Awful teams

[cancontent]

@cancontent

Lattimore has been effusive on how UVA's Coach Mox has been straight forward and tough with her. Since a non-appearance during the ND game, Lattimore has played very well. Coach Mox should advise her to hang around Charlottesville one more year to get better and build up her skills/resume for the 2026 draft that will have two more teams choosing (after a new CBA deal).

Appreciate the insight. She needed some tough love from someone. From what I remember during high school and AAU, she was coddled. Not sure if she has any more eligibility. Thought Miami would apply for an exemption when she suffered the ACL when she first transfered there but her profile doesn't reference her being a redshirt.

 

[Dillon77]

Syracuse is a huge disappointment this season after what they did last year. Watching them consistently lose winnable games to “lesser” teams has been exhausting. They just look completely lost out on the floor. Not sure how much of that is on the coaches and how much of it is on the players (and their talent level/basketball IQ).

What a shame. I’ve been regretting my season ticket (with floor upgrade) purchase since November.

Not sure what it will take to right the ship.

From an opposition standpoint, I've also been perplexed and a bit disappointed in the "Cuse this year.

On one hand, they lost two players to eligibility, Alaina Rice and, of course, Dyaisha Fair who was the leader and go-to everything for that team. Howver, they also lost forward Alyssa Latham who had a stellar freshman year and looked set to have Liatu King-like performances for the Orange. But she transferred to another team that wears orange, Tennessee. Not sure this has benefitted she or the 'Cuse in that she only plays 13 minutes per game in Knoxville.

But this doesn't explain the lack of cohesiveness that you (and I) have witnessed. I might suggest that the absence of Sue Ludwig on the bench could also be a factor. Ludwig was a great high school coach who joined Legette-Jack when Coach Jack took over the reins. Don't know what role she played per se, but the team just looks off on details, something a former high school coach would stress.

Coach Legette-Jack will lose some more players after this year. She's got Sophie Burrows retuning, who has skills and moxie, but who will fill in the blanks?

 

[jake0414]

Yeah, there are teams that have a hard time winning games, and then there are teams that seem just about incapable of beating anyone. Several different levels of bad.

Looks like CSUB has a first year head coach, so probably isn't going to get fired already. Only the 4th coach in program history. Apparently they were fairly successful in D2. Some schools probably shouldn't move up to D1, this being a prime example.

Previous head coach is the father of former Stanford player Erica McCall. He lasted 13 years

Greg McCall also DeWanna Bonner’s father.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Speaking of a team that recently moved up to D1, Le Moyne is in the bottom half of the powerhouse NEC. 4-7 in conference and 4-20 overall. They had the honor of getting beaten up by Colorado and USC at the start of the season.

I haven’t been to a game all season. Though I might go see them play CCSU, who is actually in the upper half of their conference ... they’ve won a whopping total of 7 games this year. And one of those was against Le Moyne.

Can we just deregulate an entire conference?

Le Moyne beat Long Island 83-53 this morning. Ouch!

 

[DallasDomer]

It seems like cheating but I just looked at the bottom of Massey and came up with this. The teams don't really have any fans hereto comment but they qualify as awful.

Team	Record	Δ	Rat	Pwr	Off	Def	HFA	SoS	SSF	EW	EL
Correlation	790		1000	988	920	879	-326	858	855	325	-434
S Carolina St Mid-Eastern AC	2-24 0.077		362 4.43	362 16.61	362 68.70	334 12.99	2.93	336 33.40	332 33.66	0.43	3.57
Delaware St Mid-Eastern AC	5-19 0.208		361 4.55	361 18.33	354 72.93	356 10.48	2.89	360 27.14	358 27.57	0.81	3.19
UNC Asheville Big South	2-25 0.074		360 4.59	352 22.56	350 73.97	330 13.66	2.77	350 30.73	351 30.45	0.76	1.24
Chicago St Northeast	4-25 0.138		359 4.66	357 20.28	314 78.49	362 6.86	2.84	339 32.86	345 31.67	1.16	0.84
LIU Brooklyn Northeast	6-20 0.231		358 4.68	360 18.87	358 71.86	346 12.08	2.78	356 28.27	356 28.07	0.90	2.10
Wagner Northeast	7-18 0.280	-1	357 4.74	358 19.93	353 73.17	348 11.82	2.77	362 26.44	362 25.86	1.40	1.60
Le Moyne Northeast	5-21 0.192	+1	356 4.77	353 21.91	352 73.32	329 13.67	2.88	348 31.06	350 30.64	1.07	1.93
Niagara Metro Atlantic	1-23 0.042		355 4.80	338 26.54	271 81.28	357 10.34	2.81	281 36.31	296 35.40	1.59	2.41
American Univ Patriot League	1-25 0.038	-1	354 4.82	340 26.30	330 77.31	325 14.06	2.90	264 36.99	259 37.10	0.60	2.40
MS Valley St Southwestern AC	4-22 0.154	-2	353 4.88	356 20.88	335 77.16	360 8.78	2.82	283 36.15	299 35.29	0.88	2.12
Mercyhurst Penn St AC	8-16 0.333		352 4.88	354 21.88	338 76.66	358 10.29	2.66	361 26.83	361 26.28	1.11	0.89
Ark Pine Bluff Southwestern AC	3-22 0.120	-3	351 4.92	335 27.24	337 76.85	310 15.46	2.72	338 32.88	343 32.39	1.40	1.60
Alabama St Southwestern AC	6-21 0.222	-3	350 4.93	355 21.77	359 71.54	312 15.30	2.97	332 33.75	321 34.31	0.30

 

[GamecockFam]

It seems like cheating but I just looked at the bottom of Massey and came up with this. The teams don't really have any fans hereto comment but they qualify as awful.

Team	Record	Δ	Rat	Pwr	Off	Def	HFA	SoS	SSF	EW	EL
Correlation	790		1000	988	920	879	-326	858	855	325	-434
S Carolina St Mid-Eastern AC	2-24 0.077		362 4.43	362 16.61	362 68.70	334 12.99	2.93	336 33.40	332 33.66	0.43	3.57
Delaware St Mid-Eastern AC	5-19 0.208		361 4.55	361 18.33	354 72.93	356 10.48	2.89	360 27.14	358 27.57	0.81	3.19
UNC Asheville Big South	2-25 0.074		360 4.59	352 22.56	350 73.97	330 13.66	2.77	350 30.73	351 30.45	0.76	1.24
Chicago St Northeast	4-25 0.138		359 4.66	357 20.28	314 78.49	362 6.86	2.84	339 32.86	345 31.67	1.16	0.84
LIU Brooklyn Northeast	6-20 0.231		358 4.68	360 18.87	358 71.86	346 12.08	2.78	356 28.27	356 28.07	0.90	2.10
Wagner Northeast	7-18 0.280	-1	357 4.74	358 19.93	353 73.17	348 11.82	2.77	362 26.44	362 25.86	1.40	1.60
Le Moyne Northeast	5-21 0.192	+1	356 4.77	353 21.91	352 73.32	329 13.67	2.88	348 31.06	350 30.64	1.07	1.93
Niagara Metro Atlantic	1-23 0.042		355 4.80	338 26.54	271 81.28	357 10.34	2.81	281 36.31	296 35.40	1.59	2.41
American Univ Patriot League	1-25 0.038	-1	354 4.82	340 26.30	330 77.31	325 14.06	2.90	264 36.99	259 37.10	0.60	2.40
MS Valley St Southwestern AC	4-22 0.154	-2	353 4.88	356 20.88	335 77.16	360 8.78	2.82	283 36.15	299 35.29	0.88	2.12
Mercyhurst Penn St AC	8-16 0.333		352 4.88	354 21.88	338 76.66	358 10.29	2.66	361 26.83	361 26.28	1.11	0.89
Ark Pine Bluff Southwestern AC	3-22 0.120	-3	351 4.92	335 27.24	337 76.85	310 15.46	2.72	338 32.88	343 32.39	1.40	1.60
Alabama St Southwestern AC	6-21 0.222	-3	350 4.93	355 21.77	359 71.54	312 15.30	2.97	332 33.75	321 34.31	0.30

I like this idea but I think the poster is focusing on the terrible teams from the major conferences. I took your idea and did some modifications. Since there are 79 total teams in the Power 4 + Big East I decided that any team with a Massey rating of 80 or lower is considered an "awful" team. With that criteria, the following is a list of awful team:

81 BYU
82 Missouri
---- BOTTOM 25% ----
83 Boston College
84 Penn St
93 Georgia
94 St John's
---- BOTTOM 20% ----
95 Wisconsin
101 Purdue
103 Wake Forest
105 Arkansas
107 Depaul
108 UCF
111 SMU
114 Northwestern
---- BOTTOM 10% ---
115 Rutgers
116 Arizona State
118 Georgetown
119 Butler
122 Pittsburgh
139 Providence
155 Houston
244 Xavier

This makes up 22 of the 79 teams (aka the bottom 28%). Thinking in terms of a bell curve, I think that is a little too many teams in the "awful" category, so I broke it up into percentiles. To me, the bottom 10% seems like a more reasonable metric.

Edit: I colored each team by conference.

 

[dws3665]

Did you omit TAMU? Or is their fall more recent? Looks like Mizzou has inched up slightly.

 

[GamecockFam]

Did you omit TAMU? Or is their fall more recent? Looks like Mizzou has inched up slightly.

They were not below 79 at the time I made the list. I see they're sitting at 82 today (and flip flopped places with Mizzou who is now ranked 78). I'll revisit it at the end of the regular season but I am not keeping up with it from week to week.

 

[triaddukefan]

It seems like cheating but I just looked at the bottom of Massey and came up with this. The teams don't really have any fans hereto comment but they qualify as awful.

Team	Record	Δ	Rat	Pwr	Off	Def	HFA	SoS	SSF	EW	EL
Correlation	790		1000	988	920	879	-326	858	855	325	-434
S Carolina St Mid-Eastern AC	2-24 0.077		362 4.43	362 16.61	362 68.70	334 12.99	2.93	336 33.40	332 33.66	0.43	3.57
Delaware St Mid-Eastern AC	5-19 0.208		361 4.55	361 18.33	354 72.93	356 10.48	2.89	360 27.14	358 27.57	0.81	3.19
UNC Asheville Big South	2-25 0.074		360 4.59	352 22.56	350 73.97	330 13.66	2.77	350 30.73	351 30.45	0.76	1.24
Chicago St Northeast	4-25 0.138		359 4.66	357 20.28	314 78.49	362 6.86	2.84	339 32.86	345 31.67	1.16	0.84
LIU Brooklyn Northeast	6-20 0.231		358 4.68	360 18.87	358 71.86	346 12.08	2.78	356 28.27	356 28.07	0.90	2.10
Wagner Northeast	7-18 0.280	-1	357 4.74	358 19.93	353 73.17	348 11.82	2.77	362 26.44	362 25.86	1.40	1.60
Le Moyne Northeast	5-21 0.192	+1	356 4.77	353 21.91	352 73.32	329 13.67	2.88	348 31.06	350 30.64	1.07	1.93
Niagara Metro Atlantic	1-23 0.042		355 4.80	338 26.54	271 81.28	357 10.34	2.81	281 36.31	296 35.40	1.59	2.41
American Univ Patriot League	1-25 0.038	-1	354 4.82	340 26.30	330 77.31	325 14.06	2.90	264 36.99	259 37.10	0.60	2.40
MS Valley St Southwestern AC	4-22 0.154	-2	353 4.88	356 20.88	335 77.16	360 8.78	2.82	283 36.15	299 35.29	0.88	2.12
Mercyhurst Penn St AC	8-16 0.333		352 4.88	354 21.88	338 76.66	358 10.29	2.66	361 26.83	361 26.28	1.11	0.89
Ark Pine Bluff Southwestern AC	3-22 0.120	-3	351 4.92	335 27.24	337 76.85	310 15.46	2.72	338 32.88	343 32.39	1.40	1.60
Alabama St Southwestern AC	6-21 0.222	-3	350 4.93	355 21.77	359 71.54	312 15.30	2.97	332 33.75	321 34.31	0.30

UNC-Asheville has a fan on here.

My Bulldogs

 

[triaddukefan]

@KnightBridgeAZ You might be right after all. Sad to say, but SMU is probably awful Season is over, they finished 18th in the ACC out of 18 teams and don't qualify for the conference tournament. 14 straight losses

I was looking forward to buying some SMU gear and showing up to support them here in Greensboro. I'll save that 50 bucks and use it for lunch instead

 

[nwhoopfan]

I'll save that 50 bucks and use it for lunch instead

I hope you get a fantastic meal for $50.

 

[triaddukefan]

I hope you get a fantastic meal for $50.

that's two lunches. I have a ..... healthy appetite

 

[GamecockFam]

I like this idea but I think the poster is focusing on the terrible teams from the major conferences. I took your idea and did some modifications. Since there are 79 total teams in the Power 4 + Big East I decided that any team with a Massey rating of 80 or lower is considered an "awful" team. With that criteria, the following is a list of awful team:

81 BYU
82 Missouri
---- BOTTOM 25% ----
83 Boston College
84 Penn St
93 Georgia
94 St John's
---- BOTTOM 20% ----
95 Wisconsin
101 Purdue
103 Wake Forest
105 Arkansas
107 Depaul
108 UCF
111 SMU
114 Northwestern
---- BOTTOM 10% ---
115 Rutgers
116 Arizona State
118 Georgetown
119 Butler
122 Pittsburgh
139 Providence
155 Houston
244 Xavier

This makes up 22 of the 79 teams (aka the bottom 28%). Thinking in terms of a bell curve, I think that is a little too many teams in the "awful" category, so I broke it up into percentiles. To me, the bottom 10% seems like a more reasonable metric.

Edit: I colored each team by conference.

Now that the regular season has ended, here are the final rankings of "awful" teams:

80 Missouri
82 BYU
---- Bottom 25% ----
86 Georgia
87 Texas A&M
90 Penn State
95 Wisconsin
---- Bottom 20% ----
99 St. John's
100 Purdue
104 Arkansas
105 UCF
107 Depaul
109 Wake Forest
110 Rutgers
111 Pittsburgh
---- Bottom 10% ----
114 Arizona State
115 SMU
117 Northwestern
118 Butler
127 Georgetown
129 Providence
162 Houston
245 Xavier

 

[GamecockFam]

Now that the regular season has ended, here are the final rankings of "awful" teams:

80 Missouri
82 BYU
---- Bottom 25% ----
86 Georgia
87 Texas A&M
90 Penn State
95 Wisconsin
---- Bottom 20% ----
99 St. John's
100 Purdue
104 Arkansas
105 UCF
107 Depaul
109 Wake Forest
110 Rutgers
111 Pittsburgh
---- Bottom 10% ----
114 Arizona State
115 SMU
117 Northwestern
118 Butler
127 Georgetown
129 Providence
162 Houston
245 Xavier

So to go with the postseason accolades theme:

Worst Team Award:
Last Place: Xavier
2nd to Last: Houston
3rd to Last: Providence

Conference with the most awful teams:
Big East (6 out of 11 teams / 55% of Conference)
Big 10 (5 out of 18 / 28%)
SEC / Big 12 (4 out of 16 / 25%)
ACC (3 out of 18 / 17%)

Worst Team in each conference:

ACC:
Last Place: SMU
Runner Up: Pitt

Big East:
Last Place: Xavier
Runner Up: Providence

Big 10:
Last Place: Northwestern
Runner Up: Rutgers

Big 12:
Last Place: Houston
Runner Up: Arizona State

SEC:
Last Place: Arkansas
Runner Up: Texas A&M

 

[azfan]

So to go with the postseason accolades:

Big 12:
Last Place: Houston
Runner Up: Arizona State

SEC:
Last Place: Arkansas
Runner Up: Texas A&M

Soooo appropriate. The Sun Devils runner-ups which comes close to capturing their performance in each game they play.

How many of these coaches will be shown the door now?

I'm pretty sure Tempe will be subjected to the nice coach from Delaware and 2021 CAA coach of the year for the final year of her contract which will allow her to accumulate 80 losses in 4 years. That's got to be close to a record for a power 4 conference coach at the same school.

 

[maple]

So to go with the postseason accolades theme:

Worst Team Award:
Last Place: Xavier

Poor Xavier. Picked last in the BE in pre-season polls and then actually is last at the end of the season.

Well, I guess there's nowhere to go but up!

 

[temery]

Two weeks to discuss this is more than enough.

Personally, I've always loathed posts about awful teams, team I love to hate, players and coaches I love to hate, etc. etc. etc...

Thread locked.