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ABCDFE said:
In my opinion, I don't think Geno's methods are outdated. Can he be better, sure, but there are many other coaches out there that are even on the same level as him as a coach and motivator. I mean just listen to him speak. In reality, I think there have been a string of years of some very bad luck and maybe some missteps in recruiting (as Geno has admitted). Not having Azura for two playing years hurt and a decision here or there could've changed the landscape of the discussion.

For example, Pheesa played poorly against Miss. St. If she makes just one more free throw, we probably win the game. The games against ND, we probably got a lot of calls that perhaps could've changed the outcome of the game, and certainly not having a fully healthy KLS. There are numerous other things that I can go back to but in reality we were right there for another 1-2 championships. Of course a lot of "ifs, would've, couldve's".

I mean Tara V at Stanford didn't win a National Championship until last year and that took how many decades. Don't think she's changed her coaching methods. Muffet and ND went twenty years between championships. It's hard to be at the top for so long and Geno has been there and produced. It's just the last 6 years we haven't won the trophy.

I go to Football and maybe shouldn't but Nick Saban and Bill B have been amazing at what they do and for so long. Their methods and intelligence are time tested. We should really trust in Geno. I mean Geno has been recruiting hard and we're seeing great classes. Lets hope that we start hitting on some more players.

Sorry for long winded post.
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Stanford and Notre Dame hasn’t been getting #1 recruits… which I think is overrated (the rating/ranking system)
 
As far as Geno's coaching methods are concerned, you will recall last year he yanked Nika out of a game, and I don't know what he said to her, but she was practically in tears on the bench. Nika then went on to start the next 15 games and played very well. So, Geno's methods do work, at least with Nika.
 
After that episode on the bench with Nika, Geno actually put her back in the game. So you are right Skeets, his methods do work. We only know for sure what we see, so even though that exchange upset me at the time, it motivated Nika to become an important part of our team last year. Her mental toughness is what this team needs, and her return cannot be overstated.
 
DaddyChoc said:
Stanford and Notre Dame hasn’t been getting #1 recruits… which I think is overrated (the rating/ranking system)
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#1 recruits is not a factor that I consider all THAT much. Are they really the best of their class? For one thing, the ranking is made before a player even starts her senior season. To me, top 5 recruit status is what matters. That’s where the number 1 WNBA draft choice usually comes from.

Paige has proven herself worthy of number 1 status. Will Azzi? We didn’t get to see her play much in high school. She can shoot but there’s more to it than that. She appeared slow and hesitant before her injury ( though she may have already been injured). Jury is still out.

But, # 1 prospects should be very good even if they don’t prove to be the best of their class. Is Christyn really better than Charli Collier?. Is Haley Jones better than Boston?
 
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visitingcock said:
#1 recruits is not a factor that I consider all THAT much. Are they really the best of their class? For one thing, the ranking is made before a player even starts her senior season. To me, top 5 recruit status is what matters. That’s where the number 1 WNBA draft choice usually comes from.

Paige has proven herself worthy of number 1 status. Will Azzi? We didn’t get to see her play much in high school. She can shoot but there’s more to it than that. She appeared slow and hesitant before her injury ( though she may have already been injured). Jury is still out.

But, # 1 prospects should be very good even if they don’t prove to be the best of their class. Is Christyn really better than Charli Collier?. Is Haley Jones better than Boston?
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I definately don't think #1 recruits is a factor. After all, who's rankings would you base that off? there's so many different ranking with different people and they're definitely not always accurate. NaLyssa Smith was ranked 13th in her class and she's being put in the 'player of the year' conversations and Rhyne Howard was 32nd and she's projected to be the #1 pick in the draft this year.
 
IChoops said:
This is something I have thought about for quite a while now. One of the main things that Geno and former players have admitted is that his coaching strategies (being hard on players to get the best out of them) is one of the things that has made UCONN alum so successful when going pro. However over time, the way that players have been raised when they're younger is different, players are a lot 'softer' now and most people can't handle that kind of coaching method.

Simon Sinek did a great talk about it that you can find on YouTube if you search 'Simon Sinek millennials' (it's about 15-16 minutes long), now although that talk was about CEO's of companies not knowing how to treat young employees, I feel the message is very similar. The way that this generation has been raised is very different to previous generations, so throwing them into a completely new environment with a coach that is hard on them just is not going to work for most kids. Although Geno has proved himself to be one of best coaches to ever coach women's basketball, I can't help but feel like over time, the way that kids need to be coached has evolved but Geno's coaching style has not.
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He makes millions of dollars a year doing what he does... how much do you make? Let him worry about coaching and you keep hiding behind your screen name. I am sure you would not have the nerve to make a comment like this if people actually knew who you were.

Remember Geno has 11 titles... the most anyone else has in the women's game is 8... then 3...
Remember Geno has the 2nd most wins only behind Tara.
Remember there are over 300 teams who would kill to have season records like UCONN has.
 
CocoHusky said:
No... we were certainly not expecting the team to continue to run on all cylinders after Paige was hurt-that would be silly. Our expectation was that this team had enough remaining cylinders on which to run sufficient enough to beat GT. Those were not "severe expectations" they were very realistic of OUR team. Please stay in you own lane and mange your cylinders/expectations.
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Saki has been here at least a decade longer than you. He’s always welcome to offer an opinion as there’s a history of objective, considered thought behind every post.
 
IChoops said:
Again, I'm not complaining about nobody filling Paige's shoes, I'm saying this whole season they have looked like they have no motivation (even with Paige on the court) and that is a problem. Literally if you look at any player at any point in the games this year (other than Paige and Nika) they always look disinterested. Aaliyah looks like she doesn't want to be playing, Liv is taking shots for the sake of it and has no effort to recover when she inevitably misses and Christyn only shows any interest when she's putting up shots.
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Just how can you come up with your diagnosis of each players mind? This on looks like this, that one looks like that. If you have watched or played or coached, you would have seen even the greatest D 1 for eleven against ND, so no how great a player is, they will hit a slump, not for not caring buy just being human. We all have a right to our opinion but guessing what these kids are thinking is not.
 
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I think these posts about players not caring or being motivated are about as ridiculous as anything I've read here. Uncertainty can often have the effect or give the appearance of being unmotivated. This is still a young team overall and they are finding their way, now without their undisputed leader for the next couple of months. I have all the confidence in the world in Geno and staff, they will bring this team along. And it would not shock me if down the road, assuming that Paige comes back strong, we will look back at her injury as a blessing in disguise, if it forces the rest of the team to step up and own their roles. Paige could come back to a deeper team far more ready to complement her.
 
IChoops said:
This is something I have thought about for quite a while now. One of the main things that Geno and former players have admitted is that his coaching strategies (being hard on players to get the best out of them) is one of the things that has made UCONN alum so successful when going pro. However over time, the way that players have been raised when they're younger is different, players are a lot 'softer' now and most people can't handle that kind of coaching method.

Simon Sinek did a great talk about it that you can find on YouTube if you search 'Simon Sinek millennials' (it's about 15-16 minutes long), now although that talk was about CEO's of companies not knowing how to treat young employees, I feel the message is very similar. The way that this generation has been raised is very different to previous generations, so throwing them into a completely new environment with a coach that is hard on them just is not going to work for most kids. Although Geno has proved himself to be one of best coaches to ever coach women's basketball, I can't help but feel like over time, the way that kids need to be coached has evolved but Geno's coaching style has not.
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I really think some of the Uconn fans have "evolved". Win a national championship every year, never lose a game, win by 30 points, or the coach is doing a lousy job.
 
01Neaggrad02 said:
He makes millions of dollars a year doing what he does... how much do you make? Let him worry about coaching and you keep hiding behind your screen name. I am sure you would not have the nerve to make a comment like this if people actually knew who you were.

Remember Geno has 11 titles... the most anyone else has in the women's game is 8... then 3...
Remember Geno has the 2nd most wins only behind Tara.
Remember there are over 300 teams who would kill to have season records like UCONN has.
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To clarify...what does how much money I earn have to do with anything? Also as a 19 year old with her own business that is successful enough for me to have my own home as well as buy my mother a home and my sister a brand new car I'm pretty sure I'm doing just fine. And my screen name wouldn't be just a screen name however when I was making my account it said using real names wasn't allowed...hence me using the name I do. I would indeed 'have the nerve' to make a comment like this if people knew who I was, everything I post on here I post on my twitter (where people do in fact know who I am).
 
IChoops said:
This is something I have thought about for quite a while now. One of the main things that Geno and former players have admitted is that his coaching strategies (being hard on players to get the best out of them) is one of the things that has made UCONN alum so successful when going pro. However over time, the way that players have been raised when they're younger is different, players are a lot 'softer' now and most people can't handle that kind of coaching method.

Simon Sinek did a great talk about it that you can find on YouTube if you search 'Simon Sinek millennials' (it's about 15-16 minutes long), now although that talk was about CEO's of companies not knowing how to treat young employees, I feel the message is very similar. The way that this generation has been raised is very different to previous generations, so throwing them into a completely new environment with a coach that is hard on them just is not going to work for most kids. Although Geno has proved himself to be one of best coaches to ever coach women's basketball, I can't help but feel like over time, the way that kids need to be coached has evolved but Geno's coaching style has not.
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Of course some of his procedures and methods are, to some, Old School. Most coaching methods are good generation to generation. Motivation techniques change more so in today;s world. The truth is youth today and for the time since WW2 have change drastically. Kids went from kids being expected to do physical labor to it being all but illegal. When you work for pay at an early age you learn to follow directions.
I think Geno has talked about this issue of repeating. Attention span.
The kids today are more talented. more schooling, get higher praise in HS and AAU. They are physically larger, in general. All of which should make terrific teams.
Geno has changed. His acceptance level has risen. No transfers, no freshmen starting, No playing U Tenn, Kids like Stewie and Paige, others, have loosened him up. He still hates to lose.
 
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Here's a different twist...
I don't think he looks well
He appears (very subjective) to be uninvolved even passive at times.
At the presser, his expression doesn't change much...sort of grim.

I'm far from being a Dr. and even if I was, would have to have examined him closely before diagnosis.
But this isn't the Geno of past seasons.
physical, emotional, psychological?
Me being completely off-track?

No idea.
 
msf22b said:
Here's a different twist...
I don't think he looks well
He appears (very subjective) to be uninvolved even passive at times.
At the presser, his expression doesn't change much...sort of grim.

I'm far from being a Dr. and even if I was, would have to have examined him closely before diagnosis.
But this isn't the Geno of past seasons.
physical, emotional, psychological?
Me being completely off-track?

No idea.
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I thought the same watching the game and the presser.
 
You folks realize that UConn could lose it's next 37 games and Geno would still have the highest winning percentage in WCBB DI history, right?
 
Ball n said:
Yes but what has he done for ME today??
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Anyone that has been involved in Geno’s line of work know that you are only as good as your last game, no matter your career record or accomplishments. To me the best way I’ve heard it expressed is the quote that I have kept posted above my desk for many, many moons.
”Success is never owned, only rented, and the rent is due every day”
 
Twolf said:
Anyone that has been involved in Geno’s line of work know that you are only as good as your last game, no matter your career record or accomplishments. To me the best way I’ve heard it expressed is the quote that I have kept posted above my desk for many, many moons.
”Success is never owned, only rented, and the rent is due every day”
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What have YOU done for ME today?? Nice quote.
 
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Twolf said:
Anyone that has been involved in Geno’s line of work know that you are only as good as your last game, no matter your career record or accomplishments. To me the best way I’ve heard it expressed is the quote that I have kept posted above my desk for many, many moons.
”Success is never owned, only rented, and the rent is due every day”
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So, no credit for the 1120+ wins? By that way of thinking, he should have been fired the day UConn's 111 game winning streak was broken.
 
IChoops said:
To clarify...what does how much money I earn have to do with anything? Also as a 19 year old with her own business that is successful enough for me to have my own home as well as buy my mother a home and my sister a brand new car I'm pretty sure I'm doing just fine. And my screen name wouldn't be just a screen name however when I was making my account it said using real names wasn't allowed...hence me using the name I do. I would indeed 'have the nerve' to make a comment like this if people knew who I was, everything I post on here I post on my twitter (where people do in fact know who I am).
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Give me a heads up when I'm supposed to be thoroughly impressed.
 
JonathanXIV said:
So, no credit for the 1120+ wins? By that way of thinking, he should have been fired the day UConn's 111 game winning streak was broken.
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Geno holds a unique position in sport. He, along with Pat Summitt put Women's basketball at a level that in some Colleges competed will with men. Geno, was at the right place at the right time, with a personality that created the top winning team in that sport. What Geno did at Uconn could have been done by another Woman or man
 
Why are UConn fans sniping at each other lately? I wish it would stop
 
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