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AP Poll - Week 15

Even with the loss to Creighton, I should think you can't put Creighton ahead of UConn. After all, UConn beat Creighton handily a few weeks ago. But more than that: Creighton only has 2 wins over the top 25, more losses than UConn, and some bad OOC losses as well. UConn has wins over #1 Alabama, #10 Marquette and Creighton as well, in addition to Iowa State.

I couldn't justify ranking Creighton ahead of UConn even with recency bias worked in.
 
upstater said:
Even with the loss to Creighton, I should think you can't put Creighton ahead of UConn. After all, UConn beat Creighton handily a few weeks ago. But more than that: Creighton only has 2 wins over the top 25, more losses than UConn, and some bad OOC losses as well. UConn has wins over #1 Alabama, #10 Marquette and Creighton as well, in addition to Iowa State.

I couldn't justify ranking Creighton ahead of UConn even with recency bias worked in.
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Unfortunately recency bias is what the rankings are all about
 
WEEK 15 VOTES: All over the place. You would think things would tighten up at this point in the season.

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Friarsnoop said:
To put this another way, 55% of the combined Big 12 and Big East teams are ranked, while 16% of the other power conference teams are ranked.
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Top of the Big East is fantastic this year. Even the middle ain't bad. Bottom 3 are oof. Gtown especially is killing our conference SOS right now.
 
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husky429 said:
Top of the Big East is fantastic this year. Even the middle ain't bad. Bottom 3 are oof. Gtown especially is killing our conference SOS right now.
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This is another really important factor this isn't discussed as much. Here is the average Kenpom ranking of the Top 5 Big East teams since we rejoined:

2021 - 36 (5, 5, 7, 12 seeds in NCAA tournament)
2022 - 33 (2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 9 seeds in NCAA tournament)
2023 - 17 (3, 4, 4, 6, 8 seeds in NCAA tournament)

That is a MAJOR difference of overall team quality at the top half of the conference.
 
I'm not sure there has ever been a a team that has helped their conference as much as we have so far this season. You couldn't ask for a better OOC then we had, while the rest of the conference was mediocre. If I remember correctly, we were about the only ranked team around the start of conference play.

Since then we have doled out Q1 to every team that needed one to climb the rankings. We've managed enough good wins to keep our RPI high enough that beating us still has a major impact. The Big East is now looking like a big beast.

So that's nice and all, but be can we now please stop helping our conference foes and start kicking the poop out of them?
 
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UCLJ0211 said:
If you want to feel better, take a look at the NET rankings and realize we beat the #2, 14, 15, 16, 29, 50 and 53 ranked teams.
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It's true, but the counter point is that only one of those impressive wins has happened in 2023.

Think we've seen this team's ceiling, and I hope we've seen its floor as well. Hopefully we're trending back towards the former now
 
PAHusky said:
It's true, but the counter point is that only one of those impressive wins has happened in 2023.

Think we've seen this team's ceiling, and I hope we've seen its floor as well. Hopefully we're trending back towards the former now
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The Creighton and Marquette wins were both in 2023
 
HuskyHawk said:
I still don't know how Houston tops the NET rankings with 5 Q1 wins. They've only played 6 Q1 games. Kansas has played 16.
UConn is 8th in the NET.

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hooston is the only team in the land undefeated on the road. 8-0
on the udder hand, we have, at 4-5, one of the worst road records for the top 25 ranked teams. and, at 7-6, we also have a not so special q1 record.
a very, very big deal.

pro tip- don't start the hooston thing. it never works out the way some here think it should.

'In 2017–18, the Cougars compiled a 27–8 overall record, reaching the finals of the AAC tournament and winning a game in the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1984.
In 2018–19, the Cougars' success continued as they set a program record for wins with a 33–4 mark. They were AAC regular-season champions but fell in the finals of the conference tournament. They proceeded to the NCAA tournament, where they reached the Sweet Sixteen for the first time in 35 years.
In 2020–21, the Cougars were ranked as high as No. 5 in the nation. After winning the AAC Tournament, the Cougars were awarded a #2 seed in the NCAA Tournament. UH defeated Cleveland State, Rutgers, Syracuse and Oregon State to achieve their first Final Four appearance since 1984.[28] They would lose to eventual national champions Baylor in the Final Four.[29]
During the 2021–22 season, the Cougars won the AAC regular season championship with a 15–3 conference record. They then defeated Cincinnati, Tulane and Memphis to win the conference tournament. With the conference championship, an overall record of 29–5 and ranked No. 15 in the nation, Houston received a #5 seed in the NCAA tournament. In the tournament, UH defeated UAB, Illinois and Arizona before losing to Villanova in the Elite Eight. Going into the 2022–2023 season, UH has a 108–53 regular season conference record along with having won or shared the AAC regular season title in three of the last four seasons, and have finished no worse than third since the 2014–15 season.' wiki.
joshy's team.
 
im pretty sure that some of this data doo doo and the ones with voting, is that those voters look at our absolute talent, and think 'how can they not be?'

idk. ask danny.
 
PAHusky said:
It's true, but the counter point is that only one of those impressive wins has happened in 2023.

Think we've seen this team's ceiling, and I hope we've seen its floor as well. Hopefully we're trending back towards the former now
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This is every year though. Almost all your OOC wins are in the 1st half of the season.

When it comes to conference games, you just don't know what you have since style of play, home games, style of reffing, mean so much more than they do in the 1st half.

I would not necessarily say that the conference play is determinative, and that the 1st half means very little.

Granted, teams build; but it all means something.
 
upstater said:
This is every year though. Almost all your OOC wins are in the 1st half of the season.

When it comes to conference games, you just don't know what you have since style of play, home games, style of reffing, mean so much more than they do in the 1st half.

I would not necessarily say that the conference play is determinative, and that the 1st half means very little.

Granted, teams build; but it all means something.
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We had plenty of chances for impressive wins in league play as well - we just lost all of those games save one.

I do agree that it's tougher to win BE games w/ familiarity and brand of play involved, but it's pretty obvious we haven't played our best basketball in 2+ months.

Hopefully we're back on the upswing and this is more of a tourney team than a regular season team.
 
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