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One of the absurdities of realignment is how the Catholic BE schools balked at adding Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., which was nutty. Now they travel to Nebraska, Wisconsin, Indiana, etc., and they'll be adding a second Ohio school and maybe St. Louis.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Unfortunately, the ACC are out of their collective minds. Exhibit A: Louisville. Exhibit B: rejecting WVU. Exhibit C: screwing up so badly that they lost Maryland. Exhibit D: not realizing that UConn + Rutgers + Syracuse + their ND deal locks down the top media market and likely ensures that they can get a network going.

Total morons down there.
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This, a thousand times. Instead of locking down the entire east coast media market ensuring the ACC had schools in every top market from Miami to Boston, inclusive of Atlanta, Charlotte, DC/Baltimore, NY, as well as Chicago, AND keep the B1G (a conference with its own network) out of NYC, they opted to protect the all important western PA and northern KY markets and keep the B12 (a conference without it's own network) out of their backyard and invited Pitt, then Louisville. The ACC had a chance to grab one of WVU or Pitt, RU, UConn, and SU, and still bring ND into the fold. This would have been a HUGE network bonanza/payday, and most likely keeps UMd in the fold...giving them a true North/South conference:

ACC South:UM, FSU, GT, Clem, UNC, NCSU, Duke, WF
ACC North: BC, SU, UConn, RU, WVU or Pitt, UMd, VT, UVa

or 4 team "pods" of where every other year the 4 team pods rotate to ensure everyone plays everyone a minimum of twice every 6 years, but play your most local teams annually.
UM, FSU, GT, Clem
UNC, NCSU, Duke, WF
UVa, VT, UMd, WVU or Pitt
BC, SU, UConn, RU

They still could have brought on ND as 17 for Olympic sports and a FB scheduling arrangement. This keep the B1G out of NYC, maybe the B12 grabs UL and one of Pitt or WVU, big deal. That's more of an intrusion on the B1G's and SEC's geographic footprint, not the ACC's.
 
So let's say the B1G takes GTech and VTech and then the SEC takes FSU/Clemson. Would anyone here really be upset if the ACC takes us then? Assume that the B12 falls apart if the other half of the rumor is true and OU and UT go as well to the B1G. So you're left with three power conferences and the remnants of the B12 and ACC. In the end, the ACC is more complete of a package then what the B12 would offer. I can't see them falling out of power due to this.

I for one wouldn't lose sleep over us joining the ACC and playing decent football teams and local rivalries again in football and basketball. It would be likely that the ACC looks to add a Cincy maybe or even someone else from the AAC? I have no clue and am just rambling but I can't see myself losing sleep over us going to the ACC if this obscure new rumor comes to fruition.

The biggest kick in the nuts, which is probably what happens because of Rule #1 is that all of this happens AFTER UConn accepts an invite to the Big 12!
 
UCFBfan said:
So let's say the B1G takes GTech and VTech and then the SEC takes FSU/Clemson. Would anyone here really be upset if the ACC takes us then? Assume that the B12 falls apart if the other half of the rumor is true and OU and UT go as well to the B1G. So you're left with three power conferences and the remnants of the B12 and ACC. In the end, the ACC is more complete of a package then what the B12 would offer. I can't see them falling out of power due to this.

I for one wouldn't lose sleep over us joining the ACC and playing decent football teams and local rivalries again in football and basketball. It would be likely that the ACC looks to add a Cincy maybe or even someone else from the AAC? I have no clue and am just rambling but I can't see myself losing sleep over us going to the ACC if this obscure new rumor comes to fruition.

The biggest kick in the nuts, which is probably what happens because of Rule #1 is that all of this happens AFTER UConn accepts an invite to the Big 12!
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Yes, I would be upset. Sure, any sort of ACC is better than where we are now but UConn brings value far more than most schools who would remain in that conference. Think big, think long term.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
Let's say the two Techs leave. Most likely the SEC would respond with inviting FSU and Clemson. Remember that football is everything in that part of the world. Basketball wouldn't be worth a lick to the yahoo contingent and the B1G would send that same message if that is the move they make.

Therefore, the ACC would revert to being a basketball-first conference which it was in the glory days. That's where I see UConn as a critical add. Uniting UConn with Duke, Virginia, UNC, State, Notre Dame, Louisville and adding Cincinnati to that group would already be better than the NBE. Kansas might end up going to the PAC and take Iowa State with them. So the B12 would be finished as a basketball conference. In the end, it would still be the ACC, NBE and B1G as the contestants in the battle for basketball supremacy, with the PAC + KU occasionally making noise.
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I would imagine that, if the ACC was down four schools and adding basketball pedigrees, Kansas would be on the shortlist.
 
UCFBfan said:
So let's say the B1G takes GTech and VTech and then the SEC takes FSU/Clemson. Would anyone here really be upset if the ACC takes us then? Assume that the B12 falls apart if the other half of the rumor is true and OU and UT go as well to the B1G. So you're left with three power conferences and the remnants of the B12 and ACC. In the end, the ACC is more complete of a package then what the B12 would offer. I can't see them falling out of power due to this.

I for one wouldn't lose sleep over us joining the ACC and playing decent football teams and local rivalries again in football and basketball. It would be likely that the ACC looks to add a Cincy maybe or even someone else from the AAC? I have no clue and am just rambling but I can't see myself losing sleep over us going to the ACC if this obscure new rumor comes to fruition.

The biggest kick in the nuts, which is probably what happens because of Rule #1 is that all of this happens AFTER UConn accepts an invite to the Big 12!
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Florida will never let Florida state in the sec so we don't have to worry about FSU leaving for the sec. However, if vt and gt left and UConn and cincinatti were added, then I believe the acc would be a better conference.
 
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djct1999 said:
Yes, I would be upset. Sure, any sort of ACC is better than where we are now but UConn brings value far more than most schools who would remain in that conference. Think big, think long term.
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Or maybe we need to accept that we aren't ever going to be accepted by the big boy football schools. It's reality. So as long as we're getting a big chunk of the pie or at least a decent more then we're currently getting I'd be happy whether that's in the ACC or Big 12. I'm a football first guy but I just want our school to be able to maintain it's athletic excellence. That won't happen in the AAC and it definitely won't happen if we are waiting forever to go to the B1G.
 
UCFBfan said:
Or maybe we need to accept that we aren't ever going to be accepted by the big boy football schools. It's reality. So as long as we're getting a big chunk of the pie or at least a decent more then we're currently getting I'd be happy whether that's in the ACC or Big 12. I'm a football first guy but I just want our school to be able to maintain it's athletic excellence. That won't happen in the AAC and it definitely won't happen if we are waiting forever to go to the B1G.
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Any port in a storm. We're in a storm.
 
geordi said:
But you are missing the handwriting on the wall. It's been there for a couple of years and Delany has been telegraphing the next move since then. Remember the new Big 10 logo? The one they are using now? Figure it out. B1G. Supposedly a nod to the old Big 10 with the G looking like a zero, right? Well, the G looks more like a 6 than a zero. He's been telling us that it's going to be the Big 16...2 more teams to join.
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
You are absolutely correct! Delaney is using the Big logo to send messages to us! I also believe that there are several clues that he has put into the new Star Wars movie about conference realignment (Yes, "Rey" is UConn!) It's also possible that he is using a binary code to send me messages through my Cheerios - I'm still working that one out.
 
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CL82 said:
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
You are absolutely correct! Delaney is using the Big logo to send messages to us! I also believe that there are several clues that he has put into the new Star Wars movie about conference realignment (Yes, Ren is UConn!) It's also possible that he is using a binary code to send me messages through my Cheerios - I'm still working that one out.
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Conspiracy Kitty, you don't age. Nor changed your hair style for years.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If this was true, the ACC would be out of their collective minds not to add UConn before someone else does. Since we aren't in the ACC as far as I know, I am skeptical.
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They should be jumping on us right now. They should have jumped on us a while ago. Swofford was never a visionary. He's simply reacted to outside forces and tried to protect his personal fiefdom and has hurt the ACC in the process.
 
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The Funster said:
They should be jumping on us right now. They should have jumped on us a while ago. Swofford was never a visionary. He's simply reacted to outside forces and tried to protect his personal fiefdom and has hurt the ACC in the process.
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... and saved it, as well. I wish the Big East had had a similar reactionary visionless commissioner. I agree the ACC gave up it's identity in it's CR moves, but it's alive and the Big East, the best basketball conference of all time, is dead. Tough for me to too critical of Swofford. I still hate the guy, though.
 
Yeah Swofford may not have ended up with the optimal configuration but he had a goal, kill the Big East, and he accomplished it.
 
CL82 said:
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
You are absolutely correct! Delaney is using the Big logo to send messages to us! I also believe that there are several clues that he has put into the new Star Wars movie about conference realignment (Yes, Ren is UConn!) It's also possible that he is using a binary code to send me messages through my Cheerios - I'm still working that one out.
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Binary? Better add some rice krispies... the message will become clear.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Unfortunately, the ACC are out of their collective minds. Exhibit A: Louisville. Exhibit B: rejecting WVU. Exhibit C: screwing up so badly that they lost Maryland. Exhibit D: not realizing that UConn + Rutgers + Syracuse + their ND deal locks down the top media market and likely ensures that they can get a network going.

Total morons down there.
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Their first mistake was letting it get personal with Blumenthal (not to absolve him of blame). Their second was continuing to listen to Flipper/Fr. Leahy. Think Swofford would like a mulligan now?
 
CL82 said:
... and saved it, as well. I wish the Big East had had a similar reactionary visionless commissioner. I agree the ACC gave up it's identity in it's CR moves, but it's alive and the Big East, the best basketball conference of all time, is dead. Tough for me to too critical of Swofford. I still hate the guy, though.
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You can't compare the ACC with the BE. The BE as it was constituted was a dead man walking. Swofford took Louisville when he could have had WVU. He believed BC could be New Englands team. He believed that SU could be NYC's team He was outfoxed by Delany with Rutgers and MD. He feathered his son's Raycom bed and now it is an impediment to getting an ACCN off the ground.

Had he been smart, he could have taken UConn with SU and had the best BB conference, a decent FB conference with potential AND locked up the Eastern Seaboard for an ACCN, which "might" have been enough to keep MD. His initial outlook was too Tobacco road centric, then he had to acquiesce to the FB powers and now...? The only thing that could save him, IMO, is if ND is forced to join the ACC.

While Swofford plays checkers, Delany plays chess.
 
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The Funster said:
They should be jumping on us right now. They should have jumped on us a while ago. Swofford was never a visionary. He's simply reacted to outside forces and tried to protect his personal fiefdom and has hurt the ACC in the process.
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Explain to me how having two teams play in the first two final 4 in FB, having 1 NC in FB and quite possibly 2 in 3 years (Bama has not played against an offense like this in 4 years), and having 5 NC's in BB since expansion started is evidence that the ACC has hurt itself in the CR process?

How would have adding Uconn at any juncture helped in FB? It would have added two NC's in BB if Uconn was added in 2004 (net 1 since Lville brought 1), which can be the point you are making, but I don't see the ACC being hurt by what they did so far. In fact, they have added a TV package in NYC (MSG and YES both carry FB and BB games) and they schedule multiple NYC BB games. They know very well what Uconn will bring to them in NYC and whether that is enough justification for the addition. The answer so far has been no. I am a believer that BC did NOT have undue influence over the NC schools the last time around; Jacobs basically said in one of his columns that there were ACC BB coaches aligned against Uconn too.

The Big 12 is the most likely player for expansion because they get nothing in NYC now and Uconn will give them something. That and they will need 12 in FB real soon. Is that enough to get either the B1G's or the ACC's attention to grab Uconn first? I hope so. I like the ACC for Uconn. Best combination of FB and BB. Built in rivalries in FB and BB. Tell me you would not want to play Duke, UNC and Cuse every year in BB. Or BC, Cuse and Clemson/FSU in FB every year. Not equal to B1G money but enough to make it comparable.
 
06029 said:
Explain to me how having two teams play in the first two final 4 in FB, having 1 NC in FB and quite possibly 2 in 3 years (Bama has not played against an offense like this in 4 years), and having 5 NC's in BB since expansion started is evidence that the ACC has hurt itself in the CR process?
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Take out the teams that were already there. How have all the additions done?

How would have adding Uconn at any juncture helped in FB? It would have added two NC's in BB if Uconn was added in 2004 (net 1 since Lville brought 1), which can be the point you are making, but I don't see the ACC being hurt by what they did so far. In fact, they have added a TV package in NYC (MSG and YES both carry FB and BB games) and they schedule multiple NYC BB games. They know very well what Uconn will bring to them in NYC and whether that is enough justification for the addition. The answer so far has been no. I am a believer that BC did NOT have undue influence over the NC schools the last time around; Jacobs basically said in one of his columns that there were ACC BB coaches aligned against Uconn too.
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I never said UConn would have helped in football. UConn would have been a net neutral versus, say Pitt, may (damn PP). I believe MSG and YES are Raycom spinoffs if the value that those games brings (along with the Raycom deal) are greater than the value of a ACCN well, that would surely be news! I'd like to see the article where BB coaches aligned against UConn. I remember K being pro UConn but I do remember the coaches being pro team X after they were selected instead of UConn. That's just posturing.

The Big 12 is the most likely player for expansion because they get nothing in NYC now and Uconn will give them something. That and they will need 12 in FB real soon. Is that enough to get either the B1G's or the ACC's attention to grab Uconn first? I hope so. I like the ACC for Uconn. Best combination of FB and BB. Built in rivalries in FB and BB. Tell me you would not want to play Duke, UNC and Cuse every year in BB. Or BC, Cuse and Clemson/FSU in FB every year. Not equal to B1G money but enough to make it comparable.
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If BuffaloLion is to be believed and Delany loves UConn and would prefer to see UConn go to the Big 12 instead of the ACC because it helps freeze the ACC out of a viable network what does tht tell you? FWIW, I would much prefer UConn in the ACC over the Big 12 for the same reasons you would. However, I'll stick to my original statement: Swofford was not a visionary. He reacted to protect his own personal fiefdom and it's put him in a position where his conference could be the last without it's own network.
 
Hearing all these what-ifs and possibilities never ceases to let the irrational hope well up inside me. FWIW, my realignment wet dream (other than a straight up UConn to B1G move) is this:

**Prepare for delusion**
  • The Longhorn Network folds (losing tons of money right now), and Texas begins discussions about a conference move
  • B1G decides 16 is the future, adds Missouri (no grant of rights) and Kansas
  • Oklahoma beats Texas to the punch and joins the SEC to fill Missouri's place
  • SEC also adds West Virginia and Virginia Tech to match the B1G at 16 (two new markets)
  • Texas panics without their network and OU, and ends up in the Pac-12 (now 14) with Texas Tech as a travel partner
  • 5 defecting Big 12 schools sue over GOR, they win and the Big 12 has officially blown up
  • In a blockbuster move, the football-centric ACC schools jump ship to join the five remaining Big 12 schools
  • New Big 12: Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor, with Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State and Miami from the ACC, plus Cincinnati from the American
  • ACC is left with 7 full members, adds UConn as a full member plus Army and Navy football only
  • The ACC gives the Catholic 5 (sorry Marquette/DePaul) a sweet offer, they join for non-football sports with Notre Dame
  • ACC: BC, PC, UConn, SJ, SHall, Cuse, Pitt, ND, Nova, GTown, UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake
  • ACC is a middling football conference but a basketball powerhouse, just what UConn always deserved
As you can see it gets more and more unlikely as it unfolds. But a kid can dream right?
 
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SAMCRO said:
As much as many OU people believe they want/need to break away from UT, they absolutely need to stay connected to Texas to keep at the same level FB-wise. Nebraska is nowhere near where they were FB-wise since they stopped bringing in as many TX kids. Their last season in the B12 NU had 23 kids from TX on their roster. This past year they had 10. That's a huge drop off, and it is no coincidence their on the field performance has fallen off as well. If OU does eventually make a move, it will either be with UT, or to a conference (hint...SEC w/ aTm) that keeps them tied to one of the 2 major Texas universities.
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Remember that it is academics (university presidents) who make realignment decisions, not athletic directors or football boosters. The B1G and their CIC is a major draw to presidents. I would say it at least balances the Texas link, which can be addressed by out of conference scheduling.
 
jostar1 said:
He posted this today on Landthieves:

  1. With respect to UConn, if they had AAU status and a traveling partner, they would be in the Big Ten right now. Delany loves them. Their metrics as they relate to the Big Ten (minus AAU status) is off the charts. We would take UConn over BC or Syracuse in a heartbeat.

    With respect to the Big 12, UConn's only real downside is distance. Connecticut high schools actually produce as much NFL talent as do high schools in Oklahoma, and more NFL talent than high schools in Kansas, Iowa, or West Virginia. They have been lobbying heavily for Big Ten membership, and are probably next in line of the current non-P-5 schools. However, Delany would FAR rather see them in the Big 12 than the ACC. No UConn in the ACC means no ACC Network.
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In the land of conspiracies, I wonder if Kitty would think that Delany is pushing the de-regulation vote on the B12 in hopes that they will add UConn (with thoughts of creating a B12N) to keep us away from the ACC. It's really a race between the B12 and ACC to see who will get a network first. The loser of that race will eventually die out and be picked off by another P4 conference.
 
junglehusky said:
Yeah Swofford may not have ended up with the optimal configuration but he had a goal, kill the Big East, and he accomplished it.
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That was ESPN's goal. Swofford's goal was to extract money from ESPN. This was a mutually short-sighted deal.
 
06029 said:
Explain to me how having two teams play in the first two final 4 in FB, having 1 NC in FB and quite possibly 2 in 3 years (Bama has not played against an offense like this in 4 years), and having 5 NC's in BB since expansion started is evidence that the ACC has hurt itself in the CR process?
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Television. How's that ACC Network coming along? They could have had all of NYC to themselves, kept UMd, and kept the B1G and BTN out of NYC and Balt/DC by grabbing Rutgers and UConn along with SU back in '11/12.

Now, answer this... of those 5 BB NC's and 1 FB NC you reference above, how many were contributed by any of the teams brought in from expansion (reminder, UL's 2013 title was as a member of the BE, not the ACC)? Spoiler alert.... the answer is zero.
Second question, how many NC's would a UConn have delivered to the ACC's trophy case had they been selected along with SU? Hint... it rhymes with fun and none, but it's more than none. So, maybe expansion hasn't hurt the ACC in that regard, but it hasn't helped them either.
 
quacktalker said:
Hearing all these what-ifs and possibilities never ceases to let the irrational hope well up inside me. FWIW, my realignment wet dream (other than a straight up UConn to B1G move) is this:

**Prepare for delusion**
  • The Longhorn Network folds (losing tons of money right now), and Texas begins discussions about a conference move
  • B1G decides 16 is the future, adds Missouri (no grant of rights) and Kansas
  • Oklahoma beats Texas to the punch and joins the SEC to fill Missouri's place
  • SEC also adds West Virginia and Virginia Tech to match the B1G at 16 (two new markets)
  • Texas panics without their network and OU, and ends up in the Pac-12 (now 14) with Texas Tech as a travel partner
  • 5 defecting Big 12 schools sue over GOR, they win and the Big 12 has officially blown up
  • In a blockbuster move, the football-centric ACC schools jump ship to join the five remaining Big 12 schools
  • New Big 12: Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor, with Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State and Miami from the ACC, plus Cincinnati from the American
  • ACC is left with 7 full members, adds UConn as a full member plus Army and Navy football only
  • The ACC gives the Catholic 5 (sorry Marquette/DePaul) a sweet offer, they join for non-football sports with Notre Dame
  • ACC: BC, PC, UConn, SJ, SHall, Cuse, Pitt, ND, Nova, GTown, UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake
  • ACC is a middling football conference but a basketball powerhouse, just what UConn always deserved
As you can see it gets more and more unlikely as it unfolds. But a kid can dream right?
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That's not a dream for UCONN...that's a complete nightmare!!!
 
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