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Arike Ogumbuwale on Dancing with the Stars

Zanzman said:
How about when Greg Anthony from unlv had his own t shirt business and they wanted him to shut it down or pay his own way
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Did that happen to Megan Walker with her "MKW / 50 Peice Meg" brand too? Haven't heard anything about it since she signed... ?

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Zanzman said:
How about when Greg Anthony from unlv had his own t shirt business and they wanted him to shut it down or pay his own way
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My understanding of the Greg Anthony T shirt business that he purposely took himself off scholarship to pursue the business and the NCAA made him shut it down any way. Greg Anthony's business enterprise was not an issue until it was mentioned during a nationally televised broadcast.
 
Anthony was trying sell shirts for winning a NCAA championship
 
Another nice little gift to ND allowing a waiver for a player this opportunity when other schools are questioned if their players make a flight to the all star game or talk to an NBA player. Sounds like the same favoritism of their transfer and homer refs.
 
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I can barely have respect for anything Lousiville (spelling? My phone didn't autocorrect but I'm still worried). The fans obviously have done nothing wrong, so I am not saying anything about the fans. The men's coach was obviously "#&#^@%@%^#&." Jeff Wala hasn't done anything to warrant that exact reputation, but he's still a piece.
 
Leaving aside my personal dislike for all things ND, I don't see how the NCAA can allow this? What if one of the show's producers is a ND alum? You can't buy a player a turkey sandwich, but you can get them a spot on your tv show where they can earn thousands of dollars? Maybe we can get Jalen Adams a spot on The Price is Right, or get Molly Bent on Jeopardy? The NCAA is so heavy handed in so many other areas, this decision is just a head scratcher for me and reeks of a double standard.
 
GiladKatzDeli said:
Leaving aside my personal dislike for all things ND, I don't see how the NCAA can allow this? What if one of the show's producers is a ND alum? You can't buy a player a turkey sandwich, but you can get them a spot on your tv show where they can earn thousands of dollars? Maybe we can get Jalen Adams a spot on The Price is Right, or get Molly Bent on Jeopardy? The NCAA is so heavy handed in so many other areas, this decision is just a head scratcher for me and reeks of a double standard.
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This is an interesting question. For an NCAA athlete to risk their eligibility, they have to receive compensation, beyond tuition, room and board for playing their sport. So cash from boosters, a new car, endorsement deals are expressly prohibited. Athletes are also not allowed to be compensated for coaching their sport.

I’m certain ND cleared Ogunbowle’s participation on DWTS beforehand. Don’t know if she’s being compensated beyond travel and related expenses, but even if she is, the NCAA does not restrict athletes from being paid for part time work, work study programs, summer jobs and/or internships.

Ogunbowle is not getting paid for basketball related activity and while we can argue whether or not dancing is a sport, in this instance I would argue that it is just a glorified summer job.

You might argue that the only reason Ogunbowle got this opportunity was because she was a star athlete, and I would agree. But frankly that’s no different than the numerous summer internships that star athletes around the country secure every year from alumni at investment firms, Fortune 500 companies, etc.
 
She wasn't too bad. I think she shows great footwork lol.
 
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oldude said:
This is an interesting question. For an NCAA athlete to risk their eligibility, they have to receive compensation, beyond tuition, room and board for playing their sport. So cash from boosters, a new car, endorsement deals are expressly prohibited. Athletes are also not allowed to be compensated for coaching their sport.

I’m certain ND cleared Ogunbowle’s participation on DWTS beforehand. Don’t know if she’s being compensated beyond travel and related expenses, but even if she is, the NCAA does not restrict athletes from being paid for part time work, work study programs, summer jobs and/or internships.

Ogunbowle is not getting paid for basketball related activity and while we can argue whether or not dancing is a sport, in this instance I would argue that it is just a glorified summer job.

You might argue that the only reason Ogunbowle got this opportunity was because she was a star athlete, and I would agree. But frankly that’s no different than the numerous summer internships that star athletes around the country secure every year from alumni at investment firms, Fortune 500 companies, etc.
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Except it does matter if you look at the NCAA's stance against the UCF kicker who was making money off his youtube channel....because he was an athlete.
 
the Q said:
Except it does matter if you look at the NCAA's stance against the UCF kicker who was making money off his youtube channel....because he was an athlete.
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I know this is a very narrow distinction, but there is a difference between Ogunbowle appearing on DWTS, and the UCF kicker. While Ogunbowle is clearly on DWTS because of her notoriety as a ND b-ball player, the show itself has nothing to do with ND b-ball.

The kicker at UCF was monetizing his experience as a “student-athlete” at UCF on YouTube. The school offered him the opportunity to continue doing so, and remain a member of the team, provided that he eliminate refererences to UCF football. He refused, and UCF, not the NCAA, removed him from the team.
 
oldude said:
I know this is a very narrow distinction, but there is a difference between Ogunbowle appearing on DWTS, and the UCF kicker. While Ogunbowle is clearly on DWTS because of her notoriety as a ND b-ball player, the show itself has nothing to do with ND b-ball.

The kicker at UCF was monetizing his experience as a “student-athlete” at UCF on YouTube. The school offered him the opportunity to continue doing so, and remain a member of the team, provided that he eliminate refererences to UCF football. He refused, and UCF, not the NCAA, removed him from the team.
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Because it was an NCAA violation. UCF did it as a preventative measure since the NCAA wouldn't allow it. Ogum is still using her status as an amateur athlete to reap benefits.

Also Jeremy Bloom was making money as an olympic level skiier. the NCAA made him give that up to play football. Skiing does not equal football. Like dancing does not equal basketball.

There is no way around it that ND is once again getting preferential treatment. Twice in less than a calendar year.
 
the Q said:
Because it was an NCAA violation. UCF did it as a preventative measure since the NCAA wouldn't allow it. Ogum is still using her status as an amateur athlete to reap benefits.

Also Jeremy Bloom was making money as an olympic level skiier. the NCAA made him give that up to play football. Skiing does not equal football. Like dancing does not equal basketball.

There is no way around it that ND is once again getting preferential treatment. Twice in less than a calendar year.
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Before anybody calls it an NCAA/ND "conspiracy" the proof will be in the pudding going forward regarding transfers and outside income........the bar has been set, let's see what happens the next time these issues come up
 
Charliebball said:
Before anybody calls it an NCAA/ND "conspiracy" the proof will be in the pudding going forward regarding transfers and outside income...the bar has been set, let's see what happens the next time these issues come up
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the bar was set well before these 2 issues.
 
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What I don't understand is the speed the decision was made. From the game winning shots to the offer from DWTS to permission. Must have been less than 48 hours? :confused:
 
the Q said:
Because it was an NCAA violation. UCF did it as a preventative measure since the NCAA wouldn't allow it. Ogum is still using her status as an amateur athlete to reap benefits.

Also Jeremy Bloom was making money as an olympic level skiier. the NCAA made him give that up to play football. Skiing does not equal football. Like dancing does not equal basketball.

There is no way around it that ND is once again getting preferential treatment. Twice in less than a calendar year.
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Again, there is a series of narrow distinctions. With regard to the UCF situation, I would make 2 points. UCF chose not to challenge the NCAA because 1. This was a backup kicker and 2. Completely aside from any possible NCAA violation, UCF, like any other college program, is probably not happy with, and may well have restrictions on team members, posting on social media. Certainly unedited videos on YouTube might well lead to potential unforeseen problems for the team and teammates who appear in those videos.

The Bloom situation bothers me every bit as much as it does you. While Bloom had to take the bullet by losing his remaining eligibility at CO, he ultimately prevailed and the NCAA changed their policy in 2006 to permit athletes to compete as amateurs in one sport while competing professionally in another.

Let’s assume dancing is a sport. If so, Ogunbowle is doing the same thing Bloom did a decade ago, which the NCAA has subsequently approved.
 
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For those that don't believe in the selective situational favoritism of the NCAA recall the Mo'ne Davis ruling.
Davis gained fame by participating in a sport completely unrelated to basketball.
Based on her fame Mo'ne was paid for appearing in the Chevy commercial without impacting her NCAA eligibility.
UCONN was deemed to have committed a secondary violation by calling to congratulate Mo'ne for something completely unrelated to basketball.
Arike earned her fame by playing college basketball and can be paid for appearing on DWTS without impacting her NCAA eligibility?
 
eebmg said:
What I don't understand is the speed the decision was made. From the game winning shots to the offer from DWTS to permission. Must have been less than 48 hours? :confused:
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You could say that the NCAA viewed it as a great PR opportunity for WBB and they were being proactive.............again let's see what happens the next time another opportunity comes up (not a guy printing t-shirts in his garage) for another player on another team........if the NCAA shoots it down then there would be reason to shout about it.....
 
CocoHusky said:
For those that don't believe in the selective situational favoritism of the NCAA recall the Mo'ne Davis ruling.
Davis gained fame by participating in a sport completely unrelated to basketball.
Based on her fame Mo'ne was paid for appearing in the Chevy commercial without impacting her NCAA eligibility.
UCONN was deemed to have committed a secondary violation by calling to congratulate Mo'ne for something completely unrelated to basketball.
Arike earned her fame by playing college basketball and can be paid for appearing on DWTS without impacting her NCAA eligibility?
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Well if she wins I hope Geno doesn't call her to congratulate her. :rolleyes:

If you watched her dance, I don't think this is gonna help ND recruiting at all. It may not even help her "brand". ;)
 
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HawkHusky said:
All I know is that if it was a UCONN player on DWTS, there would have been countless columns, ESPN segments, and WBB coaches speaking out about unfair advantages.
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I think with all the recent talk about the NCAA having to readdress school/player relationships (paying players etc.)..........these kind of borderline opportunities are going to be looked upon favorably by the press........if it was Victoria Vivians instead of Arike I don't think there would have been any complaints..........when it comes to UConn, Kia could rescue three children from a burning building and somebody would have complained that she didn't put out the flames too....
 
meyers7 said:
Well if she wins I hope Geno doesn't call her to congratulate her. :rolleyes:

If you watched her dance, I don't think this is gonna help ND recruiting at all. It may not even help her "brand". ;)
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the only way she's winning is if Ms Harding breaks a few more legs.........
 
Guys, there are many good reasons to suggest a double standard by the NCAA, particularly when it comes to ND, but in this instance I just don’t see it.

No doubt Ogunbowle got the opportunity to appear on DWTS as a result of her success on the b-ball court, but as I suggest in earlier posts, she’s either got a great summer job, or she’s competing in a 2nd sport as a professional, both of which are permissible under NCAA rules.

If a Husky had drained 2 shots to win the National semifinal & final, we would all be arguing about how Lou or another Husky had been robbed by the DWTS judges after her paso doble routine.
 
HawkHusky said:
All I know is that if it was a UCONN player on DWTS, there would have been countless columns, ESPN segments, and WBB coaches speaking out about unfair advantages.
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Gabby would have been a better choice for the show if you’re really interested in getting good dancers on the show. Ogunbowale made the show because of the hype of her buzzer beater game winning shots.
 
For the sake of argument, let’s ignore my suggestions that Ogunbowle’s appearance on DWTS is either a great summer job or competition as a professional in a 2nd sport, both of which are permissible under NCAA rules.

Let’s take the position that the DWTS gig is an impermissible benefit to an athlete under NCAA rules. Somebody please explain how it’s any different than Kia doing a photo shoot for Glamour Magazine during her junior year?
 
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