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champs99and04 said:
Put Kobe on some of those Cleveland teams, and they're a six or seven seed, IMO.
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I agree. I think Kobe is, historically speaking, overrated.

He's a Hall of Fame 2-guard, but he's not among the best ever the way LeBron will be if his career stays at this level for a few more years.
 
Does James Harden have money on the heat? Missing everything.
 
nomar said:
Does James Harden have money on the heat? Missing everything.
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If Thunder go down in flames in Miami, not sure you have to look much further than James Harden to understand why - he has horrible in the last two games. The guy just missed a layup.
 
Well Westbrook just undid a whole lot of the good he has done by being unaware of the clock situation.
 
For all those calling Thunder the better "team", take a look at tonight's box score. There are two guys and only two guys filling the entire stat sheet for the Thunder, meanwhile the Heat are getting contributions from a variety of role players.

The storyline in this series is that the supporting cast for OKC has done nothing. It's been a two man one on one show.
 
mets1090 said:
Well Westbrook just undid a whole lot of the good he has done by being unaware of the clock situation.
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It's tough with Westbrook - the guy is incredible, but as a shoot first PG, I get the sense that the rest of the team becomes disengaged on the offensive end and begins standing around watching the Russell Westbrook show. The unexplicable dribble off the foot when James went out and they were up two down the stretch was a momentum changer. That was a lost opportunity.
 
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RuffRuff said:
For all those calling Thunder the better "team", take a look at tonight's box score. There are two guys and only two guys filling the entire stat sheet for the Thunder, meanwhile the Heat are getting contributions from a variety of role players.

The storyline in this series is that the supporting cast for OKC has done nothing. It's been a two man one on one show.
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Well that goes to your previous comment: Harden has been a total dud after playing so well prior to this series. It's really a 3-man operation as far as scoring goes and if he's shooting 10% it really hurts.

Westbrook made two critical errors down the stretch. You can forgive the physical error of dribbling the ball of his foot, but not the Webber-like brain cramp. That was the nail in the coffin.

He's a true talent, and maybe it's my bias, but I'll keep Rondo.
 
I really really hope that this becomes a rivalry, which it can be if KD and LBJ keep consistently playing the way they have been. I almost hope this game goes to 7 games. I hope the Heat win, so KD can be the young, down fighter who will constantly challenge the newly crowned king for his throne. I could do a series like this every year for a long time, given the level of play seen.
 
Miami out toughed them again. They have simply been the tougher team and the smarter team.
 
traitor71 said:
Miami out toughed them again. They have simply been the tougher team and the smarter team.
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Agreed. Experience is prevailing. Hats off to Miami.

I just wish the officiating wasn't so poor. I don't know if the outcome would be different, but it seems pretty clear that even the announcers are struggling to keep from commenting on it too much.
 
The difference between the two teams is that Miami has the best player in basketball and the Thunder don't.

6'8", 250 pounds and 12 assists? Not fair.

That said, I don't think the Thunder are done here.
 
8893 said:
Agreed. Experience is prevailing. Hats off to Miami.

I just wish the officiating wasn't so poor. I don't know if the outcome would be different, but it seems pretty clear that even the announcers are struggling to keep from commenting on it too much.
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You seem to imply that poor officiating in the NBA is this new thing.
 
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babysheep said:
You seem to imply that poor officiating in the NBA is this new thing.
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I don't mean to. It just becomes more of a focus in a series, especially when it consistently seems to favor one team so much that the announcers can't help commenting on it.
 
Fishy said:
That said, I don't think the Thunder are done here.
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Oh, they're done. Whether it's Thursday, Sunday or Tuesday, they're done. Unless LeBron has an injury, there's no way this Miami team loses three in a row.
 
I dont think its over. OKC will have confidence with two in a row at home if they can win thursday. That said I dont think it happens.
 
amazing its taken people this long to appreciate it. he's been doing this since the end of his 2nd and all of his 3rd season.

i was at the game tonight and when Lebron went down, i just pictured jaynyce in his parents basement doing a fist pump with a big smile on his face
 
What pissed me off is that the OKC center Obaka(?) on the jump ball at the end let Battier slip around him for the tip to the Heat player who Westbrook fouled. Had he placed a body on him the Thunder get the ball. Obaka was watching the play and Battier was in the play. Small thing but big impact. Battier who I don't care for at all, does the little things well that keep him in the NBA. Good play on his part as much as I hate to say it, it was a game changer for sure.
 
Very frustrating game to watch rooting for the Thunder, mostly they were beaten and Miami outhustled and out-toughed them. Didn't help that the Thunder seemed to make individually dumb plays at particularly bad times. Inexperience is showing and Miami has definitely developed a new aura of tenancity built around that LeBron James won't be denied Game 6 performance against the Celtics.

Thunder have a small gripe that the Heat are getting the benefit of the doubt calls and they are not, but I think its because the Heat are the aggressor and playing with more confidence and the refs can't help but see this.

Look at the matchups and Heat are dominating 5/7
Ibaka v Bosh - Bosh
Perkins v Battier - BATTIER
LeBron v Durant - LeBron
Wade v Westbrook - Westbrook
Chalmers v Sefolosha - Chalmers (made this the matchup based on relative importance even though they don't ever cover each other)
Bench - DRAW Harden has been a negative, now scared to shoot!?
Spo v Brooks - Spo
 
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21Huskies said:
amazing its taken people this long to appreciate it. he's been doing this since the end of his 2nd and all of his 3rd season.

i was at the game tonight and when Lebron went down, i just pictured jaynyce in his parents basement doing a fist pump with a big smile on his face
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Yeah, he seems pathetic enough to cheer when a player he doesn't like gets hurt.
 
Despite people saying that OKC has a better "team," the supporting cast for the Heat have come up huge, while James Harden and crew have barely done anything in OKC's three losses.
 
babysheep said:
Despite people saying that OKC has a better "team," the supporting cast for the Heat have come up huge, while James Harden and crew have barely done anything in OKC's three losses.
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Its leadership. Even with their play, no one would trade Sefolosha for Battier or Ibaka for Battier or Haslem. All of Battier's shots are catch and shoot off of great ball movement and the Heat are playing with more composure which allows their role players to stick to their duties.

Also need to consider that prior to this series Bosh was injured and playing so-so whereas James Harden was lighting it up. Now Harden is shrinking and Bosh is making tons of hustle plays and key baskets.
 
Harden was guarding Lebron most of his time on the court. I think that had an impact on his offensive performance as well. It looked like he lost his confidence and was tired.
 
Kitaman said:
Harden was guarding Lebron most of his time on the court. I think that had an impact on his offensive performance as well. It looked like he lost his confidence and was tired.
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Great point, and score another one for LeBron. No question that guarding someone so much stronger than you wears one down physically and has a very detrimental effect on offensive end. Two biggest ways to hurt offensive performance via 'make him play defense' is run them into the ground especially through screens (see vintage Hamilton, RIP or Allen, Ray) or force them to constantly muscle you.

This is why Kendrick Perkins is so terrible offensively, he dedicates every game to muscling and pushing everything that moves;)

I'm really torn today, I think Oklahoma still has a puncher's chance if they can get back in front of their home crowd and I think the NBA REALLY wants this series to go 6-7 games. But what I've seen is Miami physically and mentally dominating OKC and their will to win is incredibly strong right now. I don't think they can be denied tonight by anything less than two Westbrook game 4 level performances from OKC stars AND a subpar performance from 2/3 Miami stars (and one of them will not be LeBron - he has made the final progression to Jedi Master).
 
Series is over, but I'm feeling OKC tonight.
 
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Come on Fishy that is way to simplistic of a way to view this series. Yes Lebron is better than Durant but not by much, Durant did his job this series nobody else did, the supporting cast for the Heatl blew the Thunder's supporting cast off the floor all series long.
 
Miami was just smarter, tougher, far tougher really, and just better than OKC. They could have player several more times and I believe Miami would have ground them down just about every time.
 
The silence from the LeBron Haters is defining tonight.

I hope these teams have a rematch next season.
 
Lebron is a way better defender than Durant way better passer way better driver. Its not that close. Durant is just a unbelievable pure scorer but LeBron is clearly better.
 
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