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B1G Ramblings

JwittersPAC said:
I have no idea how you think for example UCLA, Wisconsin or Nebraska would win anything in the SEC (football). Yes Washington was good two years ago prior to losing their coach to Alabama. Since then they have been very average.
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I didn't say they'd beat the top teams. But looks at Wisconsin. Consistently at the top for 3 decades before a bad half decade under their current coach. They outperformed all those bottom half SEC teams.

In the last 25 years under Bielma and Chryst, they went .450 (4-5) against the TOP of the SEC, and in bowls, they beat LSU, Auburn 2x, and Arkansas. Only loss to bottom SEC teams was to South Carolina. The other 4 losses were to LSU, Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia.

So, you wrote "win anything." They have shown not only that they could win in the ACC, but win against the top brands.

Nebraska is a brand the way Indiana is a brand in basketball.
 
If I were a B1G school, I'd take the deal. Given all the outside dents to the budgets of research institutions over the last several years, patching the big holes now will forestall some huge decisions that would make some schools much lesser than they are now.

You have 20 years to get your finances in order to meet the new demands of players and stadiums.

(but, at the end of the day, you shouldn't have gotten your school in a bad jam with spending in the first place.)

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about the quality of the stadium?
 
We all have our own perceptions of who the top brands are regardless of actual performance. I always considered Nebraska for example a top football brand but they don't win anything anymore. Now that the P2 contain 34 programs more brands will be diluted while others such as Indiana may surprise.

The average PE injection is $133 million per program but 13 will take less than average so 5 can get more. Northwestern just spent almost $900 million on a new stadium. NU does not need the extra $110 million. Michigan does not need anything nevermind $80 million more than Michigan State. I'm sure it will help ruttie try to get out of financial trouble but it will just ruttie itself into trouble again anyway.

I'm not sure if this equity deal is for the next 20 years or permanent. If 20 years, that's an average of $5.5 million received per year for the 13 rank and file, so that needs to be compared to how much it is costing each program per year.

"The Big Ten is in the middle of a seven-year, $7 billion media rights package that runs through 2030. The money infusion is believed to be acutely needed at several Big Ten schools that are struggling to pay down debt on new construction and budgeting for direct revenue ($20.5 million this year and expected to rise annually) to athletes."

www.espn.com

AD: USC wants long-term benefits of equity deal

USC athletic director Jen Cohen addressed the school's stance on the pending Big Ten private capital deal Friday, saying University leadership is focused on the long-term benefits.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
Kolumbo said:
I'm sure it will help ruttie try to get out of financial trouble but it will just ruttie itself into trouble again anyway.
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Yep. Rutgers will find a way to Rutgers it.
 
upstater said:
The other SEC schools are much higher in value than UCLA, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Washington? Really? Let's name some of them: Vandy, Miss St, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Mizzou, South Carolina, Kentucky. I would say that NONE of these 7 SEC schools are much higher value for football than the 4 B1G schools I listed.
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The best judge of value we have is TV ratings as that is what makes a brand valuable. So, for 2024, there were 12 SEC schools with higher TV ratings than Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA, and 8 SEC schools with higher ratings than Nebraska. Of course, TV ratings in a given year are not an ideal way to measure brand value as you probably want a 5 year average.

Of the schools you mentioned, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Arkansas had TV ratings above UCLA, Wisconsin, and Washington and Kentucky had equal ratings.
 
UConnJim said:
The best judge of value we have is TV ratings as that is what makes a brand valuable. So, for 2024, there were 12 SEC schools with higher TV ratings than Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA, and 8 SEC schools with higher ratings than Nebraska. Of course, TV ratings in a given year are not an ideal way to measure brand value as you probably want a 5 year average.

Of the schools you mentioned, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Arkansas had TV ratings above UCLA, Wisconsin, and Washington and Kentucky had equal ratings.
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The SEC has so many good college football teams is that some of the good teams may struggle going above 500 some years in the conference. The BIG 10 is very top heavy with really only 4 teams with a good chance to win the conference.
 
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UConnJim said:
The best judge of value we have is TV ratings as that is what makes a brand valuable. So, for 2024, there were 12 SEC schools with higher TV ratings than Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA, and 8 SEC schools with higher ratings than Nebraska. Of course, TV ratings in a given year are not an ideal way to measure brand value as you probably want a 5 year average.

Of the schools you mentioned, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Arkansas had TV ratings above UCLA, Wisconsin, and Washington and Kentucky had equal ratings.
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As we have seen though, it's partially the chicken and the egg. Ratings are largely based on which programs espn is putting on tv and who they are playing. Mississippi State will probably get higher ratings than it would otherwise draw because it is playing Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia, Texas, TAMU, Tennessee.
 
Kolumbo said:
As we have seen though, it's partially the chicken and the egg. Ratings are largely based on which programs espn is putting on tv and who they are playing. Mississippi State will probably get higher ratings than it would otherwise draw because it is playing Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia, Texas, TAMU, Tennessee.
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Same could be said for UCLA they played Michigan, Penn State and will play USC.
 
UConnJim said:
The best judge of value we have is TV ratings as that is what makes a brand valuable. So, for 2024, there were 12 SEC schools with higher TV ratings than Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA, and 8 SEC schools with higher ratings than Nebraska. Of course, TV ratings in a given year are not an ideal way to measure brand value as you probably want a 5 year average.

Of the schools you mentioned, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Arkansas had TV ratings above UCLA, Wisconsin, and Washington and Kentucky had equal ratings.
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In any given year, depends on who your opponents are. You mentioned 3 of the 7 schools I listed had higher ratings. Did the other 4 have lower ratings? A lot would depend on if the 3 played Alabama and the other 4 didn't.
 
upstater said:
In any given year, depends on who your opponents are. You mentioned 3 of the 7 schools I listed had higher ratings. Did the other 4 have lower ratings? A lot would depend on if the 3 played Alabama and the other 4 didn't.
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There were 3 with lower ratings: Miss. St., Missouri, and Vandy. Kentucky was similar. 8 of the top 11 schools were from the SEC, 2 from the Big 10, and Colorado (Sanders effect).
 
UConnJim said:
The best judge of value we have is TV ratings as that is what makes a brand valuable. So, for 2024, there were 12 SEC schools with higher TV ratings than Wisconsin, Washington, and UCLA, and 8 SEC schools with higher ratings than Nebraska. Of course, TV ratings in a given year are not an ideal way to measure brand value as you probably want a 5 year average.

Of the schools you mentioned, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Arkansas had TV ratings above UCLA, Wisconsin, and Washington and Kentucky had equal ratings.
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You mean there aren’t other indicators like revenue?

If you really think Arkansas is more valuable than Wisconsin then you really are brain dead.
 
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ZooCougar said:
You mean there aren’t other indicators like revenue?

If you really think Arkansas is more valuable than Wisconsin then you really are brain dead.
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sportsdata.usatoday.com

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
sportsdata.usatoday.com

Based on revenue Arkansas is slightly higher than Wisconsin.
7 out of the top 10 highest revenue producing schools are in the SEC.
 
JwittersPAC said:
sportsdata.usatoday.com

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
sportsdata.usatoday.com

Based on revenue Arkansas is slightly higher than Wisconsin.
7 out of the top 10 highest revenue producing schools are in the SEC.
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This one doesn’t agree.

www.cnbc.com

What the top 75 college sports programs are worth

The top of the list is dominated by SEC and Big Ten schools, due largely to each conference's massive media rights deals.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
JwittersPAC said:
sportsdata.usatoday.com

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
sportsdata.usatoday.com

Based on revenue Arkansas is slightly higher than Wisconsin.
7 out of the top 10 highest revenue producing schools are in the SEC.
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Or this one.

247sports.com

Ranking the 25 most valuable college sports programs in 2024

The numbers are in and these universities produced record numbers.
247sports.com 247sports.com
 
JwittersPAC said:
Slightly different numbers but they are not far apart.
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The Big 10 is more valuable than the SEC. The disparity will only get bigger. Also, spend 5 minutes in Wisconsin and you’d drop this forever.
 
ZooCougar said:
The Big 10 is more valuable than the SEC. The disparity will only get bigger. Also, spend 5 minutes in Wisconsin and you’d drop this forever.
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Was not stating that Wisconsin is worth more. I just was surprised by how high Arkansas was given it is a middling school in the SEC.
 
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Rufus said:
Nobody cares
Dont Care Noone Cares GIF by Mac-Nutrition
www.wilx.com

Greg and Dawn Williams donate $401 million to support MSU athletics

A busy week for MSU athletics continued on Friday with a major announcement.
www.wilx.com www.wilx.com
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This basically reimbursed MSU for the Larry Nassar damages. If it were my call I'd forward this $400 million to the victims as well.
 
Curt Cignetti and IU to be featured next week on 60 Minutes. Last IU coach to appear....Bobby Knight almost 50 years ago.
Crazy stuff
 
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