Here's UConn's best chance for entrance into Big 12. We fly into the a meeting with the Texas schools and Warde carries a very large suitcase. At the meeting, he unpacks vintage Colt 45's and Winchester 73's and presents them to the Texans. His opening remark. You have done business with Connecticut before and how did that work out for you?
B12 Officials Met with Cincinnati BEFORE Playoff Announcement
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Idaho, United States population - 1.61 million (2013)
Connecticut, United States population - 3.60 million (2013)
New York City population - 8.40 million (2014)
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True, and Pitt would fit in perfectly. Panthers jump the ACC and UCONN moves in.
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Effectively zero. I can't emphasize enough that Notre Dame looks at independence as an institutional identity issue (not just a football issue). Domers have passed up more money (which they would have made by being an equal member of the Big Ten), more bowl access and better chances for the national championship already because independence is a threshold core issue for them. What's logic for 99.9% of other football programs is IRRELEVANT to Domers. The only way that ND would ever join a conference is if they are 100% structurally shut out of the playoff where there is an explicit rule that no one but conference champs would be allowed. It can't merely be "very hard" or "unlikely", which is how it is in the CFP setup.
Note that Notre Dame is the one power school in the country where the alums truly dictate terms to the leadership as opposed to the other way around. There is no leader at Notre Dame that will advocate for football conference membership because as soon as he/she does, he/she will be immediately removed by the alums. It's a zero sum issue for them.
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Well, Year 1 of the playoff saw nothing but conference champions even when you could make a very real argument that a few non "true" conference champions deserved to be in.
My guess is that the playoff field will grow to 8 somehow (probably begin the season in mid-August with less bye weeks?) and that the "true conference champion" requirement will be laxed in order to better fit all the Power conferences and ND. This way, you can have 2 SEC teams every year, all P5 conferences represented and still have room at the table in the event ND runs the table.
I wonder though if ND will look to re-negotiate their TV deal with NBC if conferences start pulling in an additional $25-$50M per year just for CCG rights.
My guess is that the playoff field will grow to 8 somehow (probably begin the season in mid-August with less bye weeks?) and that the "true conference champion" requirement will be laxed in order to better fit all the Power conferences and ND. This way, you can have 2 SEC teams every year, all P5 conferences represented and still have room at the table in the event ND runs the table.
I wonder though if ND will look to re-negotiate their TV deal with NBC if conferences start pulling in an additional $25-$50M per year just for CCG rights.
Oh, and this is a general comment (not towards Frank...) the idea that Cincinnati is OSU territory is only really believed by marketing folks. I was at Kroger's yesterday and saw a huge display of OSU paper towels. I of course being a loud mouthed UC fan asked the guy and girl stacking them what OSU towels were doing in Cincinnati...they were both to paraphrase "I dunno...its stupid". I asked some of the employees in the front who were equally confused.
Cincinnati is UC #1, UK #2 (Northern Kentucky), and I'd argue ND/OSU tie #3, and Louisville a distant #4. 10 years ago when UC was irrelevant in football then there were a lot more OSU fans (I was a PSU fan at a party when they upset OSU...almost got my ass kicked...cue up Sandusky jokes). The bigger problem is that we have the old Pitt problem of having a pro football team (although to be fair, that might be being nice to the Bengals in calling them a professional team...) in a mid-sized city competing for $$ with college football and HS football (which I will never get why its so big here...I grew up on the East Coast).[/QUOTE]
Yep, OSU is like the Walmart of college sports. They throw their junk everywhere trying spread their print. However, it often only irritates the home folks.
Cincinnati is UC #1, UK #2 (Northern Kentucky), and I'd argue ND/OSU tie #3, and Louisville a distant #4. 10 years ago when UC was irrelevant in football then there were a lot more OSU fans (I was a PSU fan at a party when they upset OSU...almost got my ass kicked...cue up Sandusky jokes). The bigger problem is that we have the old Pitt problem of having a pro football team (although to be fair, that might be being nice to the Bengals in calling them a professional team...) in a mid-sized city competing for $$ with college football and HS football (which I will never get why its so big here...I grew up on the East Coast).[/QUOTE]
Yep, OSU is like the Walmart of college sports. They throw their junk everywhere trying spread their print. However, it often only irritates the home folks.
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Sure, but there's still a massive difference between having a strong preference for conference champions (which was also often the case in the BCS era) and being literally not allowed to participate in the playoff. The latter scenario is the only acceptable justification for Notre Dame's alums (who, once again, very literally control the school as football matters, including coaching hiring, all go through the large and completely alumni-based Board of Trustees that doesn't just rubber stamp the financials) to join a conference.
I'd agree that this will likely be made moot by an 8-team playoff. However, structurally, "less is more". Use the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and Orange Bowl as the quarterfinals on New Year's Eve/Day. I've never bought the bogus reasoning of university presidents that they don't want the playoff to extend further into January. Complete preservation of the bowl system (which is the free market contractual mechanism through which the power conferences can preserve their access and money advantages) plus avoiding conflicts with final exams in December for 8 teams would outweigh pushing the season 7 to 10 days later for 2 teams that are often still on Winter Break.
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Yep, OSU is like the Walmart of college sports. They throw their junk everywhere trying spread their print. However, it often only irritates the home folks.[/QUOTE]
Cincinnati people know that I'm a big supporter of the school and believe that they're the #1 option for the Big 12. However, I do find the Cincinnati arguments to downplay Ohio State's fandom and influence in that market to be relatively weak compared to the other ones in their arsenal. The Ohio State fandom isn't necessarily as strong in the Cincinnati market as it is in other parts of the state of Ohio, but all of the TV ratings, Facebook data and other objective metrics show that the Ohio State presence is still *extremely* strong in that area (whereas it's *insanely off-the-charts* strong in other parts of Ohio). Ohio State's hold over its entire home state is as strong as any school in the country outside of the SEC schools that have monopolies (i.e. LSU).
That doesn't mean that Cincinnati can't co-exist with Ohio State in that market. It's pretty comparable to the Louisville/Kentucky split in the Louisville market.
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Cincinnati is in a leakier boat, they have pro competition down the street.
Yea, but its a much bigger boat (Louisville metro area is 1.3 million, 22,300 students. Cincinnati metro area is 2.3 million, 42,600 students). If you include Dayton, its 3.2 million (they are merging for the 2020 census), although I'd argue Dayton is mostly O$U.
Let's face it...people in the state are bandwagon fans and will watch/root for whoever is doing well. It just normally happens to be O$U. Watch out if they start to suck for 5 years, lol.
With regards to Cincinnati...with other entertainment options available, people will pay and pay well to see a winner and a competitive team, we won't bother to watch for free if they suck. To be fair, I saw this same phenomena at U of Illinois during my graduate work there, and they have nothing to do around there except to prepare for unofficial St. Patrick's day (I never had a drunk student in any class I taught...I would have had a lot of fun).
And as for UConn's value to ESPN in the BIG or ACC or B12...there is no value if they are matched up against ECU for basketball. Good games/perceived good games drive viewership...I'm assuming when Texas plays fill in Sun Belt/MAC opponent the ratings are pretty bad. So yea, you might have a cheap property locked up and rent it out for next to nothing, but if you put some money and investment into it, you could probably quintuple your rent. Then again, ESPN hates UConn for whatever reason...why do you give them tax breaks again?
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Oh boy, I think the B12 should go after Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks then. After all, how could you turn down offering membership to a school with this video:
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In other words, Cincy is next up for the ACC. if available.
Great video. But, since this a basketball website, I was wondering if ever got hold of the Glen Rice/Sarah Palin video.
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Hmm, I didn't know they had LSD in Alaska.
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So what you are saying is Cincy would still end up playing home games in Cincy, while Connecticut would be dependent on "home" games in Massachusetts and New Jersey? Pointless! The answer lies in expanding the Rent and making it look like the Louisville and TCU stadiums.
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