that apparently has been leading to a larger student body pool.

The initial/early reactions from those identifying themselves as Baylor supporters (fans, alums, parents) focused on the everything from "evidence" (which is being kept as private as possible, per other reports) to lashing out at 3rd parties (press, posters, etc.). As these Title IX cases come out, those reactions will have to change (the look in the mirror part), otherwise you'll have a "what a fool believes, he sees" situation. That's deleterious for all concerned at Baylor, from individuals to institutions.

We'll see how this affects the quality and quantity of enrollment...right now Baylor undergrad is nearly 60% female. If the institution keeps moving forward like they have to this point, I can't see good things happening there. And that, ironically, might catch some of these regent's eyes because that will-- at some point -- affect the bottom line: $$$.
 
Briles now filing a motion saying he was wrongly terminated and made a scapegoat for Baylor's overall institutional failure in addressing sexual assault. He also wants his own representation in a Title IX lawsuit naming the university, McCaw (recently resigned athletic director) and Briles. (The perpetrator - a former football player - was convicted of rape and sent to prison for 20 years.) Briles says the University is trying to agree to a quick settlement and he wants no part of it. Says the U has withheld info from him, excluded him from meetings on the issue, and made statements on his behalf without his consent. His lawyer says if they settle he isn't paying anything because he doesn't owe anything.

Briles accuses Baylor of wrongful termination
 
Wow. Briles certainly isn't getting very good advice, legal or otherwise, if he ever plans to coach again in college. Unless he can conclusively prove he turned in every single one of the players involved and the school elected to do nothing about it, he's gonna be toast when this gets through. Plus he was still solely responsible for suspension or expulsion of players from the team. If he persists on this course, it will be ten times uglier than Rich Rodriguez's very acrimonious departure from West Virginia.
 
The purpose of the filing was to force BU to settle on the balance of Briles' contract ($40M or so).
Baylor could have argued his termination for cause but that would have meant having the litigation data he was seeking brought to court (including that Pepper Hamilton finding, which apparently still only exists in oral form).
So as not to weaken their defense against the Title IX lawsuits they're facing, Briles has been paid.
He's 60 and will never get a gig as good as the one he had, but someone else out there will be desperate or clueless enough to hire him (viz Dave Bliss).
If not, he now has a pretty expansive golden parachute to fall back on.

Reports: Baylor, Art Briles reach contract settlement
 
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Nobody's saying how much of the remaining $40 million he'll be paid, but I think we can infer that part of the settlement was Briles being taken off the hook for any damages or settlements in the Title IX suits which name him along with the university.
 
Briles Financial Settlement Finalized

Regent: Briles, Baylor reach financial settlement

And now the Big 12 Conference wants to review the law firm's unedited report (with names redacted)
Big 12 asks Baylor to hand over 'all documents' related to sexual assault investigations

So, now the conference that Baylor plays in wants to take a thorough look, for reasons that could range from concern and outrage to covering bases and/or reviewing that situation to make sure it does not happen elsewhere. Or some combination + other things.

My next-door neighbor just graduated from Stanford (she is a former rower) and she detailed how strong the protests and messages that the student body, particularly female athletes, were sending to the administration (both overall and athletic) about the situation there. See a picture on page F2 of today's (Thursday, June 23, NY Times --Education Innovation).
There appears to be a step-change going on in the way this kind of behavior and subsequent behavior is being judged throughout the country.

So, swerving back to East Texas....This opens a lot of questions up in my mind..some of which Charlie and I have touched on:
- How are undergrads processing the news that these were not a few isolated incidents? And that there was an active/passive blind eye (or worse) in play among the institution? Do they care? Or is it overplayed? Can anyone from East Texas give an insight?

- I wonder how female athletes feel about the whole situation, from being a student, to being part of the athletic department to representing the school when their team plays on a court and/or field, particularly when they're away from Baylor? Is this bothersome, an ethical dilemma or are they segmenting their existence to focus on being a member of the team?

- Yes, there will be some (many) that will follow the football team off a cliff. But -- in my mind -- that team has forfeited being the lead voice in that athletic department for a number of years. Who now sets the example? A new AD? Other teams? Kim Mulkey -- for all her extravagances -- does not appear to be in the news for the wrong reasons. Would she become a Baylor leader(if even by default)?

As a parent of two college-aged y0ung women (one grad, one junior), a former youth coach and administrator who largely spent time with females and an obvious fan of WCBB, I find myself thinking about that situation. It could possibly be any school, but in this case it is one that is both a major football school and a force in WCBB, which makes for an interesting combination of pressure, expectations, etc, particularly in a football-enthused area.

Overall, I hope the interim school president, athletic director (when named) and coaches of the respective teams can move forward in a pro-active, positive, even redemptive manner. In the meantime, it will be interesting to see what plays out.

Given my respect for contributors here, I'd be interested in other thoughts....
 
Dillon - all good points.
My guess is ... not much will change within the community in terms of how it relates to the sports teams. I am sure the school will be more vigilant in the future, but the student body will move on rapidly - the attention span, even at Stanford will be short lived. I think we saw this at TN which had issues and we have seen it elsewhere - PSU as a community moved on very rapidly as well, and if anything became the aggrieved party with the NCAA heavy handedness.
 
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