Are We Being Disingenuous?

[Calamitous]

I certainly agree with your premise that UConn adds sufficient value to the B1G.

Hey, if any of my fellow 'yarders need some inspiration regarding how an aspiring research university can gain entry into the B1G without the allusive AAU stamp of approval, then you need to check out the following book: Arrogance and Scheming in the Big Ten: Michigan State's Quest for Membership and Michigan's Powerful Opposition. Michigan State joined the B1G in 1949, but didn't attain AAU status until 1964. Michigan State's President, John Hannah, simply wouldn't take "no" for an answer. When the B1G told him to get lost, he kept appearing at the front stoop, ringin' that doorbell like an annoying next door neighbor. If you'd like to know how he built Michigan State into a research powerhouse, then this is the book you want to read: Michigan State College: John Hannah and the Creation of a World University, 1926-1969 (Vol. 2: MSU Sesquicentennial Series).

I knew there was a reason I respected Sparty (not a big fan, but respect them). Sounds like another school I know that had waited 50 years for a conference membership and had to force their way in.

 

[pnete]

UConn should not feel left out by ACC incompetence. We should celebrate. We do not need these guys,
Louisville is just one example of this stupidity. They took in a very poor academic school whose fan base extends to the city line. The rest of Kentucky loves Kentucky. They lost Maryland and New Jersey. Washington D.C and some of the New York market. They took in Notre Dame for basketball only - putting a burden on transportation on very other program
By taking in Rutgers and CT, the ACC would have kept MD and sowed up college basketball and football for the entire East Coast. Instead they took in two islands: one in the Mid-West surrounded by the Big Ten and one in a nowhere city more famous for horse crap than anything else and literally surrounded by a sea of Kentucky Blue. Since Boston College stinks in basketball and football and has a following that extends in a three block radius around the campus, they have no hold on the New England market. One invite(CT) from the Big Ten and the ACC loses the New York market forever. How is the ACC a benefit for UConn? The money is in Texas and NYC and Washington. The ACC didn't want any part of it.

 

[noeynox]

Dallas, Houston, Philly, Cincy, Orlando, Tampa, New Orleans,Memphis, Tulsa, CT(NY). Navy(national)

These are huge wealthy markets. AAC will soon dominate college sports. Watch and wait.

Aha! pnete is Mike Aresco!!!!

 

[TerryD]

UConn should not feel left out by ACC incompetence. We should celebrate. We do not need these guys,
Louisville is just one example of this stupidity. They took in a very poor academic school whose fan base extends to the city line. The rest of Kentucky loves Kentucky. They lost Maryland and New Jersey. Washington D.C and some of the New York market. They took in Notre Dame for basketball only - putting a burden on transportation on very other program
By taking in Rutgers and CT, the ACC would have kept MD and sowed up college basketball and football for the entire East Coast. Instead the took in two islands: one in the Mid-West surrounded by the Big Ten and one in a nowhere city more famous for horse crap than anything else and literally surrounded by a sea of Kentucky Blue. Since Boston College stinks in basketball and football and has a following that extends in a three block radius around the campus, they have no hold on the New England market. One invite(CT) from the Big Ten and the ACC loses the New York market forever. How is the ACC a benefit for UConn? The money is in Texas and NYC and Washington. The ACC didn't want any part of it.

Burden on transportation? It is no more a burden for say, Miami, to travel to BC or Syracuse or Louisville than to ND.

 

[Dooley]

Yeah pretty much delusional but amusing to read the revenge fantasies and crazy scenarios people come up with on here regardless. Louisville was the stronger athletic program overall at the time they were chosen over UCONN especially in football. Not having any friends in the ACC only made things worse for UCONN.

So you say it's "delusional" for UCONN fans to feel this way (trying to figure out how/what/why things happened the way they did) > and then say that they have no friends in the ACC??

Huh??

That's kindof the point of this thread; "why do none of our old Big East compatriots seem to want us in the ACC? Cuse, Pitt, Miami, BC, VaTech. It's not even apathy; it seems like they actively oppose us. How come? What did we do to piss them off? How did this deplorably situation arise?"

Do you know the answer?? Why do "they have no friends in the ACC"??

Here are a few things… Lawsuit, APR, Calhoun's many quotes about BC and the ACC, Calhoun's poor reputation with the NCAA, CT AG's quotes on BC, the ACC, and Swofford. No other school did that much damage to itself with so much arrogance. From the attitude of most on this thread I can see that the fan base attitude mirrors the UCONN administration during CR which can't help.

You're making no sense there Eagle. You first say that UCONN fans are delusional for thinking there are revenge scenarios at play in the ACC and that LCC was picked only because they were a stronger athletic program. In the same post, you say "not having any friends in the ACC only made things worse for UCONN". When questioned about your flip flopping, you answered with more flip flopping and named three things directly related to the lawsuit: "Lawsuit, Calhoun's many quotes about BC and the ACC, and CT AG's quotes on BC, the ACC and Swofford." So, again, if UCONN fans are delusional for thinking that there are revenge scenarios from the lawsuit at play in the ACC, can you please not give revenge scenarios in your answers?

1. Lawsuit: revenge scenario;
2. APR: not revenge scenario, but debunked with inviting horrendous academic LCC;
3. Calhoun's quotes: revenge scenario;
4. Calhoun's poor reputation with the NCAA: not revenge scenario, but how silly does this look now? Calhoun is gone, the NCAA's most exciting young coach is in his place (and a guy who EVERYONE seems to LOVE), and in the meantime, the LCC hired NCAA slime ball Bobby Petrino;
5. CT AG's quotes: revenge scenario

For the record, I have no idea why the ACC has passed on UCONN several times. It could be lawsuit/revenge related. It could be that little ol' Boston College carried significant enough weight to lobby against UCONN over the matter of New England turf. It could be ESPiN. It could be that LCC had a better football record than UCONN in the 2012-13 season (good thing this decision wasn't made in 2011!). It could be that the ACC was just dying to capture that robust Louisville DMA for their TV contract. It could be Tom Jurich calling in a few favors. It could be that the ACC knew that UCONN has its eyes set on a B1Gger conference. Nobody knows except for the members of the ACC responsible for making those decisions.

Of course, UCONN fans are going to mock a few of the ACC invite selections...especially LCC. Horrendous academics (something that your own Father Leahy said was SO important in expansion), second fiddle in their own smaller DMA, a Yum! Center bankruptcy battle, and Bobby Petrino. Good luck with all that. The ACC has successfully found a Boatz n' Hoez partner for the U (but would LCC be Barnz n' Hoez??) but with an even worse academic reputation than Miami. And while UCONN continues to sit in AAC purgatory, our "inferior" athletic department is stacking championship trophies, INCREASING its budget, and hitting coaching hire home runs.

 

[djct1999]

People can spin it any way they want, but the truth is Swofford and the ACC invited Louisville in pure panic. They essentially compromised every factor that should go into a decision like this and instead reacted on sheer impulse. Because of it, the ACC will always remain unstable and a weak P5 conference. In one short week, they didn't fill the void of Maryland's departure, they simply put a band aid over it. I suppose, because ESPN reported it, that its fact they were selected over UConn and that Jurich was aggressive while WM ate donuts in the Caribbean. Does that really make sense?

There are many reasons to believe, besides pure fantasy, that UConn, even back then had their eyes on the Big10 and perhaps weren't a real option in the first place. If the ACC was what UConn desired, the silence and alarming inaction by this school's administration and state politicians should be career ending. Couple that with specific and expensive moves/investment that only helps build a Big 10 profile, the path UConn decided to take is obvious to the objective observer. This will happen and as far-fetched this may seem to some people on here, I find any other result even more surprising. Competent and intelligent people with strong resumes have put UConn "all in" and a miss at this point will not only end their careers but could cripple the University. No one is that stupid.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Here are a few things… Lawsuit, APR, Calhoun's many quotes about BC and the ACC, Calhoun's poor reputation with the NCAA, CT AG's quotes on BC, the ACC, and Swofford. No other school did that much damage to itself with so much arrogance. From the attitude of most on this thread I can see that the fan base attitude mirrors the UCONN administration during CR which can't help.

You're a cutie.

We're probably more arrogant now given that we keep winning stuff and our various neighbors keep swallowing their own balls. And the problem with what everyone said about Boston College was that it was all true - you've conveniently forgotten that some of your new old conference mates also pointed out that Boston College's administration had a aversion to honesty.

In any event, we'll take the garbage out early with this particular troll.

I don't know if this guy's trollhood is legit or not, but this post isn't proof of it. He was answering my original post (albeit indirectly) candidly. He shouldn't be faulted for that. I admitted from the get-go that the topic could be painful. Self-examination often is. The purpose of my question was to gain insight. Why do our former partners, now in the ACC, hold us in such low esteem? Hell, even Muffet McGraw brought out the long knives over the winter. If anybody's earned his esteem badge, it's Auriemma.

Forget Pitt and Cuse being a place or two ahead of us in the CR line for a moment. They, at least, had some history. They looked fairly good (in a scraping the sides of the barrel near the bottom kind of way) when they donned their period costumes. Louisville, though, Louisville is totally inexplicable. Why would the ACC make a fifty year commitment based on the Cardinals' Teddy Bridgewater surge? Even a slug like Swofford, sliming his way through life's garden, should have been able to coax Florida State and Clemson down off that ledge. And if the answer doesn't lie in Louisville, it lies in us.

 

[pnete]

Burden on transportation? It is no more a burden for say, Miami, to travel to BC or Syracuse or Louisville than to ND.

When you are not getting Notre Dame football money it sure is. Remember that all sports must make trip to Notre Dame.

 

[pnete]

You're making no sense there Eagle. You first say that UCONN fans are delusional for thinking there are revenge scenarios at play in the ACC and that LCC was picked only because they were a stronger athletic program. In the same post, you say "not having any friends in the ACC only made things worse for UCONN". When questioned about your flip flopping, you answered with more flip flopping and named three things directly related to the lawsuit: "Lawsuit, Calhoun's many quotes about BC and the ACC, and CT AG's quotes on BC, the ACC and Swofford." So, again, if UCONN fans are delusional for thinking that there are revenge scenarios from the lawsuit at play in the ACC, can you please not give revenge scenarios in your answers?

1. Lawsuit: revenge scenario;
2. APR: not revenge scenario, but debunked with inviting horrendous academic LCC;
3. Calhoun's quotes: revenge scenario;
4. Calhoun's poor reputation with the NCAA: not revenge scenario, but how silly does this look now? Calhoun is gone, the NCAA's most exciting young coach is in his place (and a guy who EVERYONE seems to LOVE), and in the meantime, the LCC hired NCAA slime ball Bobby Petrino;
5. CT AG's quotes: revenge scenario

For the record, I have no idea why the ACC has passed on UCONN several times. It could be lawsuit/revenge related. It could be that little ol' Boston College carried significant enough weight to lobby against UCONN over the matter of New England turf. It could be ESPiN. It could be that LCC had a better football record than UCONN in the 2012-13 season (good thing this decision wasn't made in 2011!). It could be that the ACC was just dying to capture that robust Louisville DMA for their TV contract. It could be Tom Jurich calling in a few favors. It could be that the ACC knew that UCONN has its eyes set on a B1Gger conference. Nobody knows except for the members of the ACC responsible for making those decisions.

Of course, UCONN fans are going to mock a few of the ACC invite selections...especially LCC. Horrendous academics (something that your own Father Leahy said was SO important in expansion), second fiddle in their own smaller DMA, a Yum! Center bankruptcy battle, and Bobby Petrino. Good luck with all that. The ACC has successfully found a Boatz n' Hoez partner for the U (but would LCC be Barnz n' Hoez??) but with an even worse academic reputation than Miami. And while UCONN continues to sit in AAC purgatory, our "inferior" athletic department is stacking championship trophies, INCREASING its budget, and hitting coaching hire home runs.

I'm confused. Does LCC stand for Louisville Community College?

 

[RegisteredUconn]

I'm confused. Does LCC stand for Louisville Community College?

yes.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Bourbon?

My first thought was LSD,as I somehow survived the 60's
My second thought was HFD got his hands on LSD.

 

[Dooley]

I'm confused. Does LCC stand for Louisville Community College?

yes.

What he said.

 

[TerryD]

When you are not getting Notre Dame football money it sure is. Remember that all sports must make trip to Notre Dame.[/QUOT

When you are not getting Notre Dame football money it sure is. Remember that all sports must make trip to Notre Dame.

They got $1-2 million a year each extra because of ND joining plus five ACC football games a year.

It is no more difficult to travel to ND than to Louisville, Pitt or Syracuse.

I don't think that schools worry today all that much over travel costs.

 

[pnete]

I read an article that said they ''could" get a million from upturn in sales. As far a ND football games, what a total ripoff.
If Notre Dame is good, it hurts your chances to make the playoffs. Notre Dame is not nearly what is once was in football. Television ratings were off a lot in past years. For this small reward the ACC past on the opportunity to have a league that covers just about every state/city from Miami to Boston. Just how much money could the ACC
have gotten for the entire East Coast. And the interest that league would engender. Notre Dame's contribution is peanuts compared to what the ACC passed on.