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Sorry Buzz, I didn't get the memo that Deadspin wasn't cool anymore.
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ConnHuskBask said:
The one thing that makes me laugh in all of this is how NE fans claim they are being targeted by the league, the NFL and legions of "haters" because they win and everyone is jealous.

I'm a Giant fan, so yeah, not quite.

People hate the Pats because they portray themselves as this pristine, 'classy' dynasty doing things the 'Patriot way' when in reality they are proven cheaters, the owner is a and they haven't won a title in a decade.

Just an all around pretty funny situation involving air pressure and a fan base grasping for straws.
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I've never heard them portray themselves at pristine/classy nor the "patriot way". I'm not even a fan, and I've never heard this.
 
You know, why don't they just disband the franchise and hold a dispersal draft for the other 31 teams? I feel like that would satisfy most people here :rolleyes:
 
Fishy said:
Patriots fans are the touchiest kids on earth.e

They got caught dead to rights. They own it.
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1) the investigation from the league hasn't even come out yet, so a rational assessment can't be made. There are security cameras and tv cameras everywhere. It's only the 1-2 hours before kickoff that need to be monitored plus the 1st half of the game. If the patriots intentially let air out of all those balls, then they will have some sort of evidence of it.

2) there are numerous reports from both players and head coaches that the rules for doctoring footballs arent followed. Other leagues do the same thing. For example, a basketball player who takes 3 or 4 steps and scores should be called for a travel according to the rule book, but it is not enforced and coaches and teams don't complain about a loss because a guy took two steps and a jump stop before hitting a game winning shot.

So step 1 is to prove that the Patriots intentially deflated the balls and step two is to figure out if this is a rule that is actually enforced. It could be a rule similar to how the traveling rule is not enforced.

Neither of these steps were taken before reporting the story because all the media wants is page views. What has leaked out since this time is that the rule for doctoring footballs in not enforced according to the current head coaches in the league and quarterbacks present and past.

There is also a precedent this season for the league to not punish tampering with footballs. I'm sure you are aware of the cold game where the balls were being heated up in full view of the cameras. The reason there was no punishment is because the league changed its rules about treating footballs and also allows teams to go beyond what the rules state because it helps offenses score more points. This is additional proof that the league looks at how teams prepare their balls as the nba does traveling. The rules are allowed to be broken to benefit the league and they haven't officially changed the rules, but it's clear to everyone (or almost everyone) what is actually allowed.
 
ZooCougar said:
What's the penalty for discovering that balls are not inflated correctly during a game? Not apples to apples.
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Would the penalty for discovering the ball was underinflated be assessed against the Colts or the refs?
 
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Sportsman5 said:
"rational assessment can't be made" QUOTE]

OK wait a second here! There has been a lot of trashing talking, name calling, and even a challenge or two to meet out in the parking lot to settle a dispute; but accusing people of making a rational assessment on this board is a step to far. If everyone had the ability to make a rational assessment, there would be no Boneyard!:D
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A fine and a pick like a fourth round. That is my call as the NFL wants this over with before next week
 
The NFL is just plain stupid.

Fairly clear that there was some sort of shenanigans, but if they slam the Patriots now, they set up an ugly story line for next week.

If they continue their investigation, for whatever that means, past the Super Bowl, they set up an ugly story line for next week.

What they should have done....was bury the thing with some phony story and a small fine two days ago. Say it was an error. Say the wrong balls were used. Say that a mouse was in the ball box and he f---ed the balls with his lil mouse wiener and bled two pounds of air out in the process. Whatever.

There would have been a commotion for a day and then you would have heard it at the Pats' pressers, but it would have settled fast.
 
The fact that they haven't interviewed Brady yet makes you wonder what the duckk these investigators are doing.

And it also sheds a lot of light on how they botched the Ray Rice thing so badly.
 
formerlurker said:
I'm even more embarrassed to post a bleacher report link but this "article" is spot on.

I'm a Giants fan and I'd rather us kicking their as^es in big games be their black mark, not +/- a few psi in the football, so I'm not trying to pile on here.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2339195-is-the-nfl-going-to-let-brady-and-belichick-play-it-for-a-fool
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This is the worst piece of "journalism" I have ever read. This guy should be ashamed for assembling this piece of garbage.
 
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So Bill Belichick said to his ball boy --let the air out of all the balls. It's so preposterous as to be laughable. There are no secrets, as TMZ's money has shown. I say the balls were inflated to the lowest permissible psi (as Brady prefers) and the cold reduced them further. The Colts psi was at the highest point so they deflated less and within the norm. That's your answer to the mystery.
 
Stairmaster said:
You know, why don't they just disband the franchise and hold a dispersal draft for the other 31 teams? I feel like that would satisfy most people here :rolleyes:
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Brady would be about the 10th pick I would assume -
Gronk
Revis
Browner
McCourty
and others would go ahead of him.

Tom looked a bit shaky during that presser yesterday - not the calm, cool, confident character I am used to seeing. This seems to be stinging the Pats...
 
If the officials tested the footballs indoors at room temp 2+ hrs before game then retested on the field or not allowed them to come up to RT prior to retesting knowing Brady likes them at league min pressure then the NFL is dopier than I thought.
 
Wonderful imagery, Fishy. And to your point the NFL doesn't seem to know crap about PR. Be swift, decisive, own the narrative and move on (oh, and get it right, or the above is all for naught).
 
UConn990411 said:
The fact that they haven't interviewed Brady yet makes you wonder what the duckk these investigators are doing.

And it also sheds a lot of light on how they botched the Ray Rice thing so badly.
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I'm thinking that the reason why the NFL hasn't approached the Pats yet is because the NFL is realizing that the NFL needs to get its schitt together first. I find it entirely believable that referees don't stick a needle in every game ball making it impossible for the NFL to find any tampering in the chain of custody. When you can't determine a fixed point in time when the balls were verified in compliance, it kinda kills the rest of the investigation.

Complacency and indifference to policy cost billions of dollars in productivity across every industry.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I'm thinking that the reason why the NFL hasn't approached the Pats yet is because the NFL is realizing that the NFL needs to get its schitt together first. I find it entirely believable that referees don't stick a needle in every game ball making it impossible for the NFL to find any tampering in the chain of custody. When you can't determine a fixed point in time when the balls were verified in compliance, it kinda kills the rest of the investigation.

Complacency and indifference to policy cost billions of dollars in productivity across every industry.
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So having no experience in the industry, you are assuming that refs don't check every ball. Aren't you doing the same thing that you accused me of doing?

Also, if you don't think that BB knows what Brady's ball preferences are or that Brady had zero to do with the deflation then.... well you can pick your favoirte cliche to complete the sentence.
 
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Nostical said:
So Bill Belichick said to his ball boy --let the air out of all the balls. It's so preposterous as to be laughable. There are no secrets, as TMZ's money has shown. I say the balls were inflated to the lowest permissible psi (as Brady prefers) and the cold reduced them further. The Colts psi was at the highest point so they deflated less and within the norm. That's your answer to the mystery.
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Doesn't jive scientifically. Still wouldn't be enough to make them drop that far.
 
ZooCougar said:
So having no experience in the industry, you are assuming that refs don't check every ball. Aren't you doing the same thing that you accused me of doing?

Also, if you don't think that BB knows what Brady's ball preferences are or that Brady had zero to do with the deflation then.... well you can pick your favoirte cliche to complete the sentence.
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Fair enough. I cold have said "I'm guessing" or "I have a hunch" instead of "I'm thinking". I do have experience in other industries that investigate mishaps or activities and non-compliance due to indifferene and complacency almost always factors in to the equation.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I'm thinking that the reason why the NFL hasn't approached the Pats yet is because the NFL is realizing that the NFL needs to get its schitt together first. I find it entirely believable that referees don't stick a needle in every game ball making it impossible for the NFL to find any tampering in the chain of custody. When you can't determine a fixed point in time when the balls were verified in compliance, it kinda kills the rest of the investigation.

Complacency and indifference to policy cost billions of dollars in productivity across every industry.
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The NFL was too quick in exonerating the refs, but imagine the integrity of the game charges if it came out that the refs didn't check the pressure and there was an incongruity between the pressure gauges? I consider the refs in this case to play the part of a police officer in a criminal case. I have been voir dired twice in my life and in both cases they first question the prosecuting attorney asked me is if I believe cops can make mistakes or always tell the truth. Obviously the answer is yes and no to those questions, respectively. They are human. So are referees. But what's in it for them to lie? It's not to set up the Patriots per se, but it's to deflect blame for not doing their job entirely. The officials are "All-Star" crews who don't work together in the regular season. It is just as possible for something to fall through the cracks (probably more) as it is for a rogue ball boy to stick a pin in the ball.

I also think there is a chance that when Peter King reported that the NFL was appalled earlier in the week, they could have been referring to the whistleblower. There is a possibility the NFL thinks this is akin to a baseball player rubbing out the back line of the batters box to get 4 additional inches to see the ball and make a decision to swing. It's a largely unenforced rule and an unenforced rule is no rule. Now the NFL is are retroactively trying to piece together their defense. I think the reason the NFL hasn't made anything officially public is because at the end of the day, the burden of proof is on the league and the evidence is far too circumstantial to formally punish the Patriots.
 
NFL should take a draft pick or two or better yet, decrease their cap. Need to turn the page quickly. But I kind of hope it drags on and on and on. This is like the most interesting thing that happened in the NFL all season.
 
ZooCougar said:
Doesn't jive scientifically. Still wouldn't be enough to make them drop that far.
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Sure it could. Procedure, environmental changes, testing equipment and use. If done indoors just in re-inflating the balls, their temperature would be greater than RT.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Fair enough. I cold have said "I'm guessing" or "I have a hunch" instead of "I'm thinking". I do have experience in other industries that investigate mishaps or activities and non-compliance due to indifferene and complacency almost always factors in to the equation.
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Yes, and most of us have experiences with bosses and CEOs and know that they have a pretty good knowledge of the preferences and tendencies of their top performers.
 
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ZooCougar said:
NFL should take a draft pick or two or better yet, decrease their cap. Need to turn the page quickly. But I kind of hope it drags on and on and on. This is like the most interesting thing that happened in the NFL all season.
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Really? The Ray Rice scandal isn't interesting? The Peterson case didn't hold your attention? That stuff affects the lives of others. This is a football game. The two press conferences yesterday were shams of the journalistic process.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
Sure it could. Procedure, environmental changes, testing equipment and use. If done indoors just in re-inflating the balls, their temperature would be greater than RT.
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It might be true if we were talking about a bigger item like a car tire. Not so with a football, two psi is too much.
 
Husky25 said:
Really? The Ray Rice scandal isn't interesting? The Peterson case didn't hold your attention? That stuff affects the lives of others. This is a football game. The two press conferences yesterday were shams of the journalistic process.
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No the Ray Rice thing was sad.
 
1999.2004.2011 said:
This is the worst piece of "journalism" I have ever read. This guy should be ashamed for assembling this piece of garbage.
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The idea that a ball boy on the sidelines twelve times (11 1/2?) reached into the bag, found the pin and let the air out of a ball without it being pretty obvious he was up to something is pretty silly. Having leaked so much information on the Patriots' guilt the NFL can't backtrack now but they also can't build a case that shows how it was done. This will probably go on for weeks.
 
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