Arizona St (19) @ Oregon (3) - 2/09/20

[nwhoopfan]

Ducks finish 13-25 behind the arc.

 

[Mulder]

No triple doubles to make The Top Ten on Sport Center.

. . . don't you just hate it?

 

[Zanzman]

It’s not what I hate

 

[Mulder]

Ducks finish 13-25 behind the arc.

Arizona State was 4-13. That 27 points any way you look like it.

 

[Plebe]

Ducks finish 13-25 behind the arc.

Good luck beating them when they're shooting well.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Good luck beating them when they're shooting well.

They're tough enough to beat even if they aren't red hot. Handled UConn without the 3 ball working for them (well it did early, but they went really cold after that).

 

[Plebe]

They're tough enough to beat even if they aren't red hot. Handled UConn without the 3 ball working for them (well it did early, but they went really cold after that).

They didn't really need the 3s against UConn because they were totally having their way in the paint. Don't get me started on that.

 

[jonson]

Good. Rub it in. I don't think there's any love lost between ASU and anybody in the Pac.

Yes! I don't mean to offend anybody, but I also have a problem with the way Arizona State plays. It's beyond "physical" and when you add bad/inconsistent refs to the mix it's a wonder no one gets hurt. So a 31 point victory is especially satisfying, and all the more so since it was due as much to Moore (6 steals and countless other "disruptions"), Boley, and Shelley, as it was to Ionescu, Hebard, and Sabally. I'd also like to put a plug in for the Oregon defense, which--if Massey is accurate--has allowed the fewest points/game of any Pac 12 team during conference play (the best context for comparing this sort of thing imo). That's a big step forward for this team.

 

[Figurehead]

So do players have a hard time with platoon substitutions and getting in the flow of the game. Any other teams in the nation substitute players every two minutes like CTT does?

Not sure what that type of system accomplishes in the scheme of things? Comments of massive subbing anyone?

 

[Figurehead]

Yes! I don't mean to offend anybody, but I also have a problem with the way Arizona State plays. It's beyond "physical" and when you add bad/inconsistent refs to the mix it's a wonder no one gets hurt. So a 31 point victory is especially satisfying, and all the more so since it was due as much to Moore (6 steals and countless other "disruptions"), Boley, and Shelley, as it was to Ionescu, Hebard, and Sabally. I'd also like to put a plug in for the Oregon defense, which--if Massey is accurate--has allowed the fewest points/game of any Pac 12 team during conference play (the best context for comparing this sort of thing imo). That's a big step forward for this team.

No offense taken. I will say it for you. They play dirty!

 

[Mulder]

Attendance: 12,364 . . . SOLD OUT! ! !

 

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[TheFarmFan]

Graves at halftime: "That was an ugly first half and I know why, but I can't say or I'll get in trouble. They want a football game, so I've got to go back and make some line changes. I've gotta worry more about coaching my team and stop worrying about those 3 people with striped shirts."

This has started to become an epidemic in PAC-12 basketball this season, on both the men's and women's side. It's going to get ugly soon if the refs don't start tamping down on the physicality.

You know it's more than that. UConn fans don't like UCF because of the way they play the game. It's the same thing.

Hmm, TBH ASU has never bothered me as much as either Colorado or U$C in terms of excessively physical, quasi-dangerous style of play. And I actually think UCLA is also a more physical team than ASU. I just think ASU is really dogged on defense and the CTT hockey line substitutions mean there are always fresh bodies on the floor.

ETA: And no one on ASU holds a candle to Ogunobowale's totally flagrant muggings. I can't recall anyone on ASU pulling the moves AO pulled on CD last season.

 

[Plebe]

Or anybody else notable ever? A team that plays an annoying style is annoying regardless of if they are good or not.

But I think maybe ASU gets a pass with UConn fans because at least they don't use the infamous diaper look that apparently is such an outrage to all that is sane and holy

 

[Plebe]

Hmm, TBH ASU has never bothered me as much as either Colorado or U$C in terms of excessively physical, quasi-dangerous style of play. And I actually think UCLA is also a more physical team than ASU. I just think ASU is really dogged on defense and the CTT hockey line substitutions mean there are always fresh bodies on the floor.

ETA: And no one on ASU holds a candle to Ogunobowale's totally flagrant muggings. I can't recall anyone on ASU pulling the moves AO pulled on CD last season.

Finally the voice of reason and sanity. Thank you my dear friend.

A huge, huge difference between playing "tough" and "physical" and playing dirty.

 

[Figurehead]

Finally the voice of reason and sanity. Thank you my dear friend.

A huge, huge difference between playing "tough" and "physical" and playing dirty.

Read what Oregon State coach Scott Rueck said about both Arizona schools. Wow!

Oregon State coach Scott Rueck believes physical play is out of control after No. 12 Arizona edges No. 9 Beavers 65-58 in overtime

The Beavers lose to Arizona for the first time in 13 games, and fall to fifth place in the Pac-12 standings

www.oregonlive.com

“It’s hard to manage, for sure. It’s been extremely physical, which is a concern,” Rueck said. “It goes against everything we have been taught, trained to do. We’re supposed to prepare a team to play based off rules and videos that everybody is supposed to play by. That’s what I expect. If that doesn’t happen, what are we doing?”

Rueck went on to say he’s frustrated because the overly-physical play doesn’t allow for ease of movement in the offense, and the game is becoming impossible to coach.
embrace that,” senior guard Mikayla Pivec said.

 

[azfan]

Finally the voice of reason and sanity. Thank you my dear friend.

A huge, huge difference between playing "tough" and "physical" and playing dirty.

Massive beat down, hard to recall the last loss of this magnitude in conference play.

The Devils play hard physical defense but do have challenges scoring. After the Friday fiasco in Corvallis I worried about the possibility of a let down.

This nukes any chance of
hosting this year.

CTT will lose 4 key seniors and next year's starting line up will have no seniors with 4 freshman off the bench. Next year will be a LONG one for the Devils.

 

[Plebe]

Massive beat down, hard to recall the last loss of this magnitude in conference play.

The Devils play hard physical defense but do have challenges scoring. After the Friday fiasco in Corvallis I worried about the possibility of a let down.

This nukes any chance of
hosting this year.

CTT will lose 4 key seniors and next year's starting line up will have no seniors with 4 freshman off the bench. Next year will be a LONG one for the Devils.

Hosting is not completely off the table this year, but ASU would probably have to score a couple big wins vs. Stanford and/or in the Pac-12 tournament. Other teams have also been losing, and it's not like ASU's been losing to bad teams here.

 

[nwhoopfan]

But I think maybe ASU gets a pass with UConn fans because at least they don't use the infamous diaper look that apparently is such an outrage to all that is sane and holy

They probably have some UConn good will because Ekmark found a good landing spot there.

 

[nwhoopfan]

So do players have a hard time with platoon substitutions and getting in the flow of the game. Any other teams in the nation substitute players every two minutes like CTT does?

Not sure what that type of system accomplishes in the scheme of things? Comments of massive subbing anyone?

CTT has been doing it for a long time. I would think it's challenging for players and getting in a rhythm offensively, but it seems to work for them. Washington has kind of been trying it this year and obviously not getting the same kind of results. But you have to have 10 players who can produce and play D and compete on a Pac 12 level. UW clearly does not have 10 of those (I'm not going to say how many I think they do have).

 

[Plebe]

Yeah ASU didn't really drop much in the BY poll I'm filling out, because everyone else around them (except Maryland) was dropping games too, many to much worse teams than Oregon, OSU, and Arizona. Depending on how many upsets there are in other conferences, I do think ASU could sneak in with a win over Stanford + one of those other three in the tournament, and since ASU will likely end up as the 5 or 6 seed, they will have up to three possible chances to add to their resume in Las Vegas.

To follow that thread, ASU will likely be facing the 11 or 12 seed in the 1st round in Vegas, and assuming they get past that, they'll face the 3 or 4 seed in the quarterfinals. That's the game that, at a minimum, they'll have to win to improve their chance of hosting. Certainly doable for them -- the Pac-12 tournament in 2018 was where they started their run of 4 consecutive wins over Oregon State.

 

[azfan]

Hosting is not completely off the table this year, but ASU would probably have to score a couple big wins vs. Stanford and/or in the Pac-12 tournament. Other teams have also been losing, and it's not like ASU's been losing to bad teams here.

I think we would have to run the table in order to have a shot at hosting. That March 1 home game against Stanford is going to be a critical one. The Cards definitely looked beatable in their last start.

The UCLA game today showed how tough the Pac can be on any given game. I'm very interested to see how our four seniors react to this beat down.

These are four young ladies invested considerable time and passion in the game and the remainder of the season will be a test of character. Assuming we get by Washington and Washington State at home next weekend we will be in a position to evaluate whether we have the guns to run the table.

I appreciate the discussion on the style of play. While we can differ on the effectiveness of various defensive schemes I think it's important to be as objective and realistic as possible about the type of play.

As a long time season ticket holder watching the last many years the Devil's consistently play very hard and physical. ASU does not get the elite High School athlete. Sun Devils are consistently working with under sized overachieving players working to max out their potential. I have tremendous respect for these young ladies and what they accomplish in a very talented and deep conference.

Another poster indicated that other teams in the Pac-12 also play aggressive, hard, physical style defense. I don't consider any of these teams dirty.

There have been individual visiting players over the years who push the limits. I've consistently called out one recent player now playing in the WNBA. Her team was physical one not dirty. However this player did push the boundaries.

I've never seen a Sun Devil player engage in play like Arike Ogumbwale.

Never.

CTT does not tolerate that type of play.