B1G Ramblings

[Chin Diesel]

College soccer titles are far more impressive than splitting a fencing title.

Context matters.

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College soccer is aa meaningless as college fencing.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Does anyone even read the posts that led to the comments?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The line in red is what sterted this:

IndyStar sends SEC warning on the Big Ten after Hoosiers' rise to CFB overlord

The Indiana Hoosiers showed the power that's lying underneath the surface for many Big Ten programs as the power balance in College Football continues to shift

flywareagle.com

The Indianapolis Star's Zach Osterman believes what the Hoosiers just did, going 15-0 en route to the CFP title game, dominating the SEC's Alabama Crimson Tide in the Rose Bowl and the B1G's Oregon Ducks in the Peach Bowl, is replicable across the Big Ten.

Osterman cited alumni bases from each school operating in big cities across America's biggest cities for why just about any Big Ten school could become the next Indiana at any point in the next few years.

"The Hoosiers’ rise under Curt Cignetti traces its origins to so many root causes it’s not worth rehashing them all here," Osterman prefaced before saying, "What’s not lost on the league office is the extent to which this can be replicable elsewhere. That with the right people in charge, adequate resources around them and a sustainable long-term strategy, this kind of success can be repeated across the Big Ten.

"In the NIL-plus-rev-share era, a conference composed of large state institutions with robust alumni bases grounded in lucrative industries across many if not most of America’s major cities has more than just one sleeping giant.

"The way IU fans took over the Rose and Peach bowls across the Hoosiers’ first two games in this year’s playoff should open the eyes of programs elsewhere in the league. This is what pure football activation can look like."

Here was my response:

What Indiana is doing may be replicable for most members of the B1G. Rutgers however would never be capable of winning at even an insignificant level, much less at the highest level in the most valuable sport.

Hank then decided to chime in:

You'd have said the same thing about Indiana a year ago.

I then ressponded, which is where @JwittersPAC and @Chin Diesel appear to believe the back and forth began:

Indiana has multiple national titles in men's hoops and was at one time a very formidable men's soccer program.

Again, context matters.

 

[ZooCougar]

After the fall sports season, the West Coast B1G schools are once again winning lots of conference championships. Travel impacts have thus far been minimal for performance outcomes.

Men's Cross Country - Oregon
Women's Cross Country - Oregon
Women's Soccer Regular Season - Washington; Tournament - Washington
Men's Soccer Regular Season - Maryland; Tournament - UCLA; National Champions - Washington
Field Hockey Regular Season - Northwestern; Tournament - Northwestern; National Champions - Northwestern
Women's Volleyball - Nebraska
Football - Indiana; CFP Playoffs - Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon; National Champions - Indiana

 

[CL82]

I agree basketball championships mean something. But college soccer.. come on.

On the other hand, we have gotten no conference offers since our last soccer national championship. Coincidence? I think not!

 

[CL82]

The line in red is what sterted this:


Here was my response:


Hank then decided to chime in:


I then ressponded, which is where @JwittersPAC and @Chin Diesel appear to believe the back and forth began:


Again, context matters.

@Chin Diesel has been picking up a few third man in penalties lately. Agreed that if you're going to hop in and one of these back-and-forth, you take a minute to learn the context.

 

[ZooCougar]

pickle ball matters more than college soccer

 

[Rufus]

You cared enough to read and post on a thread that is literally called B1G Ramblings. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

 

[Husky68]

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College soccer is aa meaningless as college fencing.

Hey, my wife got a fencing letter from Fairleigh Dickinson and never lets us forget she is the only member of the family with a college athletic letter. I'm careful around her when she has something sharp in her hand.

 

[AllHusky]

University of Vermont won a soccer title. I will leave it at that.

I’ll see you and raise you, how many SEC schools of the 14 play men’s soccer? I will leave it at that!

 

[JwittersPAC]

I’ll see you and raise you, how many SEC schools of the 14 play men’s soccer? I will leave it at that!

Only two SEC schools play men’s Division 1 soccer- SC and Kentucky. So not sure what you’re raising. 1/3 of the players in college are not even from US- washed up foreign players. College Soccer is a nothing burger.

 

[ZooCougar]

Only two SEC schools play men’s Division 1 soccer- SC and Kentucky. So not sure what you’re raising. 1/3 of the players in college are not even from US- washed up foreign players. College Soccer is a nothing burger.

College soccer isn’t even a big deal in the soccer world. It’s a total waste of money.

 

[WrenchFan69]

College soccer isn’t even a big deal in the soccer world. It’s a total waste of money.

I imagine a lot of schools will drop it when the NCAA lowers its D1 minimum for sponsored sports.

 

[CL82]

I imagine a lot of schools will drop it when the NCAA lowers its D1 minimum for sponsored sports.

Well, they'll probably drop men's college soccer, but women's college soccer creates an awful lot of offset scholarships for football.

 

[WrenchFan69]

Well, they'll probably drop men's college soccer, but women's college soccer creates an awful lot of offset scholarships for football.

I don't ever consider women's sports outside basketball when thinking about the existential questions of college sports. They will exist as long as they are required as an offset.

 

[JwittersPAC]

I don't ever consider women's sports outside basketball when thinking about the existential questions of college sports. They will exist as long as they are required as an offset.

Women’s college sports of volleyball and softball are pretty popular as well and getting more popular.

 

[Kolumbo]

I imagine a lot of schools will drop it when the NCAA lowers its D1 minimum for sponsored sports.

More kids grow up playing the beautiful game than any other sport (I think) and it's a great way for top players to get a free education. Granted it may not mean much in terms of value like football and basketball but it's still a great NCAA sport. If the B1G sponsors soccer (they could use a 12th program), soccer isn't going anywhere. And surely it's a lot less expensive to run than most other sports because there is no expensive equipment. A pair of boots and a ball.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

More kids grow up playing the beautiful game than any other sport (I think) and it's a great way for top players to get a free education. Granted it may not mean much in terms of value like football and basketball but it's still a great NCAA sport. If the B1G sponsors soccer (they could use a 12th program), soccer isn't going anywhere. And surely it's a lot less expensive to run than most other sports because there is no expensive equipment. A pair of boots and a ball.

And I'd imagine the average University donation from a soccer family is higher than average. Athletic departments are more than just a simple operating budget - they're a marketing arm, a driver of endowments, etc.

 

[JwittersPAC]

More kids grow up playing the beautiful game than any other sport (I think) and it's a great way for top players to get a free education. Granted it may not mean much in terms of value like football and basketball but it's still a great NCAA sport. If the B1G sponsors soccer (they could use a 12th program), soccer isn't going anywhere. And surely it's a lot less expensive to run than most other sports because there is no expensive equipment. A pair of boots and a ball.

If you are superstar soccer player you are not playing college soccer.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If you are superstar soccer player you are not playing college soccer.

Correct, but college soccer isn't about superstars and has never really been.

 

[JwittersPAC]

Correct, but college soccer isn't about superstars and has never really been.

Men’s soccer should be a club sport. I think you will find out in the future actual students at colleges will get tired paying for non-revenue sports via student fees.

 

[JwittersPAC]

Correct, but college soccer isn't about superstars and has never really been.

Kolumbo commented about top players playing college soccer. I was just pointed out that is not true,

 

[Rdkid]

And I'd imagine the average University donation from a soccer family is higher than average. Athletic departments are more than just a simple operating budget - they're a marketing arm, a driver of endowments, etc.

No better example than Rizza and UConn. Way bigger single donor than any b-ball alumni. That plus attendance and history means men’s program not going anywhere, haters. A particularly unselfish and generous donation that benefits softball and baseball.

 

[Kolumbo]

If you are superstar soccer player you are not playing college soccer.

Excellent high school soccer players can get a schollie and go on to become doctors and lawyers and investment bankers. Just like in all the other olympic sports.

 

[Rdkid]

If you are superstar soccer player you are not playing college soccer.

That is true for what, 99% of D1 athletes? A superstar by this definition is anyone not playing professionally or getting paid. Hell, most non-revs are not getting full scholarships. For many kids, the dream is to play D1. Don’t crap on that.
And UConn has guys drafted into the pros yearly. I’m not a big soccer follower at any level, btw. And I remember when UConn sucked at most everything but soccer. Just not interested in having colleges be miserly around opportunity in non-rev sports. If D1 becomes only revenue sports at revenue schools, I’m out. I’ll follow the real pros - a superior product.