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huskiesouth said:
Agree. Think Moses Malone and (I hate to write this) Barkley - neither had any vertical leap.
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So we are now comparing DHam to two basketball legends.
 
TollandUconn said:
Stock Watch: Winners and losers of the 2016 NBA Draft Combine - CBSSports.com

Daniel Hamilton | SG | Connecticut
Hamilton has hired an agent, which means he's in the draft. You have to wonder if he'll regret that decision, after he was one of the worst players in the 5-on-5 session and one of the worst athletes in testing. Hamilton only had a 29-inch vertical leap as well as some of the worst agility scores for a perimeter player. In the game, those things came to a head as he couldn't blow by anyone or create his own offense. Add relatively poor shooting and lackluster defense, and it's hard to see how he gets drafted at this point.
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Damn. You gotta wonder how the office visit went with KO:

Hammy: Coach, I think its time for me to go to the League. Been thinking about it between my class...err...classes. I think its time. I think.

Coach: Okay. [feels a vibration in his pants] Excuse me, I gotta take this...

Hammy: [Looks down....leaves. Looks back, sees Coach waving).]

I still think he has an NBA Contract in his future. May be going the Lamb route.
 
Dove said:
Damn. You gotta wonder how the office visit went with KO:

Hammy: Coach, I think its time for me to to the League. Been thinking about it between my class...err...classes. I think its time.

Coach: Okay. [feels a vibration in his pants] Excuse me, I gotta take this...

Hammy: [Looks down....leaves.]

I still think he has an NBA Contract in his future. May be going the Lamb route.
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Lamb was a lottery pick, its much easier to get a 2nd deal like Lamb did when you already got the first one and have played stretches where you showed potential. There really isn't much of a comparison b/w Lamb and DHam's upcoming situation at all. Besides that Lamb is a much better player, at the time Lamb entered the draft in 2012 Lamb charted as one of the most effecient 2P shooters in DraftExpress's database, we all know that is the exact opposite of what DHam was as a player.
 
Lol what ace said.... Lamb was the eleventh pick. He should of left. Dham is second round to undrafted.

Have we ever have a guy leave early and go super late? Ater Majok
 
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upstater said:
I don't care what his vertical leap is. If you have a nose for the ball and know how to rebound by highpointing it, that means more.
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Sure. But vertical leap can prove to be important when trying to finish at the hoop in traffic -- which is something Hamilton struggled with (a lot) in college.
 
huskiesouth said:
Agree. Think Moses Malone and (I hate to write this) Barkley - neither had any vertical leap.
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Is this a joke? These guys are the definition of anomaly and only a fool would use Malone and Barkley to say Hamilton may have a decent NBA career. I honestly can't stop laughing at this.
 
blue93 said:
I don't think what he's saying is that ridiculous. Would we be a better team next year if DHam came back? I think we definitely would be. But we may be better off in the long run, just have to wait and see.

Would we have been a better team during the post season ban year if nobody transferred? Probably, but it allowed our NC contributors to develop in a year that didn't really matter. Who knows if we win in 2014 if the guys who left, didn't.

Long story, short: Next man up.
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What he's saying is ridiculous. He's not sure if we're better off having Hamilton come back or not, when as you pointed we definitely would be most of the time.

Sure, the scenario where Hamilton leaves and all the necessary moving parts fall into place and we're a better team down the line because of the additional experience will occur some small percentage of time. The scenario where the freshman get thrown into the fire too soon and lose confidence and never become they players they are capable of will also happen some small percentage of the time. What will happen the huge majority of the time is we will replace a junior year Daniel Hamilton with a player(s) that is not as productive, and we won't be as good a team.

Again, we're literally debating whether or not it would be better for us to have the junior year version of a player who put up 32, 12, & 8 while playing 55 minutes in the 4 OT game against Cincinnati. It's totally ridiculous.
 
huskiesouth said:
Agree. Think Moses Malone and (I hate to write this) Barkley - neither had any vertical leap.
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Those were two strong, wide bodies who can move a man off his spot to get a rebound. DHam is probably as extreme an example as being on the other end of the spectrum as you can get.
 
I'm with 7774 here. I wasn't the biggest fan of D-Ham's game, but he had the chance to be really good as a junior.
 
We would definitely be a better team with Hamilton on the floor next year. Whether he gets drafted or not has zero impact on his value as a college player. You can't take away his numbers and experience, replace it with Freshmen and a sophomore transfer, and logically think we will be better.
However, as a sum of it's parts type of thing, I'm wondering if our offensive execution might be a little more fluid next year without Hamilton and Gibbs on the floor at the same time. Fewer late shot clock circus shots would be nice.
Still hoping Hamilton manages to get a back door into the draft.
 
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Burnsbros23 said:
Lol what ace said.... Lamb was the eleventh pick. He should of left. Dham is second round to undrafted.

Have we ever have a guy leave early and go super late? Ater Majok
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I think Majok left for other reasons besides just trying to get into the NBA.

El-Amin was the 5th pick in the second round and DeAndre Daniels was the 7th pick in the second round. Those are the only ones I can think of off hand that entered the draft early and weren't first round picks.
 
DraftExpress panned his preform acne at the combine and that hiring his agent hasn't done him any favors.

I feel awful for the kid. Yeah, we all want UConn to be great next year. But this is the kid's livelihood. I'm pretty sure he didn't envision himself going undrafted and going to Europe a month ago. I hope some luck finds its way to DHam soon.
 
UConnStats said:
I feel awful for the kid. Yeah, we all want UConn to be great next year. But this is the kid's livelihood. I'm pretty sure he didn't envision himself going undrafted and going to Europe a month ago. I hope some luck finds its way to DHam soon.
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If he didn't envision himself possibly going undrafted, then he got some pretty horrific advice. To be honest, this combine performance is more a confirmation of what we already knew than a shocking outlier that tanks his stock. He was always a reach in this draft -- maybe 2nd round was plausible, but 1st round was never going to happen.

The way the NBA works these days, the difference between 2nd round and undrafted isn't so great anyway.

That said, I hope for Hamilton's own sake and for the sake of our program's reputation he finds his way into this draft somehow. It would be a huge embarrassment to declare, sign with an agent immediately, and then go undrafted.
 
UConnStats said:
DraftExpress panned his preform acne at the combine and that hiring his agent hasn't done him any favors.

I feel awful for the kid. Yeah, we all want UConn to be great next year. But this is the kid's livelihood. I'm pretty sure he didn't envision himself going undrafted and going to Europe a month ago. I hope some luck finds its way to DHam soon.
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autocorrect is a hell of a drug.
 
80shusky said:
However, as a sum of it's parts type of thing, I'm wondering if our offensive execution might be a little more fluid next year without Hamilton and Gibbs on the floor at the same time. Fewer late shot clock circus shots would be nice.
Still hoping Hamilton manages to get a back door into the draft.
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I think that some teams are hurt when their players are too similar in weaker areas as opposed to being more complementary with each other. Many would agree that the Husky offense was not at its best when Daniel was trying to become "the guy." Ball movement stopped while he was dribbling and trying to find a way to penetrate inside. This was similar to the "over-dribbling" that we saw from Sterling.

Another issue affecting DHam's fit on the team was the inconsistency in being solid with the ball that we also saw with Rodney. Too many turnovers and questionable/poor decisions, and missed bunnies limited how good last year's team could be. Daniel would have been an asset next year in general, but I think he would have been best if he stopped trying to be the guy the offense ran through and looked for his offense in the flow of the game rather than forcing it.

It is certainly likely that our freshman will make a lot of mistakes, but hopefully with 2 real PG's running the show, the offense will be more dynamic and not so easy to defend. I'm hoping that the pieces will come to fit together pretty well and we will see some exciting growth over the course of the year.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
If he didn't envision himself possibly going undrafted, then he got some pretty horrific advice. To be honest, this combine performance is more a confirmation of what we already knew than a shocking outlier that tanks his stock. He was always a reach in this draft -- maybe 2nd round was plausible, but 1st round was never going to happen.

The way the NBA works these days, the difference between 2nd round and undrafted isn't so great anyway.

That said, I hope for Hamilton's own sake and for the sake of our program's reputation he finds his way into this draft somehow. It would be a huge embarrassment to declare, sign with an agent immediately, and then go undrafted.
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It does nothing to the program, there are multiple examples of DHam's every single year, what he did and his eventual outcome aren't anything out of the ordinary. I also don't think he got really bad advice, it just seems like dude didn't want to play in college anymore. Neither him nor his brother are anything special as NBA prospects, but his brother had a much better year scoring and shooting wise, yet he never even entertained the draft process and he's a year older. I don't think someone told him you're not getting drafted but told DHam he was a definite first rounder, DHam just decided to take the leap and be done with it.
 
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Trying to find something positive in this mess. If he goes undrafted at least he may have more chance to connect with a team that is the better fit for his game. Daniels may have been better off taking that route.
 
Chief00 said:
Trying to find something positive in this mess. If he goes undrafted at least he may have more chance to connect with a team that is the better fit for his game. Daniels may have been better off taking that route.
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Daniels would have been better off without injuries.
 
Chief00 said:
Trying to find something positive in this mess. If he goes undrafted at least he may have more chance to connect with a team that is the better fit for his game. Daniels may have been better off taking that route.
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Isn't the theory that it is better to go undrafted than be a 2nd round pick? This is a sad scenario all-around, but is anyone actually surprised? DHam is talented, but he lacks in some unbelievably crucial areas (athleticism, handle, shooting) that would potentially make him look totally out of place against better athletes/similar talent. Hell, there were times during the last two years where this was evident, too.
 
D-Ham in the postseason: 18.2 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 4.4 APG on 39/30/83 splits (6 free throw attempts per game), 1.4 TO/G

Yes, the team struggled for most of the season, and D-Ham was a major reason why. But they also kind of put it together down the stretch, and it was clear D-Ham was making a leap.

I tend to think some people are rationalizing their optimism for next years team by emphasizing his periods of poor play. I don't see it that way - he was inefficient, yes, but he was inefficient in a way that could be managed, and most importantly, supported by a great defense.
 
BUHusky10 said:
Is this a joke? These guys are the definition of anomaly and only a fool would use Malone and Barkley to say Hamilton may have a decent NBA career. I honestly can't stop laughing at this.
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My post was directed solely at the idea that a player with poor vertical leap cannot rebound is not universally accurate.

But I am glad to bring some humor into your life - that alone made my day
 
champs99and04 said:
D-Ham in the postseason: 18.2 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 4.4 APG on 39/30/83 splits (6 free throw attempts per game), 1.4 TO/G

Yes, the team struggled for most of the season, and D-Ham was a major reason why. But they also kind of put it together down the stretch, and it was clear D-Ham was making a leap.

I tend to think some people are rationalizing their optimism for next years team by emphasizing his periods of poor play. I don't see it that way - he was inefficient, yes, but he was inefficient in a way that could be managed, and most importantly, supported by a great defense.
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He is not coming back ,so dwelling on what he did or might do in the future is insane.
Move on this guy is history.From a UConn team perspective a not so glorious history.
We don't accept 2rd round blowouts and certainly not NIT a memorable
Good Luck to him in his future endeavors however we have 2016-2017 team shaping up which is my chief concern,
I personally think we will be pretty good , maybe even very good by late 2017
We will see
The proof of the pudding is in the eating
 
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7774 said:
What he's saying is ridiculous. He's not sure if we're better off having Hamilton come back or not, when as you pointed we definitely would be most of the time.

Sure, the scenario where Hamilton leaves and all the necessary moving parts fall into place and we're a better team down the line because of the additional experience will occur some small percentage of time. The scenario where the freshman get thrown into the fire too soon and lose confidence and never become they players they are capable of will also happen some small percentage of the time. What will happen the huge majority of the time is we will replace a junior year Daniel Hamilton with a player(s) that is not as productive, and we won't be as good a team.

Again, we're literally debating whether or not it would be better for us to have the junior year version of a player who put up 32, 12, & 8 while playing 55 minutes in the 4 OT game against Cincinnati. It's totally ridiculous.
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Again would we actually be better next year with him? - yes more than likely

In love with yourself too much FF? Read the text AWipe. It's there for for you s smart as you are!

Now explain how you can be so stupid? Please try AW?

Too precio-us you're such an a**!@
 
PeterSanDiego said:
Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 1m1 minute ago
One guy numerous NBA executives said made a mistake signing with an agent— Daniel Hamilton. Should have gone back to UConn for another year.
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The only thing worse than the outcome itself is having to imagine Goodman's ugly, smug face as he was writing this. He's taken pleasure in tting on Hamilton since he was in high school.
 
mauconnfan said:
Again would we actually be better next year with him? - yes more than likely

In love with yourself too much FF? Read the text AWipe. It's there for for you s smart as you are!

Now explain how you can be so stupid? Please try AW?

Too precio-us you're such an a**!@
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It is simple. If he doesn't understand an opinion, it must be a stupid opinion made by a stupid person. It can't possibly be that he is too stupid to understand it.
 
Goodman's a baffoon but I mean that's what posters around here predicted, right? He didn't want to stay another year so I don't think he'll have many regrets.
 
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