At FSU the knives are out for Jimbo Fisher(24-9 )yet fans of UConn are told to sit down and shut up

[EdgewoodNHV]

Loop I can't let that one go. GDL is no way, shape or form capable of doing 1/1000th the things Chip Kelly does. The only thing that would be interesting about GDL coaching Oregon's offense is how fast he could get them into the bottom third of NCAA offenses.

Nobody said he could. But it would be interesting to know. Because we only know what GDL + our talent looks like.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Our QB only really gets to throw on 3rd and 14. DeLeone does a great job in setting him up for success.

Not even close to true. Whitmer threw a pick on like the 3 yard line against WMU. He makes some terrible choices. And even if it's 3rd and 14, you don't have to force the ball.

 

[whaler11]

Not even close to true. Whitmer threw a pick on like the 3 yard line against WMU. He makes some terrible choices. And even if it's 3rd and 14, you don't have to force the ball.

Which has been communicated was Williams' mistake.

 

[specialisthusky]

I'm not saying GDL is great, but I'm saying that there are a multitude of problems with this offense and they aren't all on him.

Point made but he is directly incharge of the o-line that your unhappy with, and the play calling that everyone else is unhappy with.

 

[ZooCougar]

Not even close to true. Whitmer threw a pick on like the 3 yard line against WMU. He makes some terrible choices. And even if it's 3rd and 14, you don't have to force the ball.

You also don't have to call a run up the middle on every first down. Or pull the QB every time he makes a good play so that he never gets a chance to capitalize on his momentum. Justify that.

You obviously never watched a DeLeone offense. They are all carbon copies of each other, and none of them look good.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I'm not saying GDL is great, but I'm saying that there are a multitude of problems with this offense and they aren't all on him.

I don't disagree with this statement but it's a lot easier to make an OC change than it is to upgrade the talent through recruiting. I see very little reason to keep GDL around any longer.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Point made but he is directly incharge of the o-line that your unhappy with, and the play calling that everyone else is unhappy with.

Hey, I hated the playcalling for our last coach, too, but he got us to a BCS bowl game. I'm just saying that sports are like politics: people want easy answers and make generalized statements and generally look for someone very specific to blame, but the truth is generally more complex and involves many shades of gray and I think people need to back up and take a look at the bigger picture here.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

I don't disagree with this statement but it's a lot easier to make an OC change than it is to upgrade the talent through recruiting. I see very little reason to keep GDL around any longer.

I still think the cost of creating an entirely new offensive system midseason is greater than whatever benefit we get from firing GDL for the rest of the year. But people act like this kind of opinion can only be held by someone with brain damage, which seems ridiculous.

I mean, this isn't the Cesspool, people. It's okay for reasonable people to disagree about stuff.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

You also don't have to call a run up the middle on every first down. Or pull the QB every time he makes a good play so that he never gets a chance to capitalize on his momentum. Justify that.

You obviously never watched a DeLeone offense. They are all carbon copies of each other, and none of them look good.

No, you don't. And I don't think DeLeone is a great OC.

But I think if we fire him midseason, things are going to get a lot worse, and I can't see any tangible benefit to be gained.

 

[huskymedic]

You fire the OC now so that you can have a chance to win, you wait until the season is ver to fire the head coach. You really don't know how this is done do you?

Well... it does work sometimes - not all times but sometimes. OC needs to be scapegoat this year.

As noted yesterday - Mark Ennis ‏@Mengus22
Remember when Houston lost to Texas St. in the opener and fired its off. coordinator? UH had 623 yards in a win over N. Texas Saturday.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I'm still not convinced the OC is totally at fault. The talent level on our offense is.... pretty spectacularly bad. It'd be interesting to see what GDL could do with, say, Oregon's personnel. But we'll never know, so we might as well blame the OC a year and a half into his tenure, I guess.

Has the talent level fallen off so badly from our Fiesta Bowl appearance that we are no longer capable of putting together a two game winning streak?

 

[ZooCougar]

Well... it does work sometimes - not all times but sometimes. OC needs to be scapegoat this year.

As noted yesterday - Mark Ennis ‏@Mengus22
Remember when Houston lost to Texas St. in the opener and fired its off. coordinator? UH had 623 yards in a win over N. Texas Saturday.

Lol, DeLeone needs at least three games in Big East play to get to 623 yards.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Has the talent level fallen off so badly from our Fiesta Bowl appearance that we are no longer capable of putting together a two game winning streak?

Looking at the O-line now vs. then and Jordan Todman vs. Lyle McCombs, my thought is.. well.. yeah, it's certainly possible.

 

[ZooCougar]

No, you don't. And I don't think DeLeone is a great OC.

But I think if we fire him midseason, things are going to get a lot worse, and I can't see any tangible benefit to be gained.

Firing a bad OC midseason when you already having a terrible season, is a move that carries very little risk.

But don't worry, It won't happen, it would be like C3po firing r2d2.

 

[ruskin]

Loop, the bottom line is GDL had a well-established track record of awful results long before he got here. That PP brought him along is the worst example of old-boy-network coaching cronyism. I don't see the vast talent dropoff on the line that you do; I do a scheme that is a terrible fit for the talent that is available. Counters/misdirection/inside traps/reach blocking would work but apparently that's not GDL's approach. And now we're paying the price.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Loop, the bottom line is GDL had a well-established track record of awful results long before he got here. That PP brought him along is the worst example of old-boy-network coaching cronyism. I don't see the vast talent dropoff on the line that you do; I do a scheme that is a terrible fit for the talent that is available. Counters/misdirection/inside traps/reach blocking would work but apparently that's not GDL's approach. And now we're paying the price.

Didn't GDL oversee some great seasons at Syracuse or am I missing something?

 

[J187Money]

I don't think that any team in the country (other than maybe 3 or 4 teams going into a particular year) should have any expectations greater than double digit wins and winning their conference (which will generally put them in the top 10 and give them a BCS game). College football (and the NFL for that matter) is such that it is tough to win road games against "good" teams in conference. Nobody should "expect" to win a NC or "expect" to go undefeated. So if FSU goes 11-2/12-1 and ends up in the top 10 and wins the ACC? I think they have no reason to be upset at all. There is always a good bit of luck (and help) that has to happen to get into the NC game anyway.

 

[sdhusky]

Didn't GDL oversee some great seasons at Syracuse or am I missing something?

GDL oversaw the decline of the SU offense.

He wasn't OC during PP's best years (except for the defense dominated team with Dwight Freeney)

 

[Mr.Phat]

Right, no matter how stupid those expectations might be.

Nothing wrong with using greatness as a benchmark to establish goals and objectives as a path to improvement, seeing as how much improvement this team needs. Who should the football team use as a role model, UMass?

 

[J187Money]

Nothing wrong with using greatness as a benchmark to establish goals and objectives as a path to improvement, seeing as how much improvement this team needs. Who should the football team use as a role model, UMass?

Maybe the BY members should use "rich enough to buy out bad coaches" as a benchmark to run their personal lives. Maybe we'd get somewhere.

 

[freescooter]

I think there are a few things happening here, and to a degree it isn't entirely Deleone's fault exactly.
1.He came in with a program to change to approach to offensive football. You can argue that it was a bad decision, but we have gone from being a smash mouth team to a finesse team, and it hasn't been a smooth transition at all. Both approaches can be effective, for what its worth. But whether we don't have the players or it isn't being taught right or it is just not falling into place yet, it is clear that this switch has had a significant negative effect on the offensive line play. I'm not sure it is entirely DeLeone's fault this isn't working. But at least so far, the new approach isn't coming together. Pitt went through a similar , if reverse, change under Wanstadt and struggled for a couple of years moving from a finesse sytem to a more power oriented approach.
2. We are not overloaded with offensive fire power. To some extent this falls at the feet of the previous staff. Remember, Pasquoloni and co have had exactly 1 recruiting class. The 2011 class was identified and offered by Edsall. We have some good to very good defensive players, but Edsall simply did not recruit many top notch offensive players at skill positions. the sole exception was at running back, and McCombs is at worst adequate, though I'm not sure there is mcuh behind him. I know they have had limited work, but neither of the 2 backups seem much more than role players to me. Beyond him, though, the quality isn't there at any skill position. We'll have to see about Joe Williams as a running back. And its clear that the quarterback situation was a mess and there was little on the bench after Frazer left. Box is a backup in D2, Nebrich is a backup in 1AA. McCumming is what he is. Whitmer has some skills but seems not to make good decisions yet. Though I remember the Nassim really struggling as a freshman. I'd take him today. that is my hope for Whitmer.
3. The one area where I do think the staff,DeLeone in particular has failed is in not making the best use of the guys he has. We appear to have possession type recievers, so why not throw short quick stuff. We have a smallish tailback, so why not try and get him outside a little more or get him the football more as a reciever out of the backfield...more like the Eagles (Philly, not BC)used Westbrook in his prime. On the other hand, the problem with that line of thinking is that if you are determined to put in a pretty dramatically different system, I'm not sure you can do it and play to the strengths of your current roster, recruited by someone else to play a different system. It just may be a square peg round hole problem.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Looking at the O-line now vs. then and Jordan Todman vs. Lyle McCombs, my thought is.. well.. yeah, it's certainly possible.

What about the O-Line in 2011 vs 2010?

Keep in mind that my initial post wasn't expecting a BCS bowl appwearance, merely stringing together more than one win in a row.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Scooter, I believe the one spot on offense where we absolutely haven't utilized our talent is at TE and specifically Ryan Griffin. I'm guessing (no inside info here at all) that there is some personal reason that GD has limited RG's presence in our offense and considering what he has done when the ball is thrown his way it is a crime that he has seen so few passes.

 

[Adios]

 

[J187Money]

Scooter, I believe the one spot on offense where we absolutely haven't utilized our talent is at TE and specifically Ryan Griffin. I'm guessing (no inside info here at all) that there is some personal reason that GD has limited RG's presence in our offense and considering what he has done when the ball is thrown his way it is a crime that he has seen so few passes.

Personal reasons?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Personal reasons?

Again I am guessing but I believe that there is some personal issue that the staff is holding against RG. I cannot logically see any other reason why he has had such a minimal role in our offense.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Ok. Maybe I'll ask his dad if he thinks that on Saturday.

I know Joe pretty well but have intentionally not asked this as it would put him in a very difficult position.

 

[Adios]

RG's father is wicked cool.

 

[mattp]

You're not? Our offense was brutal last year. This is year 2 in his system, and he expanded his responsibilities to include the OL. Our QB is better this year. And yet we've regressed so much on offense that it's embarrassing. This team is not playing to its talent level. We don't have the best athletes in the world, but they are better than the results we've seen.

Fire DeLeone now. And if things don't improve significantly in the next month and a half, P won't be far behind.

The most frustrating part for me is that I thought he did a good job last year. We had a decent but not great RB, a walk-on QB, and he cobbled together a decent looking offense. Obviously it was lousy at times, but I thought he did well with what he had, which wasn't much. Now we seemingly have more and we've regressed. And you can't blame it on execution when 80% of our drives are run up the middle, run up the middle, pass on third and long. It's not like our 1st down runs are getting us to 2nd and 5 or 6 like they did in Edsall's day, they're getting us 2nd and 8 if we're lucky and I'd guess that more often than not they result in a loss or no gain.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Rumrunner, now you know that this is not the fan base to make such a point. Do I think UConn is anywhere on par with FSU - of course not. But can it be doable in the future? Who among us saw one (let alone three) national championships in basketball back in the 70s?

I do get your point, FSU fans immediately growing impatient with Fisher (saw the same thing in Florida after Spurrier left) very quickly. . . . and yet at UConn fans are reluctant to think along those same lines. Why, because UConn isn't FSU at the present?

HCPP is going to drag this program down and set it back many, many years. But folks will continue to cloud the issue, insuating that you are comparing FSU to UConn, when nots simply not the point.