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UConnCat said:
Oh my. She smiled for a photo. That settles it. She's ND-bound.

I would be very surprised it she chose Louisville.
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I never said all that...just a bit of banter that's all.
 
John Glass said:
DeGrate is an impact post player ? really, I have not seen her rated very high anywhere.

if Louisville is going to contend for a National Championship they need a lot of help inside
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Jeff Walz has been a master of getting the most out of 6-1/6-2 players who can use to as part of a five-out, motion offense, where the de facto post players (PF and C types) are tremendous outside threats, both from the midrange (outside the paint) and from three - Antonia Slaughter, Sara Hammond, Asia Taylor, etc., but also going back to players like Candyce Bingham (part of the two-player tandem with Angel McCoughtry on the 2009 Final Four team), Monique Reid, etc.

His offense is very versatile, in that it allows a lot of freedom for creative players and creators (e.g., Shoni Schimmel, Angel McCoughtry), but it also maximizes mismatches and matchups but drawing out these 6-1/6-2 players and making them outside threats. It is a very diverse offense (this is something Gail Goestenkors used to do with players like Alison Bales in the high post and Iciss Tillis from the perimeter), and he has been very successful with it.

DeGrate is important because the team needs size, for defense and rebounding (and to at least be a threat on offense so teams cannot lay off and Louisville does not have to play 4-on-5). Her skillset is going to be very complementary to the Cardinals' roster of wings, combo forwards, and fluid 6-1/6-2 types. While her ranking may not be that high, it is about the fit...and the fit with Louisville is perfect.

Side note...Had Mercedes Russell picked Louisville, it would not have been an issue. And I think Russell would have been a better fit with Louisville with her skillset than Tennessee. Not saying she will not be a great player with the Lady Vols; it is just my opinion that her skillset is better suited toward Walz's system.
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
Jeff Walz has been a master of getting the most out of 6-1/6-2 players who can use to as part of a five-out, motion offense, where the de facto post players (PF and C types) are tremendous outside threats, both from the midrange (outside the paint) and from three - Antonia Slaughter, Sara Hammond, Asia Taylor, etc., but also
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I agree with everything but listing Hammond in that group. She has a decent mid-range shot but only shot 28% on 3's last year, 21% her soph year and 20% her freshman year. Far from a tremendous outside threat.
 
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doggydaddy said:
I agree with everything but listing Hammond in that group. She has a decent mid-range shot but only shot 28% on 3's last year, 21% her soph year and 20% her freshman year. Far from a tremendous outside threat.
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"Outside shot" refers to "outside the paint." I was referring to the group collectively as both, but you are right in that Hammond's three point shot is not as good as her mid-range game.
 
doggydaddy said:
I agree with everything but listing Hammond in that group. She has a decent mid-range shot but only shot 28% on 3's last year, 21% her soph year and 20% her freshman year. Far from a tremendous outside threat.
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Hammond took only 36 three-pointers last year and 33 her soph season. Asia Taylor took one last year. Louisville's threats from beyond the arc were its guards: Shoni, Gibbs, Slaughter and JudeS. Taylor had a decent 12-foot shot which UConn was willing to concede. Geno's approach to defending L'ville was to limit the 3s from its guards knowing it would never make enough 2-pointers to win.
 
UConnCat said:
Hammond took only 36 three-pointers last year and 33 her soph season. Asia Taylor took one last year. Louisville's threats from beyond the arc were its guards: Shoni, Gibbs, Slaughter and JudeS. Taylor had a decent 12-foot shot which UConn was willing to concede. Geno's approach to defending L'ville was to limit the 3s from its guards knowing it would never make enough 2-pointers to win.
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Yeah, I didn't look up Taylor. And you are correct. Slaughter is listed as a guard.
 
Cam, I like your stuff. I have seen Louisville play in person around 10 times. I don't agree that the offense has freedom. They run a ton of sets and he calls out the play on most possessions. He sort if reminds me of Harry P from Villanova with how he is very controlling of the players. They have had success with it, so it has worked.
 
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let's be careful about the academic wasteland comment...it clearly is a situation where other factors mattered more to her than the academics. Quite frankly and with all due respect to UConn's #19 public univ ranking, one could make an analogy to KLS choosing UConn over Stanford.
 
Outside Shot said:
Cam, I like your stuff. I have seen Louisville play in person around 10 times. I don't agree that the offense has freedom. They run a ton of sets and he calls out the play on most possessions. He sort if reminds me of Harry P from Villanova with how he is very controlling of the players. They have had success with it, so it has worked.
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The irony being that Harry P's offense has a lot of freedom, in terms of versatility of players, shot selection, etc.

Running set plays is not the same as an offense not having freedom. For example, Shoni Schimmel and Angel McCoughtry had longer leashes (especially in their respective senior seasons) to dictate the offense, rather than going through set plays, because they were the creators (for themselves and others). Additionally, inverting the guards/forwards in terms of expected shot selection, etc., is part of offensive freedom.

As an example, at Duke, McCallie wants guard to shoot from the outside and post players to be inside (with a post player only venturing out of the paint in a bigger zone on defense, by being placed at the foul line and extended beyond). Walz uses the existing skills his players have and develop their versatility, especially with his forwards (the 6-1/6-2 types I mentioned in my original post in this thread). He takes advantages of mismatches and forces teams to adjust to him. This is why Duke is a much easier team to defend for opposing coaches because there is not the offensive variety or the "unexpected" for which they have to prepare.

Re-reading your post, I see what you are saying. Walz is dictating a good amount, but he gives his players the freedom to maximize their skills, rather than delineating their roles solely based on designated position.
 
Gate81 said:
let's be careful about the academic wasteland comment...it clearly is a situation where other factors mattered more to her than the academics. Quite frankly and with all due respect to UConn's #19 public univ ranking, one could make an analogy to KLS choosing UConn over Stanford.
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One could, but they'd be wrong.

Using the entire rankings, Stanford is 4 and Uconn is 58.

Looking at Durr's choices, Duke is 8, Notre Dame is 16, Maryland is 62, Baylor is 68.

Louisville is 161.

Wasteland might be a little harsh, but it's not far off.
 
doggydaddy said:
One could, but they'd be wrong.

Using the entire rankings, Stanford is 4 and Uconn is 58.

Looking at Durr's choices, Duke is 8, Notre Dame is 16, Maryland is 62, Baylor is 68.

Louisville is 161.

Wasteland might be a little harsh, but it's not far off.
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DD is right, KLS family is obviously very smart and realized they wanted great coaching and academics!

Sorry couldn't help myself!
 
just making the relative point that one school is way better academically than the other so the academics were not the driving factor. UConn at 58 is 14.5* the numerical academic ranking of Stanford in the example above. Let's say she didn't want to go to Duke because she wasn't comfortable with the coaching caliber, then her best option was Notre Dame at 16. Multiply that by 14.5 and you get -- 232...so relatively speaking she gave up LESS academically with her decision than KLS did.

Which do you think is a greater differential when applying for a job or having on your resume OUTSIDE OF BBALL: Notre Dame vs. Louisville, or Stanford vs. UConn?
I know people here are UConn basketball fans but the point mentioned was an ACADEMIC comparison. Besides, Shoni apparently was a good student but she wanted a particular situation so chose Louisville.

Just saying we should not throw stones....
 
Huh???Take the top 25 girls with the highest SAT scores who are good enough for D1. Give them a choice of 3 schools UC, Stanford or LLC. Assuming they all would play , how many would pick LLC? Point made. A girl who can enroll at UC Duke or ND chooses LLC? MIND BOGGLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(:(:(
 
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We'll just have to disagree on this one.

CamrnCrz1974 said:
The irony being that Harry P's offense has a lot of freedom, in terms of versatility of players, shot selection, etc.

Running set plays is not the same as an offense not having freedom. For example, Shoni Schimmel and Angel McCoughtry had longer leashes (especially in their respective senior seasons) to dictate the offense, rather than going through set plays, because they were the creators (for themselves and others). Additionally, inverting the guards/forwards in terms of expected shot selection, etc., is part of offensive freedom.

As an example, at Duke, McCallie wants guard to shoot from the outside and post players to be inside (with a post player only venturing out of the paint in a bigger zone on defense, by being placed at the foul line and extended beyond). Walz uses the existing skills his players have and develop their versatility, especially with his forwards (the 6-1/6-2 types I mentioned in my original post in this thread). He takes advantages of mismatches and forces teams to adjust to him. This is why Duke is a much easier team to defend for opposing coaches because there is not the offensive variety or the "unexpected" for which they have to prepare.

Re-reading your post, I see what you are saying. Walz is dictating a good amount, but he gives his players the freedom to maximize their skills, rather than delineating their roles solely based on designated position.
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Gate81 said:
just making the relative point that one school is way better academically than the other so the academics were not the driving factor. UConn at 58 is 14.5* the numerical academic ranking of Stanford in the example above. Let's say she didn't want to go to Duke because she wasn't comfortable with the coaching caliber, then her best option was Notre Dame at 16. Multiply that by 14.5 and you get -- 232...so relatively speaking she gave up LESS academically with her decision than KLS did.

Which do you think is a greater differential when applying for a job or having on your resume OUTSIDE OF BBALL: Notre Dame vs. Louisville, or Stanford vs. UConn?
I know people here are UConn basketball fans but the point mentioned was an ACADEMIC comparison. Besides, Shoni apparently was a good student but she wanted a particular situation so chose Louisville.

Just saying we should not throw stones....
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Your "multiple" example doesn't hold water. Let's say the recruit turned down the #1 academic school to play for the #20 school. 20 times in your analogy.
Is that the same as turning down Duke (#8) for Louisville at #161. Arithmetically, virtually the same difference. But would anybody actually think that way ?
 
Husky1964 said:
Huh???Take the top 25 girls with the highest SAT scores who are good enough for D1. Give them a choice of 3 schools UC, Stanford or LLC. Assuming they all would play , how many would pick LLC? Point made. A girl who can enroll at UC Duke or ND chooses LLC? MIND BOGGLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(:(:(
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Umm, they probably like Jeff Waltz more than MM, JPM, or Tara. I know I do.
 
Gate81 said:
just making the relative point that one school is way better academically than the other so the academics were not the driving factor. UConn at 58 is 14.5* the numerical academic ranking of Stanford in the example above. Let's say she didn't want to go to Duke because she wasn't comfortable with the coaching caliber, then her best option was Notre Dame at 16. Multiply that by 14.5 and you get -- 232...so relatively speaking she gave up LESS academically with her decision than KLS did.

Which do you think is a greater differential when applying for a job or having on your resume OUTSIDE OF BBALL: Notre Dame vs. Louisville, or Stanford vs. UConn?
I know people here are UConn basketball fans but the point mentioned was an ACADEMIC comparison. Besides, Shoni apparently was a good student but she wanted a particular situation so chose Louisville.

Just saying we should not throw stones....
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I can't disagree about the fact that academics were not a factor in her decision. But I wholeheartedly disagree with how you are trying to calculate a differential. Why use a multiplier? Why not just look at the difference in the two numbers?

Stanford 4 vs Uconn 58 is a 54 differential in their rankings.
ND 16 vs UL 161 is a 145 differential. And a 103 differential with Uconn. And Uconn is investing millions on upgrading the university, working towards AAU status.

It's clear that the poster that called it a wasteland hit a nerve.
 
doggydaddy said:
I can't disagree about the fact that academics were not a factor in her decision. But I wholeheartedly disagree with how you are trying to calculate a differential. Why use a multiplier? Why not just look at the difference in the two numbers?

Stanford 4 vs Uconn 58 is a 54 differential in their rankings.
ND 16 vs UL 161 is a 145 differential. And a 103 differential with Uconn. And Uconn is investing millions on upgrading the university, working towards AAU status.

It's clear that the poster that called it a wasteland hit a nerve.
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Could care less about the wasteland comment, but the way the rankings go, I'd think there'd be a much bigger difference between the top schools and everyone in the middle. A school ranked 100 probably doesn't differ all that significantly to one that's ranked 150. But the gulf between number 1 and number 50 appears to be wide. UCONN has had a lot of nice upgrades and advancements, but it is outclassed by Stanford on most levels (academically speaking).

All that said, these rankings are extremely subjective anyway. None of this matters much, as you can get a great education at most places if you put the effort into it.
 
doggydaddy said:
I can't disagree about the fact that academics were not a factor in her decision. But I wholeheartedly disagree with how you are trying to calculate a differential. Why use a multiplier? Why not just look at the difference in the two numbers?

Stanford 4 vs Uconn 58 is a 54 differential in their rankings.
ND 16 vs UL 161 is a 145 differential. And a 103 differential with Uconn. And Uconn is investing millions on upgrading the university, working towards AAU status.

It's clear that the poster that called it a wasteland hit a nerve.
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Because the objective was to make 54 > 145. The multiplier is nonsensical as shown by the earlier post.
 
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Asia Durr should be a great college player, but her committing to Louisville does not affect UConn in the least. To Notre Dame or Tennessee, yes. But to Louisville, no.
 
Yeah this academic talk..... I could write a thesis on it..... that ACC conference..... billing itself as the academic giant to rival the Big 10, gladly accepting #161 LVille.... it is where college sports have gone..... having said that LVille is a fine school and Asia will do well there.... Jeff has been there .....what 7 or 8 yrs now..... this is the time when he should be starting to really make his mark and i am sure he will..... like the other posters I am a jeff fan and i think he will find great success.....

With the Dolson talk back and forth, I think I remember Geno saying he admired her hustle and grit....apart from others...... and we all know that with any incoming player, especially a post player.... it is a crapshoot as to whether they will develop, or if they do, how well they do......

With LVille in ACC, ND also, and UNC Duke etc.... that should be a good conference to watch.... I would want to watch them before USC/UT/KY?LSU, I think......
 
multiplier vs absolute difference because a difference of 20 is far more meaningful going from 4 to 24 than from say 141 to 161.
that's the key. not worth discussing anymore for those who don't agree with the subtlety here.

just trust the point that insulting Louisville can bring the same insult on nearly anyone else relative to other schools' academics and call it a day. I do find it interesting that Jeff is having incredible success recruiting in this class. Is it something about the school? his charisma? his being a male coach that brings comfort to some parents or kids? -- which of course opens a whole big can of gender discussion worms.
 
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