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UConn hired Diaco when it seems nobody would hire him as a head coach even though he was the Broyles Award winner. What did the other schools know that UConn didn't?
I don’t think that’s true at all as shown by the number of schools that hired Diaco after he was head coach at UConn. Diaco fit all the metrics you’re looking for when hiring a young up-and-coming coach. He was successful, enthusiastic, and charismatic. Unfortunately, he was also bat sh.it crazy and incapable of managing the football program.
 
I don’t think that’s true at all as shown by the number of schools that hired Diaco after he was head coach at UConn. Diaco fit all the metrics you’re looking for when hiring a young up-and-coming coach. He was successful, enthusiastic, and charismatic. Unfortunately, he was also bat sh.it crazy and incapable of managing the football program.

It seemed like a great hire at the time, but upon reflection it was a swing and a miss.
 

I’m kind of getting this vibe off this guy:
 
It seemed like a great hire at the time, but upon reflection it was a swing and a miss.
I wish UConn had done more homework on that hire because the day he was announced, my cousin told me that the entire Notre Dame athletic department was ELATED that he was leaving them. Later that month I was at a fundraiser event (not related to UConn) where Diaco spoke and within a minute I thought he was totally unhinged. Sigh.
 
It seemed like a great hire at the time, but upon reflection it was a swing and a miss.
As soon as he busted out key/non key starters, winning breakfast, Batman and fish cakes I knew that you guys were in trouble. Sometimes people are truly eccentric but are low key geniuses in their field. (Mike Leach) The rest of the time they turn out to be Bob Diaco...
 
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No thanks to the Big 12 and ACC. Big 12 would be great for basketball, but so is the Big East and we actually have history with BE schools. The only Big 12 schools I give a crap about in basketball are Kansas, Baylor, and maybe WVU. That conference will become meaningless in football once Texas and OU leave. We obviously have a lot of history with some of the ACC schools, but no one knows if that conference will get gutted or not, rather not take the chance. B1G would be a great fit, but they will never take us with how bad the football program is and how little potential it has. I know that football rules the college landscape, but after learning the hard way with the AAC debacle, we need to first and foremost ensure that our basketball programs are set up to continue dominating.
 
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we need to first and foremost ensure that our basketball programs are set up to continue dominating.
Wouldn’t securing adequate revenue to continue to fund the athletic department be necessary to “ensure our basketball programs are set up to continue dominating?”
 
The big east is the best place for uconn in my opinion…we might have the perfect storm with our national championship..the big east new coaching hires and next year we might have 4 teams in the top ten … its up to Val to get us a good tv deal now
 
Wouldn’t securing adequate revenue to continue to fund the athletic department be necessary to “ensure our basketball programs are set up to continue dominating?”
One would think so, but when you look at our good friends Cuse, Pitt, L'Ville, and WVU they have all pretty much tanked their basketball programs after chasing the football money. I don't want the same thing to happen to us. As we are finding out, the grass isn't always greener.
 
One would think so, but when you look at our good friends Cuse, Pitt, L'Ville, and WVU they have all pretty much tanked their basketball programs after chasing the football money. I don't want the same thing to happen to us. As we are finding out, the grass isn't always greener.
You’re confusing correlational factors with causal factors. Their making nearly 10 times what we make in media money isn’t the cause for the decline of their programs. UConn has done an outstanding job keeping ourselves relevant, but $40-$70 million losses in the athletic department are not sustainable.
 
You’re confusing correlational factors with causal factors. Their making nearly 10 times what we make in media money isn’t the cause for the decline of their programs. UConn has done an outstanding job keeping ourselves relevant, but $40-$70 million losses in the athletic department are not sustainable.
Moving from the Big East to the ACC causes teams to suck.
Moving from the Big East to the ACC has a positive correlation to sucking.
Either way, Fork that!
Seriously though, there is more than enough reason to be concerned and UCONN is in a very strong position.
UCONN has been in the news more than any other university these past few weeks. It would be interesting if someone could quantify the value of that media bonus to the University and to the state.
 
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We're not Cuse, Pitt, Louisville or West Virginia. We're UConn. We've finally got our athletic department going in the right direction.

The Big East is great, but I hope fans realize that it's likely not our long-term home if we want to be able to compete with the Power conferences for coaching talent and athletes. There is the potential for a literal divide of division 1, but more realistically the gulf between the haves and have-nots is widening. The day will be here soon when BIG and SEC teams are bringing in $100-$150 million a year from TV revenue alone and we'll be bringing in $10 million if we're lucky.

How do you expect to retain top coaches at that rate? Need to bridge the gap. Move up to higher revenue conferences.

The best situation for UConn outside of a BIG or SEC invite (which is not happening) would be for the Big12 or ACC to take UConn (all sports) with Nova, St. John's and Georgetown. Would lock up the northeast and be the best basketball conference, but unfortunately that doesn't help their football. So, odds are less than 5% of that happening.
 
No thanks to the Big 12 and ACC. Big 12 would be great for basketball, but so is the Big East and we actually have history with BE schools. The only Big 12 schools I give a crap about in basketball are Kansas, Baylor, and maybe WVU. That conference will become meaningless in football once Texas and OU leave. We obviously have a lot of history with some of the ACC schools, but no one knows if that conference will get gutted or not, rather not take the chance. B1G would be a great fit, but they will never take us with how bad the football program is and how little potential it has. I know that football rules the college landscape, but after learning the hard way with the AAC debacle, we need to first and foremost ensure that our basketball programs are set up to continue dominating.
People need to stop bringing up the AAC like that was some choice. It was what the Big East became. I guess you can call it choice in that UConn stayed there to collect the money from tournament units, bowl payouts and naming rights to the new Big East, but the 2nd TV contract pretty much said this isn't a fit for us and the school did the right thing. An invite to ANY P5 conference is not the same thing as the AAC.

Big East is a great spot to be in no doubt, but open minds should be kept for other great spots.
 
If this flirtation with the B12 doesn't yield an emergency invite by the ACC, then hopefully it comes together and with the concept of adding some of the old guard BE schools as BB only. Its a little scary to think about going all sports to the B12 on an island. You take it, because this state cannot refuse the significant revenue upgrade, but it might work better for us if Nova, SJ and Gtown were part of the deal (isn't the vision here to fill MSG on occasion with UConn-Kansas, SJ- WVU, Nova-Baylor type games?). As for the rest of the BE, they will do fine - there will still be a couple conferences that are atop the BB only pool, but not in the power football pool. As for us, we cannot risk it - waiting around for a different bus... if the B12 comes our way, we have to get on.
 
Moving from the Big East to the ACC causes teams to suck.
Moving from the Big East to the ACC has a positive correlation to sucking.
Either way, Fork that!
Seriously though, there is more than enough reason to be concerned and UCONN is in a very strong position.
UCONN has been in the news more than any other university these past few weeks. It would be interesting if someone could quantify the value of that media bonus to the University and to the state.
$1.2 million per school over six years is the value of the big east NCAA tournament credits.

(You’re a presumption of causation above is unproven, just saying.)
 
If this flirtation with the B12 doesn't yield an emergency invite by the ACC, then hopefully it comes together and with the concept of adding some of the old guard BE schools as BB only. Its a little scary to think about going all sports to the B12 on an island. You take it, because this state cannot refuse the significant revenue upgrade, but it might work better for us if Nova, SJ and Gtown were part of the deal (isn't the vision here to fill MSG on occasion with UConn-Kansas and SJ- WVU type games). As for the rest of the BE, they will do fine - there will still be a couple conferences that are atop the BB only pool, but not in the power football pool. As for us, we cannot risk it - waiting around for a different bus... if the B12 comes our way, we have to get on.
Agree, although I don’t think the math works for adding basketball only schools, for reasons I’ve discussed before.
 
Agree, although I don’t think the math works for adding basketball only schools, for reasons I’ve discussed before.
Yeah, it might not. Depends on what the BE is worth going forward and frankly that is hard to assess from the couch. Media folk have their prism, sometimes they over pay for a loss leader to anchor their platform and sometimes they operate on conservative value oriented metrics. Where the BE lands in this next contract is difficult to say at this hr. Need the P12 situation to resolve itself.
 
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$1.2 million per school over six years is the value of the big east NCAA tournament credits.

(You’re a presumption of causation above is unproven, just saying.)
And yet you equate our media boost to NCAA credits, just saying.

"Athletics are the front porch of the university. It's not the most important room in the house, but it is the most visible."
 
And yet you equate our media boost to NCAA credits, just saying.

"Athletics are the front porch of the university. It's not the most important room in the house, but it is the most visible."
No, I was just trying to answer your question. I didn’t understand what you meant by “media bonus.” Apparently what you meant was some notion of the brand value of winning another national championship. It definitely exists, but it is tough to quantify.
 
Moving from the Big East to the ACC causes teams to suck.
Moving from the Big East to the ACC has a positive correlation to sucking.
Either way, Fork that!
Seriously though, there is more than enough reason to be concerned and UCONN is in a very strong position.
UCONN has been in the news more than any other university these past few weeks. It would be interesting if someone could quantify the value of that media bonus to the University and to the state.

How many teams have voluntarily left a P5 conference for the NBE or any other non P5 conference? It’s a very short list for a reason.
 
Yeah, it might not. Depends on what the BE is worth going forward and frankly that is hard to assess from the couch. Media folk have their prism, sometimes they over pay for a loss leader to anchor their platform and sometimes they operate on conservative value oriented metrics. Where the BE lands in this next contract is difficult to say at this hr. Need the P12 situation to resolve itself.
Trying to quantify what would be “enough money” to justify a move to the big 12, I came up with this:

1) Best likely scenario for big east broadcast rate revenue in the new contract: $8M

2) Herbst said that by moving to the big east, we saved approximately $2 million a year in travel costs. Let’s assume that that would be the same as travel cost of the big 12, although it may be more.

3) Assuming the above points are correct a basketball only broadcast rights distribution in the big 12 of $10 million would be breakeven for any current Big East schools.

4) No school would move for breakeven, so the big 12 would have to be offering some significant amount above that to induce schools to move. Let’s assume that the lowest amount which would maybe make the move worthwhile is $12M. It may well need to be more than this.

5) Based upon Notre Dame’s deal with the ACC. The basketball only portion of a broadcast rates deal is worth no more than 20% of the whole.

6) In order to pay former big east conference schools $12 million as a basketball only, without diluting any schools existing shares, the big 12 would have to be earning $60 million per school in broadcast rights. It isn’t.

So, unless they find a media partner who is willing to pay the big east schools, more than fair market value, or unless the existing big 12 schools agree to take a reduced share to bring in the big east schools, the numbers don’t appear to work.

(It is possible, though that ESPN or fox might be willing to pay the top Big East schools a premium over FMV, because it will be cheaper than paying the entire conference 8 million per school.)
 
No, I was just trying to answer your question. I didn’t understand what you meant by “media bonus.” Apparently what you meant was some notion of the brand value of winning another national championship. It definitely exists, but it is tough to quantify.
I'm not saying turn down a nice offer. At the same time, there is the choice of going after the money and possibly sucking, ala SU and BCU. If you don't make the money in media rights fees but win natties, what's that worth? We don't know. But maybe it helps cover the deficit. Who knows, it's all a crap shoot. To @Beachview 's point, lots of SU posters are thinking of scenarios assuming the ACC dissolves and where to go from there. It's all good.
 
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