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The issue with this controversy vs spygate is that there is no way the league can put the blame on any one person unless someone comes forward to confess or there is video evidence (no pun intended). There are 20 sets of hands that could have possibly touched those balls after an official review, so there is no way to say that it was Belicheck, Brady, the equipment manager, a 18 year old ball boy, the kicker, or even an official (Brad Johnson said he paid someone off to reduce the psi before his Superbowl appearance with Tampa) who did it. Anyone of those people could have had easy access to those balls before and during the first half of the game which makes pointing the blame at someone very hard other than the organization in general.

I have a few issues with how extreme this article is versus the Patriots. If is was such a "major violation" then why is the NFL penalty for this the equivalent of a player not wearing the proper uniform? They were going to suspend Marshawn Lynch and fine him up to $100k for ewearing gold cleats last week and the penalty for this major violation is set at just $25k. I know they may penalize the Pats more to prove a point, but that is the standard penalty currently.

I keep hearing aboutt he cold weather last Sunday, but wasnt it 50+ degrees in MA during the game which is basiclaly shorts and T shirt weather if you get that in January. Quite the opposite from the cold weather people keep referencing that made the Colts balls rock hard supposedly. And this delfation would solely be for the benefit of Brady throwing the ball and the author says it would have been tougher for Luck to throw his more inflated football. Whose to say that Luck is not like Aaron Rodgers who prefer the balls inflated to the maximum (or in Rodgers case more than the league max) level. If he likes the balls inflated more, then a deflated ball would actually have been a problem for him.

At the end fo the day Brady had a much better second half when the balls were supposedly back to normal and the Colts could not stop Blount with either ball.

And to put this on the same level as Bountygate losses all credibility. The Saints got caught red handed with audio of coaches telling players to physically injure opponents (i.e., take our Peterson by hitting him in the head) and there was proof of the money exchange for the intent to injure. This is during a time when the NFL was trying to minimize the violence because of all the head injury issues and question marks regarding the NFL's future because of it. Putting both on the same level is like trying to give the death penalty to a pick pocket.
 
51 to start, archival weather info lower at half time. So far too much inconsistent info out there. Not a Pats fan but when did so many people became members of the Flat Earth Society?
 
BHusky said:
The issue with this controversy vs spygate is that there is no way the league can put the blame on any one person unless someone comes forward to confess or there is video evidence (no pun intended). There are 20 sets of hands that could have possibly touched those balls after an official review, so there is no way to say that it was Belicheck, Brady, the equipment manager, a 18 year old ball boy, the kicker, or even an official (Brad Johnson said he paid someone off to reduce the psi before his Superbowl appearance with Tampa) who did it. Anyone of those people could have had easy access to those balls before and during the first half of the game which makes pointing the blame at someone very hard other than the organization in general.

I have a few issues with how extreme this article is versus the Patriots. If is was such a "major violation" then why is the NFL penalty for this the equivalent of a player not wearing the proper uniform? They were going to suspend Marshawn Lynch and fine him up to $100k for ewearing gold cleats last week and the penalty for this major violation is set at just $25k. I know they may penalize the Pats more to prove a point, but that is the standard penalty currently.

I keep hearing aboutt he cold weather last Sunday, but wasnt it 50+ degrees in MA during the game which is basiclaly shorts and T shirt weather if you get that in January. Quite the opposite from the cold weather people keep referencing that made the Colts balls rock hard supposedly. And this delfation would solely be for the benefit of Brady throwing the ball and the author says it would have been tougher for Luck to throw his more inflated football. Whose to say that Luck is not like Aaron Rodgers who prefer the balls inflated to the maximum (or in Rodgers case more than the league max) level. If he likes the balls inflated more, then a deflated ball would actually have been a problem for him.

At the end fo the day Brady had a much better second half when the balls were supposedly back to normal and the Colts could not stop Blount with either ball.

And to put this on the same level as Bountygate losses all credibility. The Saints got caught red handed with audio of coaches telling players to physically injure opponents (i.e., take our Peterson by hitting him in the head) and there was proof of the money exchange for the intent to injure. This is during a time when the NFL was trying to minimize the violence because of all the head injury issues and question marks regarding the NFL's future because of it. Putting both on the same level is like trying to give the death penalty to a pick pocket.
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So, after writing all of the above, you're saying you condone cheating? Because that's what I'm taking away from your post.
 
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The timing of this is PERFECT. The faux outrage will be tiresome by the end of tomorrow's news cycle, by 11pm next Sunday night all of America will join hands singing "New England, The Patriots, and We".
 
FrostyNuggets said:
The timing of this is PERFECT. The faux outrage will be tiresome by the end of tomorrow's news cycle, by 11pm next Sunday night all of America will join hands singing "New England, The Patriots, and We".
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Yeah, why put rules in place when a 'class' orginazation like the Pats can just thumb there nose at the NFL and cheat to their hearts content. Whether its needed or not.
 
Husky25 said:
Sorry Buzz, I didn't get the memo that Deadspin wasn't cool anymore.
:rolleyes:
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You do know Sega is old skool?

:-)

I didnt get the memo either by the way!
 
Duncan Idaho said:
Sure it could. Procedure, environmental changes, testing equipment and use. If done indoors just in re-inflating the balls, their temperature would be greater than RT.
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It was 45 degrees out there. It wasn't cold enough for that much of a pressure drop.
 
You know what i find funny? How tons of us UConn fans call out Patriot fans for being egotistical and self absorbed. Do you all realize that this is how all non UConn fans see us as? Of course we deny it but we live in a mixed population of fan bases and of course the Giant fans are going to call out the Pats fans and vice versa.

The Patriots and UConn basketball are actually VERY similar when it comes to perception. UConn was a doormat in the Big East until a tough gritty coach who has a shady history (don't deny this, we broke rules) took over and dominated the national scene which angered the "blue blood" old hags of the P5 conferences. The Pats were AWFUL and aside from a couple magical SB runs they were "Red Sox with helmets." Guess what happened? New coach with questionable ethics dominates a league and runs over NFL royalty. I'm not saying their innocent or guilty but i just find it comical seeing the similarities in our fan bases.
 
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FartMan69 said:
You know what i find funny? How tons of us UConn fans call out Patriot fans for being egotistical and self absorbed. Do you all realize that this is how all non UConn fans see us as? Of course we deny it but we live in a mixed population of fan bases and of course the Giant fans are going to call out the Pats fans and vice versa.

The Patriots and UConn basketball are actually VERY similar when it comes to perception. UConn was a doormat in the Big East until a tough gritty coach who has a shady history (don't deny this, we broke rules) took over and dominated the national scene which angered the "blue blood" old hags of the P5 conferences. The Pats were AWFUL and aside from a couple magical SB runs they were "Red Sox with helmets." Guess what happened? New coach with questionable ethics dominates a league and runs over NFL royalty. I'm not saying their innocent or guilty but i just find it comical seeing the similarities in our fan bases.
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UCONN is saintly. How dare you! :rolleyes:
 
Stairmaster said:
UCONN is saintly. How dare you! :rolleyes:
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Lol i know I'm going to take heat for that one. It's beyond true though, right now I'm just waiting for The Giants fans to come and deny all of Calhoun's discretions just to strengthen their argument against the Pats.
 
Nostical said:
So Bill Belichick said to his ball boy --let the air out of all the balls. It's so preposterous as to be laughable. There are no secrets, as TMZ's money has shown. I say the balls were inflated to the lowest permissible psi (as Brady prefers) and the cold reduced them further. The Colts psi was at the highest point so they deflated less and within the norm. That's your answer to the mystery.
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Reasonable guess that's certainly requires less assumptions that the majority of the conspiracy theories that are being posted here.
 
DefCONNOne said:
Yeah, why put rules in place when a 'class' orginazation like the Pats can just thumb there nose at the NFL and cheat to their hearts content. Whether its needed or not.
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Whether what's needed or not? This makes no sense.


PS, it's *their nose at the NFL, and cheat *till their heart's content.
 
DefCONNOne said:
So, after writing all of the above, you're saying you condone cheating? Because that's what I'm taking away from your post.
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Not at all. I just pointed out that regardless of if they cheated or not by deflating the balls, the NFL will never got someone within the Pats organization to identify who did it. Without an identifiable party they can put the guilt on, this will just be a giant question mark and speculation.

Other than that the columnist just made some points that did not make sense to me. It was not cold last Sunday (especially for January in MA), who knows how Luck likes the feel of his footballs and Brady was much better in the second half with the normal psi balls. Those where the arguments made for why the Pats may have won the game and I disagree. It is not right to break the rules, but some of these people are creating a mountain out of a mole hill with these opinions of a 1 year ban, $1M fine, etc. That is crazy, especially when the documented fine now is just $25k.
 
BHusky said:
Not at all. I just pointed out that regardless of if they cheated or not by deflating the balls, the NFL will never got someone within the Pats organization to identify who did it. Without an identifiable party they can put the guilt on, this will just be a giant question mark and speculation.

Other than that the columnist just made some points that did not make sense to me. It was not cold last Sunday (especially for January in MA), who knows how Luck likes the feel of his footballs and Brady was much better in the second half with the normal psi balls. Those where the arguments made for why the Pats may have won the game and I disagree. It is not right to break the rules, but some of these people are creating a mountain out of a mole hill with these opinions of a 1 year ban, $1M fine, etc. That is crazy, especially when the documented fine now is just $25k.
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Some people have been suggesting the following:

$1 million fine
Super Bowl ban
Losing multiple 1st round picks
BB + TB suspension

Seriously...I think everyone has lost their %$^#ing minds
 
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1999.2004.2011 said:
Some people have been suggesting the following:

$1 million fine
Super Bowl ban
Losing multiple 1st round picks
BB + TB suspension

Seriously...I think everyone has lost their %$^#ing minds
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I've also heard BB firing. Won't be surprised if some hooligans start suggesting TB gets released and blacklisted by the rest of the league.
 
My guess is they determine that the balls were not up to spec, however because they can't pin it on the Patriots with anything substantial, the only repercussion is a tweak in the rules. My guess is the refs didn't perform a thorough approval process and are culpable, but immune because the NFL already pardoned them and the whole integrity of the game thing...
 
Another thing I've noticed. Most reasonable people agree that the balls had no affect on the outcome of the game, they are complaining about the Patriots jeopardizing the NFL's Integrity. Yet most people here are hoping all of the accusations are true which would damage the integrity of the game. So in reality all most people don't actually care about the integrity but rather wanting to see the franchise go down in flames.
 
Fishy said:
Patriots fans are the touchiest kids on earth.

They got caught dead to rights. They own it.
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You could replace Patriots with UConn... how do you feel now?
 
BHusky said:
And this deflation would solely be for the benefit of Brady throwing the ball and the author says it would have been tougher for Luck to throw his more inflated football. Whose to say that Luck is not like Aaron Rodgers who prefer the balls inflated to the maximum (or in Rodgers case more than the league max) level. If he likes the balls inflated more, then a deflated ball would actually have been a problem for him.
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Luck gets to play with his OWN balls. Not Brady's. Further evidence of how screwed up the NFL is.
 
J187Money said:
It was 45 degrees out there. It wasn't cold enough for that much of a pressure drop.
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That's not my point. If the balls were inflated to the lowest 12.5 psi (like Brady likes them),----but were done so in a very warm room----then they would deflate more when brought into a 45 degree outdoor environment. No needles, no one tampering. Just fill the balls in a hot room and watch the psi drop when outside. That's not cheating. It would be ingenious!
 
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Nostical said:
That's not my point. If the balls were inflated to the lowest 12.5 psi (like Brady likes them),----but were done so in a very warm room----then they would deflate more when brought into a 45 degree outdoor environment. No needles, no one tampering. Just fill the balls in a hot room and watch the psi drop when outside. That's not cheating. It would be ingenious!
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Well, I would think/hope they did the pressure check indoors after letting the balls warm back up, in which case the pressure should have gone back up.
 
I can't even imagine "investigators" being able to keep a straight face when interrogating people about deflated footballs.
 
DefCONNOne said:
Yeah, why put rules in place when a 'class' orginazation like the Pats can just thumb there nose at the NFL and cheat to their hearts content. Whether its needed or not.
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Blame the refs if they were under-inflated... they were supposed to check them. They get lots of $$ to ref games, and that was part of their job.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Blame the refs if they were under-inflated... they were supposed to check them. They get lots of $$ to ref games, and that was part of their job.
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LOL half the NFL's problems could be solved by making officals full time employees instead of having accountants and stock brokers calling games in their free time.
 
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