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B1G goes conference only

The dominos are starting to fall. I was just listening to Mad Dog on my way home from work, and he brought up the obvious point about Notre Dame, but technically us as well since we are now an Independent. What happens if every conference decides to do this? There wont be any games on the schedule. I guess all the independents will have to play each other. With all of this going on, Im putting it at 70-30 no season...
 
Now Brett McMurphy just tweeted the ACC is going conference only as well.
 
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Peacefrog said:
I was just thinking that they don't mention basketball (winter sport). Our non-football teams would at least have conference opponents to play. Maybe football can play a 7-game series against ND who might be looking for opponents too :)
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ACC has ND’s back:
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
What's the point of playing conference-only?
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most are in favor of this when it comes to bball, rather than canceling the season...i have a sneaking suspicion most are opposed to this when it comes to football, and would rather cancel the season because UConn isn't in a conference, and that's what you call a double standard.
 
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bendm said:
most are in favor of this when it comes to bball, rather than canceling the season...i have a sneaking suspicion most are opposed to this when it comes to football, and would rather cancel the season, because UConn isn't in a conference, and that's what you call a double standard.
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But that's the same point I was making - what's the actual reason for it?

Presumably, the only reason schools would adjust their schedule is for health concerns. They're not going to give up profitable OOC games because lolololwhynot. But moving to a conference-only schedule makes absolutely no meaningful progress in providing a safer playing environment. Literally none. And in some cases, can be a more unsafe environment if it creates more lengthy travel. This is literally the emperor's new clothes in action.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
But moving to a conference-only schedule makes absolutely no meaningful progress in providing a safer playing environment. Literally none.
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cutting 3-4 games from the schedule does reduce the overall potential for exposure. playing 8 or 9 games is safer than 12 any way you slice it.

cutting the 3-4 games that require the most travel from their schedules would do the most good, but cutting some games is still safer than cutting none.
 
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The reason you do conference only is because that's the limit of what uniform standards for testing you can enforce. Everyone in the Big Ten having the same testing makes sense.

(Nobody's playing)
 
zls44 said:
The reason you do conference only is because that's the limit of what uniform standards for testing you can enforce. Everyone in the Big Ten having the same testing makes sense.

(Nobody's playing)
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Yup. I knew I read it earlier just couldn’t remember where:

> Constricting to league play provides comfort in a few key areas:

Greater consistency of campus protocols, testing procedures and thresholds for when to play or when to cancel. The Big Ten has a task force of reps from every campus who have been studying the pandemic and all developments; they can help inform decisions on uniform guidelines for all schools. Non-conference opponents—especially those with less financial wherewithal—could bring a less rigorously tested or quarantined team onto campus. They also could feel pressure to take risks in order to secure a seven-figure guarantee check for playing the game.

“What kind of guarantee do I have when they come here that they're infection-free?” said one Power-5 AD. “Do they have the resources?”<
 
1) If I were a player, I would rather them cancel the season other than play only in conference and not do it the actual way.
2) How does only playing in conference games make any significant difference at all?
3) My softball team is playing, why can't they figure it out?
 
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glastonbury50 said:
1) If I were a player, I would rather them cancel the season other than play only in conference and not do it the actual way.
2) How does only playing in conference games make any significant difference at all?
3) My softball team is playing, why can't they figure it out?
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Answer to #2.... the quote from the Big10.... "... By limiting competition to other Big Ten institutions, the Conference will have the greatest flexibility to adjust its own operations throughout the season and make quick decisions in real-time based on the most current evolving medical advice and the fluid nature of the pandemic."
 
These are half measures to make everyone feel better. In reality it means very little. If they are going to go thru with these things just cancel everything til next April and be done with it. If the goal is truly to make everyone safe then no games and move along. Otherwise these “precautions” being taken are just window dressing so Pat Forde will write a favorable story
 
M.S.G. said:
It's laughable to me that all these half measures are being attempted, my god just cancel the season as much as it will ruin our fall.
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Well the U.S. as a whole has been the worlwide champ of half-measures so it fits the mentality. If the whole US had just taken the medicine and completely shutdown everywhere and re-opened slowly & cautiously (like CT) with mandatory masks then maybe the fall could have been saved. Instead the U.S. will limp along until a vaccine with stops and starts over and over.
 
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Has anyone read an official document outlining the rationale? Wondering if quarantine requirements of some states are one reason for this.
 
Edward Sargent said:
Has anyone read an official document outlining the rationale? Wondering if quarantine requirements of some states are one reason for this.
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Yes, it's in the announcement from the conference. And in huskymedic's post above.
 
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>The Pac-12 CEO Group announced today that the fall season for several Pac-12 sports, including football, men’s and women’s soccer and women’s volleyball, would schedule Conference-only games, and that it is delaying the start of mandatory athletic activities, until a series of health and safety indicators, which have recently trended in a negative direction, provided sufficient positive data to enable a move to a second phase of return-to-play activities.<<
 
Edward Sargent said:
Has anyone read an official document outlining the rationale? Wondering if quarantine requirements of some states are one reason for this.
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It's basically that they can enforce testing procedures for their conference but not other conferences
 
Possibly silly question(s), but is it in any way feasible to test the players and faculty before each game? (thinking basketball here, for what that's worth)

I realize that depending on how long it takes to get results, it may not detect what people catch during travel etc. But it's just not an area I know much about. If you had the resources available, could you test everyone the day of the game and get results back in time to be confident that no one on the hardwood was positive? Is there a gestation period (probably the wrong word) when you can be infected, contagious and test negative?

And I realize that doesn't account for any potential fans in the building. Or that people don't want a giant swab stuck through their face to the back of their head 2-3 times a week. I'm just curious about what we're medically capable of right now.

Or is the answer "we just don't know"?
 
87Xfer said:
Possibly silly question(s), but is it in any way feasible to test the players and faculty before each game? (thinking basketball here, for what that's worth)

I realize that depending on how long it takes to get results, it may not detect what people catch during travel etc. But it's just not an area I know much about. If you had the resources available, could you test everyone the day of the game and get results back in time to be confident that no one on the hardwood was positive? Is there a gestation period (probably the wrong word) when you can be infected, contagious and test negative?

And I realize that doesn't account for any potential fans in the building. Or that people don't want a giant swab stuck through their face to the back of their head 2-3 times a week. I'm just curious about what we're medically capable of right now.

Or is the answer "we just don't know"?
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Right now we have a multitude of tests available. There are rapid tests that come back with results in 45 mins, and there are the traditional tests that take days. The incubation period (“gestational period”) for a positive test in an asymptomatic patient is unknown. The issue is that the false negative rate of all these tests is unknown as well. It is hypothesized at around 20-30%, so if you test 10 people and it returns negative, 2 or 3 of then were actually positive for the virus. Short version - it’s very complicated. Not as easy as the general public thinks it is.
 
M.S.G. said:
It's laughable to me that all these half measures are being attempted, my god just cancel the season as much as it will ruin our fall.
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Half measures availed us nothing
 
Goatmeat said:
Right now we have a multitude of tests available. There are rapid tests that come back with results in 45 mins, and there are the traditional tests that take days. The incubation period (“gestational period”) for a positive test in an asymptomatic patient is unknown. The issue is that the false negative rate of all these tests is unknown as well. It is hypothesized at around 20-30%, so if you test 10 people and it returns negative, 2 or 3 of then were actually positive for the virus. Short version - it’s very complicated. Not as easy as the general public thinks it is.
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Thanks. I assumed there are still a lot of unknowns. Is there evidence that false positives are in the 20-30% range? Or were those random numbers you used as an example?
 
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